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Which Nation Will Be The 4th To Join the Elite Club of Spacefaring Nations?

Which Nation Will Be The 4th To Join the Elite Club of Spacefaring Nations?


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Expect delay in Indian program by atleast an year... due to COVID... I see almost all launches planned earlier are being pushed from 8-12 months...

but this is not a space race... if thr was any it was won by Soviets in 1961... if we see by the parameters not much progress was done by how much more an astronaut can do...

I say we all humans should rejoice as more and more nations and corporates take the space road...
 

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After analysing the future winner of this manned space race for the 4th place through various filters:

• 1. Green Light And Historical Milestones As Prerequisites For A Manned Suborbital Flight V1.0
• 2. Space Sci-fi movie development as rule of thumb (censored, please google for mirror)
• 3. Rare Earth Reserve among the future manned space powers (censored, please google for mirror)
• 4. Natural balanced rock wonders among the future manned space powers
• 5. Mega-buildings among the future manned space powers
• 6. Artistic representation of space shuttles among the future manned space powers V1.0.
• 7. State Leader's Body Weight And World Ranking

Today, we will use a 8th artistic filter to confirm our previous conclusions:

8. Artistic Representation of Space Stations Among The Future Manned Space Powers

Iranian Artistic Representation of A Space Station

The video "Iran Space Agency, The future is closer than you think آينده از ديد سازمان فضايي ايران" uploaded on youtube back on 16th March 2019 reveals the scope of Iran's space ambition.

It is made of about 9-11 modules, including a resupply cargo ship and a 3-seaters manned spacecraft.

Notice two docking ports are left for additional modules: such as a second manned spacecraft.

6 pairs of solar panel arrays are attached on three different modules. One robotic arm is controlled by an astronaut operator during the docking procedure.

The core module is similar to the Soviet-Chinese one. The size is therefore more than the Salyut-class Station as depicted by North Korea, an closer to the 120 tons Mir-class Station.

The video follows the launch of an automated cargo spacecraft to resupply the Iranian Space Station (ISS) by a future two stages reusable heavy launcher (estimated ~19'000 kg LEO), and its docking.

A total crew of three astronauts, possibly four can be seen, including one female spacewalker.

Iran Space Agency, The future is closer than you think آينده از ديد سازمان فضايي ايران
March 17, 2019 (Persian calendar 1397/12/26)
1,142 views•Mar 16, 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uLoQT4d0Rg



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1. Future Iranian Space Station as depicted in 2019 TV show. Mar 16, 2019


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2. Future Iranian Space Station as depicted in 2019 TV show. Mar 16, 2019

North Korean Artistic Representation of Space Stations

The North Korean space agency NADA's plans are inofficial, only hint disclosed in 2018.


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3. National Youth Science Fiction Literature and Model Exhibition 2018: published on 2 June 2018, a depiction of a North Korean orbital manned spacecraft, powered by two pair of solar panels, linked to a cylindrical module that shows 3 portholes.

Itself a reiteration of the old Salyut-class space station represented in 1989.


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4. North Korean Space Shuttle model in the Mangyongdae Schoolchildren’s Palace that was opened in 1989. Notice the space station in the upper right corner.

Indian Artistic Representation of Space Stations


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5. PPT representation of a 6-modules Indian Space Station (ISS). 2020


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6. 3d scale model representation of a 4-modules Indian Space Station (ISS). 2020

Burmese Artistic Representation of A Space Station

Presented as the first space adventure in Myanmar film history, Ananda : Rise of Notra was released on 4th July 2019 (Myanmar).

With possibly the first ever known CGI of a Burmese space station (BSS).


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7. Possibly the first ever known CGI of a Burmese space station (BSS). 2019

Artistic Rating

Iran's video shows the most realistic rendering of a large size space station.

North Korea's 3D model is an accurate copy of the Salyut-class space station.

India's renderings of a space station are of a PPT and exhibition level.

Burma's video is very far from an actual space station.


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Ah! Interesting how a US spacecraft is now the generic icon of Space progress. :tup:


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Soon to be this Flash Gordon craft I guess.
Is that only me or is this troll going to continue unchecked, posting in this thread solely dedicated to the future 4th manned spacefaring nation?

Well maybe he sincerely means that the U.S. is working very hard to end up at the world's 4th place among the manned space powers in the coming decade, by 2030, who knows? All fingers crossed!🤞
:lol::rofl::omghaha:





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Is that only me or is this troll going to continue unchecked, posting in this thread solely dedicated to the future 4th manned spacefaring nation?
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My name is in the North Korea list. How am I trolling you guys? You upset because I don't think Iran can be beat you into space or something?
 
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After analysing the future winner of this manned space race for the 4th place through various filters:

• 1. Green Light And Historical Milestones As Prerequisites For A Manned Suborbital Flight V1.0
• 2. Space Sci-fi movie development as rule of thumb (censored, please google for mirror)
• 3. Rare Earth Reserve among the future manned space powers (censored, please google for mirror)
• 4. Natural balanced rock wonders among the future manned space powers
• 5. Mega-buildings among the future manned space powers
• 6. Artistic representation of space shuttles among the future manned space powers V1.0.
• 7. State Leader's Body Weight And World Ranking
• 8. Artistic Representation of Space Stations Among The Future Manned Space Powers

Today, we will use a 9th artistic filter to confirm our previous conclusions:

9. Artistic Representation of The Man On the Moon Among The Future Manned Space Powers

North Korean Artistic Representation of The Man On the Moon


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1. Screen capture from video, at T=40:54 North Korean Lunar base hit by meteor shower; Video published on Jan 1, 2018


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2. Ten North Korean astronauts combining beams of laser to thwart a meteor shower as depicted in a New Year 2018 show.


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3. At T=40:54 North Korean Lunar base hit by meteor shower; At T=41:33 Combined laser beams used to protect the North Korean Lunar base from meteor shower, in a New Year 2018 show. Video published on Jan 1, 2018

Indian Artistic Representation of The Man On the Moon


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1. Tik Tik Tik, released on 22nd June 2018, is presented as the first Indian space film.


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2. Tik Tik Tik, released on 22nd June 2018, is presented as the first Indian space film.


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3. Tik Tik Tik, released on 22nd June 2018, is presented as the first Indian space film.


French Artistic Representation of The Man On the Moon


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1. Chanel N°5: Dancing on the Moon (2020)

N°5. BEHIND THE SCENES. THE FILM.
65,757 views•Nov 15, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGwt7llWUCA


Artistic Rating

✔ North Korea's depiction shows at least some realistic considerations such as meteor strike counter lasers!

India's movie is far from being realistic with a space shuttle landing on the Moon...

France's video shows no real conviction and not even bothering with the need of some sort of space suits!





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And again the space shuttle is not representing a real spacecraft, it is only the universal practice, that includes China, North Korea, India, Turkey and Myanmar, to announce the existence of an indigenous manned space program!
Ah! Interesting how a US spacecraft is now the generic icon of Space progress. :tup:

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Soon to be this Flash Gordon craft I guess.
iran launches propaganda style dreams of a manned space program, while denying that it is to support a long range ICBM weapon program? bs.
Manned Spaceflight In The 21th Century

Abstract

North Korea, Iran and all the other minor regions are absolutely essential in doing their share of manned space effort, as ordered by the Secret Master of the World.

Introduction

Since its takeover of the World after its military coup with the aid of captured WWII Nipponese mind-control weapons, sometime after 1945, the Secret Master of the World can no longer sleep well at night.

This should not come as no surprise, as history don't lie and in essence teaches us that every putschist usurpers could sooner or later end up overthrown.

Julius Caesar's pathetic and miserable fall was already set right after he crossed the Rubicon river.

And the awareness of this has caused constant nightmare for the U.S. Junta's leader since 1946.

To delay the fulfillment of the most dreaded prophecy, the Secret Master of the World has spared no effort in killing preventively billions of humans over 80 years of reign of terror, by playing the divide, pitching one ethnic or religious or social group against another, engineering countless of wars, catastrophes and pandemics, and especially slaughtering preventively the most feared children of the noblest families, like his forefather Herod I, the Tyrant of Judea, 2000 years earlier.

But with time, not only the real threat but paranoia increases as well.

In a last ditch attempt to escape this just punishment, the Secret Master of the World has finally decided to get rid of all of humankind.


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1. Caligula (1979): You're an honest man, Proculus, which means of bad Roman. Therefore you're a traitor. - Caligula

The Brave New World

Basically, to continue to rule over a semblance of an Empire, the idea is to create a totally new World, counterpart of the Old World.

The American continent has surpassed the Eurasian one, 500 years after the start of its colonization by the European powers.

This time, space is the new World. The solar system, where humans can never expand due to the Earth's Radiation Belts, deep space radiations and lack of gravity mostly.


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2. Impossible to even escape the deadly zones as they form a closed loop!

A new world populated only by artificial synthetic and robotic subjects.


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3. The real colonizer of the Moon, Mars and beyond!

Videomancy Hint: human spaceflight as the new hoax!


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4. Videomancy: The most intelligent inhabitants of that future world won't be men or monkeys. They'll be machines. Kong: Skull Island (2017)

The question is how many subjects are needed to maintain a minimum of administrative, military, economic, industrial and scientific production in order to not collapse and not be overthrown by the Old World (i.e. the humankind).

In the hypothesis of a demographic threshold (DT) of about 250 millions subjects, that is the demographic level of the U.S. in 1989, when the nation was about to become the only hyperpower 2 years later, thus able to defeat all the other powers, the question is it is feasible?

How long would it take to populate the solar system with 250 millions artificial synthetic and robotic subjects, and how many flights?


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5. Roadmap of China's manned space launcher 2017-2045. By 2045 fully reusable up to 100 times, 99.5% reliable, 12 hours between each flight, vertical take off, horizontal landing.

In the best scenario, as presented in the roadmap of China's manned space launcher 2017-2045, we could expect fully reusable up to 100 times, 99.5% reliable, 12 hours between each flight, vertical take off, horizontal landing space transportation systems.

The doomsday clock for human extinction

With 100 cybernetic passengers per rocket flights, 2 flights a day, 100 total flights per rocket before being discarded, and a fleet of 50 Chinese rockets (as in 2021), that is 50 expendable rockets all to be replaced by reusable ones in the future by 2030:

Per rocket: 100 flights/50 days => 10'000 passengers/50 days
Per fleet of 50 rockets: 500'000 passenger / years

This means a superpower like China by converting all its industrial capacity to produce 50 reusable VTVL rockets would need 500 years to transfer the hypothesized demographic threshold (DT) of about 250 millions subjects, and only to LEO!

And this is only the first and shortest trip. More fleet would be required to shuttle the robotic colonizers from the LEO Space Station to the Lunar Orbit's Station, then a third dedicated fleet would ferry the passengers to the lunar surface. The colonization of Mars would even increase this number!

In 100 years, only 50 millions passengers could be sent to LEO, or equivalent of the U.S. demography in the year 1852!

Now we see clearly why all the industrial capacity of the world is required in this Grand Feverish Plan of the Secret Master.

This can be declined as following:

• China: 50 rockets a year
• US (NASA): 50 rockets a year
• India (ISRO): 50 rockets a year
• EU (ESA): <50 rockets a year
• Russia (Roscosmos): <50 rockets a year
• Japan (JAXA): <50 rockets a year
• Iran (ISA): <50 rockets a year ?
• Korea (NADA): <50 rockets a year ?
• Turkey (TUA): <50 rockets a year ?
• Myanmar (MSA): <50 rockets a year ?

By increasing the space traffic to 500 rockets each year, all nations included, it would still require 50 years to send the DT 255 millions passengers to LEO!

But we can't produce that amount of rockets due to the weakness of the lesser powers.

Finally to reach the lunar orbit station an then the lunar surface, the fleet needs to be more than 3 times larger!

Cargo fleet that would carry the construction elements and machinery needed to build the first generation ground facilities on the Moon, and refuellers for the rockets, would even increase this number.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Starlink Orbital Directed Energy Weapon System made of 42'000 platforms when completed would need continuous launches for the upkeep, thus the bacteria-type proliferation of "private" launch companies we are witnessing lately.

Ground Space Center--> Earth GEO Space Station
Rocket Starship-class VTVL
Rocket turnaround time2 launches a day
Payload to GTO 21 tons
Passengers 100 cybernetic robots
Earth GEO Space Station --> Mars GEO Space Station
Rocket Starship-class
Travel duration 80-150 days (average 115 days)
Mars GEO Space Station --> Mars Space Center
Rocket Starship-class VTVL
Rocket turnaround timetwo departures a day
Passengers 100 cybernetic robots
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Number of Space Agencies More than 10: China, N.A.S.A., ISRO, E.S.A., Roscosmos, JAXA, NADA, Iran Space Agency, TUA, Myanmar Space Agency, etc.
Rocket numbers
Rocket total by space agency each year50 Starship-class VTVL
World's total rockets each year500 Starship-class VTVL
Total rocket launches
Total launches by space agencies each year5'000 launches
World's total launches each year50'000 launches
Cybernetic robot colonizers
Cybernetic robot colonizers launched each day13'398 robots a day
Cybernetic robot colonizers launched each year5'000'000 robots a year
Cybernetic robot colonizers launched each century500'000'000 Cybernetic robot colonizers per century

We see here why Iran and all the other minor regions are absolutely essential and so important in this grand scheme!

Expect the doomsday clock for human extinction set to 2080 AD.

Vehicle Design

The role of the new reusable Vertical takeoff vertical landing (VTVL) rocket systems is the one of a follow on to the 1960's Boeing 707-120 Jet airliners that were used to ferry millions of subjects from one continent to the other in carrying out one's colonial duties.


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6. Videomancy: 1960's Boeing 707-120 Jet airliners that were used to ferry millions of subjects in carrying out one's colonial duties. Pan Am (2011-2012)

To ferry passengers to the moon, 3 different rockets are required for each steps: to the GEO station, from GEO station to the lunar orbit station and finally from lunar orbit station to the lunar base.


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7. The new manned launcher associated with the 7 seaters Yuanzhou spacecraft, in the CSS orbit configuration made of one first stage core booster, and in the beyond CSS orbit configuration, made of 3 first stages core boosters powered each by 7 Kerolox YF-100K engines.


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8. China's third new manned space launcher, made of 5 core boosters, each powered by 4 engines. Core booster diameter is 3.8 meter.

Safir-6 is is the sixth generation space launchers of Iran. It's main goal is to allow continuous launches to the Iranian Space Station (ISS) in LEO, to ferry continuously heavy payloads to the Lunar orbit, and to land them to the surface. To make space traffic feasible it will have to be Vertical takeoff, vertical landing (VTVL) capable and fully reusable up to 100 times, 99.5% reliable, with 12 hours between each flights. Payload should be around 20 tons LEO powered by a cluster of 9 kerolox main engines in the first stage.

The video "Iran Space Agency, The future is closer than you think آينده از ديد سازمان فضايي ايران" uploaded on youtube back on 16th March 2019 reveals the scope of Iran's space ambition.

The video follows the launch of an automated cargo spacecraft to resupply the Iranian Space Station (ISS) by a future two stages reusable heavy launcher (estimated ~19'000 kg LEO), and its docking.

A total crew of three astronauts, possibly four can be seen, including one female spacewalker.

Iran Space Agency, The future is closer than you think آينده از ديد سازمان فضايي ايران
March 17, 2019 (Persian calendar 1397/12/26)
1,142 views•Mar 16, 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uLoQT4d0Rg


The first stage is powered by seemingly 9 engines. Kerolox is the most likely. Trust per engine could be about 85 ton-force.

The first stage deploys four grid fins after separation to return to the ground.



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9. Seemingly 9 engines in the first stage.


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10. Second stage with smaller diameter.


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11. Liftoff.


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12. Liftoff.


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13. Stage separation.


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14. Stage separation and 4 grid fins deployment.


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15. Cargo vessel docking to the Iranian Space Station (ISS).

Other Space Agencies


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16. The Euro-Japanese Callisto VTVL reusable demonstrator, and VTVL reusable Ariane Next


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17. The Callisto VTVL reusable demonstrator co-developed by CNES, DLR and JAXA.



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Manned Spaceflight In The 21th Century

Abstract

North Korea, Iran and all the other minor regions are absolutely essential in doing their share of manned space effort, as ordered by the Secret Master of the World.

Introduction

Since its takeover of the World after its military coup with the aid of captured WWII Nipponese mind-control weapons, sometime after 1945, the Secret Master of the World can no longer sleep well at night.

This should not come as no surprise, as history don't lie and in essence teaches us that every putschist usurpers could sooner or later end up overthrown.

Julius Caesar's pathetic and miserable fall was already set right after he crossed the Rubicon river.

And the awareness of this has caused constant nightmare for the U.S. Junta's leader since 1946.

To delay the fulfillment of the most dreaded prophecy, the Secret Master of the World has spared no effort in killing preventively billions of humans over 80 years of reign of terror, by playing the divide, pitching one ethnic or religious or social group against another, engineering countless of wars, catastrophes and pandemics, and especially slaughtering preventively the most feared children of the noblest families, like his forefather Herod I, the Tyrant of Judea, 2000 years earlier.

But with time, not only the real threat but paranoia increases as well.

In a last ditch attempt to escape this just punishment, the Secret Master of the World has finally decided to get rid of all of humankind.


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1. Caligula (1979): You're an honest man, Proculus, which means of bad Roman. Therefore you're a traitor. - Caligula

The Brave New World

Basically, to continue to rule over a semblance of an Empire, the idea is to create a totally new World, counterpart of the Old World.

The American continent has surpassed the Eurasian one, 500 years after the start of its colonization by the European powers.

This time, space is the new World. The solar system, where humans can never expand due to the Earth's Radiation Belts, deep space radiations and lack of gravity mostly.


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2. Impossible to even escape the deadly zones as they form a closed loop!

A new world populated only by artificial synthetic and robotic subjects.


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3. The real colonizer of the Moon, Mars and beyond!

Videomancy Hint: human spaceflight as the new hoax!


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4. Videomancy: The most intelligent inhabitants of that future world won't be men or monkeys. They'll be machines. Kong: Skull Island (2017)

The question is how many subjects are needed to maintain a minimum of administrative, military, economic, industrial and scientific production in order to not collapse and not be overthrown by the Old World (i.e. the humankind).

In the hypothesis of a demographic threshold (DT) of about 250 millions subjects, that is the demographic level of the U.S. in 1989, when the nation was about to become the only hyperpower 2 years later, thus able to defeat all the other powers, the question is it is feasible?

How long would it take to populate the solar system with 250 millions artificial synthetic and robotic subjects, and how many flights?


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5. Roadmap of China's manned space launcher 2017-2045. By 2045 fully reusable up to 100 times, 99.5% reliable, 12 hours between each flight, vertical take off, horizontal landing.

In the best scenario, as presented in the roadmap of China's manned space launcher 2017-2045, we could expect fully reusable up to 100 times, 99.5% reliable, 12 hours between each flight, vertical take off, horizontal landing space transportation systems.

The doomsday clock for human extinction

With 100 cybernetic passengers per rocket flights, 2 flights a day, 100 total flights per rocket before being discarded, and a fleet of 50 Chinese rockets (as in 2021), that is 50 expendable rockets all to be replaced by reusable ones in the future by 2030:

Per rocket: 100 flights/50 days => 10'000 passengers/50 days
Per fleet of 50 rockets: 500'000 passenger / years

This means a superpower like China by converting all its industrial capacity to produce 50 reusable VTVL rockets would need 500 years to transfer the hypothesized demographic threshold (DT) of about 250 millions subjects, and only to LEO!

And this is only the first and shortest trip. More fleet would be required to shuttle the robotic colonizers from the LEO Space Station to the Lunar Orbit's Station, then a third dedicated fleet would ferry the passengers to the lunar surface. The colonization of Mars would even increase this number!

In 100 years, only 50 millions passengers could be sent to LEO, or equivalent of the U.S. demography in the year 1852!

Now we see clearly why all the industrial capacity of the world is required in this Grand Feverish Plan of the Secret Master.

This can be declined as following:

• China: 50 rockets a year
• US (NASA): 50 rockets a year
• India (ISRO): 50 rockets a year
• EU (ESA): <50 rockets a year
• Russia (Roscosmos): <50 rockets a year
• Japan (JAXA): <50 rockets a year
• Iran (ISA): <50 rockets a year ?
• Korea (NADA): <50 rockets a year ?
• Turkey (TUA): <50 rockets a year ?
• Myanmar (MSA): <50 rockets a year ?

By increasing the space traffic to 500 rockets each year, all nations included, it would still require 50 years to send the DT 255 millions passengers to LEO!

But we can't produce that amount of rockets due to the weakness of the lesser powers.

Finally to reach the lunar orbit station an then the lunar surface, the fleet needs to be more than 3 times larger!

Cargo fleet that would carry the construction elements and machinery needed to build the first generation ground facilities on the Moon, and refuellers for the rockets, would even increase this number.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Starlink Orbital Directed Energy Weapon System made of 42'000 platforms when completed would need continuous launches for the upkeep, thus the bacteria-type proliferation of "private" launch companies we are witnessing lately.

Ground Space Center--> Earth GEO Space Station
RocketStarship-class VTVL
Rocket turnaround time2 launches a day
Payload to GTO21 tons
Passengers100 cybernetic robots
Earth GEO Space Station --> Mars GEO Space Station
RocketStarship-class
Travel duration80-150 days (average 115 days)
Mars GEO Space Station --> Mars Space Center
RocketStarship-class VTVL
Rocket turnaround timetwo departures a day
Passengers100 cybernetic robots
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Number of Space AgenciesMore than 10: China, N.A.S.A., ISRO, E.S.A., Roscosmos, JAXA, NADA, Iran Space Agency, TUA, Myanmar Space Agency, etc.
Rocket numbers
Rocket total by space agency each year50 Starship-class VTVL
World's total rockets each year500 Starship-class VTVL
Total rocket launches
Total launches by space agencies each year5'000 launches
World's total launches each year50'000 launches
Cybernetic robot colonizers
Cybernetic robot colonizers launched each day13'398 robots a day
Cybernetic robot colonizers launched each year5'000'000 robots a year
Cybernetic robot colonizers launched each century500'000'000 Cybernetic robot colonizers per century

We see here why Iran and all the other minor regions are absolutely essential and so important in this grand scheme!

Expect the doomsday clock for human extinction set to 2080 AD.

Vehicle Design

The role of the new reusable Vertical takeoff vertical landing (VTVL) rocket systems is the one of a follow on to the 1960's Boeing 707-120 Jet airliners that were used to ferry millions of subjects from one continent to the other in carrying out one's colonial duties.


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6. Videomancy: 1960's Boeing 707-120 Jet airliners that were used to ferry millions of subjects in carrying out one's colonial duties. Pan Am (2011-2012)

To ferry passengers to the moon, 3 different rockets are required for each steps: to the GEO station, from GEO station to the lunar orbit station and finally from lunar orbit station to the lunar base.


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7. The new manned launcher associated with the 7 seaters Yuanzhou spacecraft, in the CSS orbit configuration made of one first stage core booster, and in the beyond CSS orbit configuration, made of 3 first stages core boosters powered each by 7 Kerolox YF-100K engines.


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8. China's third new manned space launcher, made of 5 core boosters, each powered by 4 engines. Core booster diameter is 3.8 meter.

Safir-6 is is the sixth generation space launchers of Iran. It's main goal is to allow continuous launches to the Iranian Space Station (ISS) in LEO, to ferry continuously heavy payloads to the Lunar orbit, and to land them to the surface. To make space traffic feasible it will have to be Vertical takeoff, vertical landing (VTVL) capable and fully reusable up to 100 times, 99.5% reliable, with 12 hours between each flights. Payload should be around 20 tons LEO powered by a cluster of 9 kerolox main engines in the first stage.

The video "Iran Space Agency, The future is closer than you think آينده از ديد سازمان فضايي ايران" uploaded on youtube back on 16th March 2019 reveals the scope of Iran's space ambition.

The video follows the launch of an automated cargo spacecraft to resupply the Iranian Space Station (ISS) by a future two stages reusable heavy launcher (estimated ~19'000 kg LEO), and its docking.

A total crew of three astronauts, possibly four can be seen, including one female spacewalker.

Iran Space Agency, The future is closer than you think آينده از ديد سازمان فضايي ايران
March 17, 2019 (Persian calendar 1397/12/26)
1,142 views•Mar 16, 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uLoQT4d0Rg


The first stage is powered by seemingly 9 engines. Kerolox is the most likely. Trust per engine could be about 85 ton-force.

The first stage deploys four grid fins after separation to return to the ground.



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9. Seemingly 9 engines in the first stage.


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10. Second stage with smaller diameter.


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11. Liftoff.


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12. Liftoff.


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13. Stage separation.


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14. Stage separation and 4 grid fins deployment.


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15. Cargo vessel docking to the Iranian Space Station (ISS).

Other Space Agencies


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16. The Euro-Japanese Callisto VTVL reusable demonstrator, and VTVL reusable Ariane Next


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17. The Callisto VTVL reusable demonstrator co-developed by CNES, DLR and JAXA.



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The only feasible way is to continuously build massive interplanetary Starships in orbit to ferry men and material to all the planets. Let the little drone Starships lift the material to LEO and take the repeated abuse. SpaceX will build HUNDREDS of these little drones.


The Starships can act as orbiting spacestations around all the planets.

BTW this IS going to happen....it's a given.

They are already working on the 18th drone ship and they aren't even in full production yet.

Elon Musk has already stated landing boosters near the launch pad is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. It would be too slow and troublesome to move hundreds of them a day. He wants it back on the pad within minutes of landing...so they are working on elaborate plans to get it back quicly ready to go.

Even the current Starship drones are too small for him.
 
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How it started


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1. Grasshopper successfully lifts off in its first ever lateral divert test. 9:48 PM · Aug 15, 2013

How it’s going to end


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3. The war between Skynet's machine network and humanity.
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How it started

12:37 AM - 24 Jan 2021


Iran's space agency (ISA) chief Morteza Barari (@barari_ir) said that the manned space capsule developed by Iran Aerospace Research Institute (ARI) will be delivered to ISA by February 2021 and would be ready for sub-orbital launch by June.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210125031144/https://twitter.com/barari_ir/status/1353260686990860288
https://archive.vn/DjOAt



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3. Older drawing of the Iranian E1 manned space capsule.

How it’s going

5:43 PM - 24 Jan 2021


And before India and Europe.

I don't want to say "oh shame, in several decades of space history we still haven't done it in Europe", but still, it hurts

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4. Good ol' Burnol with compliment from Iran.
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The only feasible way is to continuously build massive interplanetary Starships in orbit to ferry men and material to all the planets. Let the little drone Starships lift the material to LEO and take the repeated abuse. SpaceX will build HUNDREDS of these little drones.




The Starships can act as orbiting spacestations around all the planets.


BTW this IS going to happen....it's a given.


They are already working on the 18th drone ship and they aren't even in full production yet.



Elon Musk has already stated landing boosters near the launch pad is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. It would be too slow and troublesome to move hundreds of them a day. He wants it back on the pad within minutes of landing...so they are working on elaborate plans to get it back quicly ready to go.


Even the current Starship drones are too small for him.

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This propaganda bot will keep posting unrelated replies, and there will be no end to it since what it does is basically copy paste and use templates.

These bot or bot-like accounts are generally characterized as engaging in abnormally high levels of retweets and low content diversity, as obviously the case with the user name Hamartia Antidote.

According to the official U.S. disinformation agency, and since the most infamous Apollhoax era, they are the only one that could survive the impassable deadly Radiation Belts that surrounds the earth, making travel beyond the LEO impossible.

And even when exposed such as in the Bermuda Triangle debunking, this bot will never be aware of how ridiculed he has been!

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Now on topic.

Not only has Iran cleared 2 of the 4 steps that unlocks the orbital manned flight, and will complete the 3rd by June 2021 far ahead of India's ISRO, that only has 2 milestones accomplished, but the videomancy latest hint suggests a major catastrophe awaiting the imprudent ISRO.


The manned sub-orbital launch of the Iranian E1 capsule by the Safir-1D test vehicle will be the 3rd among 4 major milestones necessary before the final orbital manned flight could be attempted by 2024.

Each are incrementally more complex in preparation for the orbital flight.

✔ • Air Drop Tests: to validate the overall aerodynamics of the capsule in free fall, test the parachutes opening sequence made of 2 drogue chutes then the main parachute, plus the back-up set of parachutes; test the g-load and resistance of the all structures upon impact with the ground, especially the impact attenuation seat and its passenger

✔ • Pad Abort Test: launch abort escape system from the ground level, its separation from the capsule, opening sequence of the parachutes

• Suborbital Test Vehicle: to test a spacecraft separation from the carrier rocket, the life support system providing oxygen and controlling the humidity, CO2 level, pressure and temperature inside the capsule, an the ablative heat shield, coordination of the Search And Rescue Team

• First unmanned orbital flight: with an added orbital injection by the Sarir-1C launch vehicle of the spacecraft (F1: Fazanavard-1), and its controlled de-orbiting, tracking telemetry and control over an entire earth orbit, Search And Rescue Team over land with choppers and vessels covering the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean


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1. The 4 main milestones incrementally more complex in preparation for the orbital manned flight.

We see that the ISRO's Gaganyaan project has only cleared 2 steps toward the orbital flight: the 1st Air Drop Tests and 2nd Pad Abort Test. While the 3rd step, the Suborbital Test Vehicle will not be conducted before Iran (June 2021).


https://archive.is/6n8uu/b92e6943df40527e7003874853188f78f61f7ec4.jpg ; https://archive.is/6n8uu/8882b765414800e9ca562de0c6daa648643005d6/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210127062059/https://i.imgur.com/RTqfnBX.jpg
1. Geostorm (2017): videomancy hint at an Indian casualty in space!
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This propaganda bot will keep posting unrelated replies,
It seems the MORE and MORE I agree with you the more upset you get. I already agreed with your assertion that NK will be the next nation in space. I agree that all the planets will be explored by robots before men.

As for your terminator machines it is already happening. The tech is there and it is obvious what will happen next if you put a gun in their hands.


What is your issue with my replies? Is it because I think Iran won't beat NK into space?? I figured since you list being in NK that wouldn't be the issue.
 
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It seems the MORE and MORE I agree with you the more upset you get.
Not at all. This is sheer sophistry, as our views are as opposed as noon and midnight! :hitwall:

Here again, a prediction base on the many filters defined by Galactic Penguin, but essentially the first one:

" 1. Green Light And Historical Milestones As Prerequisites For A Manned Suborbital Flight V1.0"

And as a consequence, it is now inching closer to become true! You read it here first on PDF, brought to you by Galactic Penguin!

Dec 31, 2019

Decryption for 'Turkey is due to announce an ambitious space program in 2020': a satellite launcher, a lunar orbiter, a suborbital manned flight.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/which-nation-will-be-the-4th-to-join-the-elite-club-of-spacefaring-nations.598244/post-11976389
Turkey's Space Program

"The only way to ensure justice in the world
is to exist in the space in a powerful manner"

- Recep Tayyip Erdogan, President of Turkey

Well, Turkey has now entered the global lunar space race today, with the announcement of a lunar impactor for 2023 and a lunar lander by 2028!

Turkey's Lunar Exploration Program (TLEP)

End of 2023 first moon mission: A falcon9 SpaceX rocket brings the first Turkish moon Orbiter into low earth orbit.

After separating the moon orbiter ignite its hybrid rocket engine and shots the moon orbiter to the moon for a hard landing!

The second part of the Turkish moon mission: 2028 turkey plans to launch a moon landing module with its own launcher. This is very ambitious

Look to the sky and see the moon
The original : istikbal göklerdedir-> future is in the skies


https://archive.is/SwfYf/56600b03591d19b0d87252f72b0b6a774d4e5272.jpg ; https://archive.is/SwfYf/75297c79b93cef2a06317854ec8aa69c91219e51/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20210210133544/https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtzW5zVXAAMirWr?format=jpg&name=large
1. Roadmap for the Turkish Lunar Exploration Program (TLEP). 2021.

@miguyan2000
https://twitter.com/miguyan2000/status/1359235262983909379
https://twitter.com/miguyan2000/status/1359233409386741761
https://twitter.com/miguyan2000/status/1359232294028984330

Turkey's Manned Space Program

This is only the beginning, as the Moon is no limit, coming next: the manned space race between Turkey and Iran for the global leadership in the Islamic world!


https://archive.vn/ayeeo/ad3a47f2fb6e55564ee4c3c14efa0b9a0299a2b2.jpg ; https://archive.vn/ayeeo/e0c7963831bbcef88de3759e89d492f568ce9354/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20210210133655/https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtzUavrXIAQd-xS?format=jpg&name=large
2. Inter-Islamic Space Race.


https://archive.vn/StlX8/7241ad86646a71a6e735ac89b8f3a5bbb75e2b46.png ; https://archive.vn/StlX8/c00fbf41f98d467776cf6c0fd1eeab7b8fc30d61/scr.png ;
https://web.archive.org/web/20210212163753/https://i.imgur.com/D2wpfts.png ;
https://twitter.com/miguyan2000/status/1359475283703783426 ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210209183526/https://cdn.tua.gov.tr/60229ce82baee.pdf

3. Official announcement of the Turkish manned space program. February 2021.

From the official statements, we see that Turkey will follow India in sending first an astronaut aboard the ISS with the help of Russia.

An indigenous flight will then follow when the future domestically developed launcher able to place 2 tons into LEO is available.


https://archive.vn/7YNkU/19fb56a78aaa579ee7cde8eb2b783716d3424db5.png ; https://archive.vn/7YNkU/1930219c06dce08f747f30cd862d5910b3816787/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210212163533/https://i.imgur.com/Mh8BtRU.png ; https://twitter.com/miguyan2000/status/1359475283703783426 ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210209183526/https://cdn.tua.gov.tr/60229ce82baee.pdf
4. Artistic rendering of the future Turkish orbital manned launcher. February 2021.


https://archive.vn/MdnTY/f04ea980ecefd454ab8f5a534bd536ece68c40b5.png ; https://archive.vn/MdnTY/4a0902e85f323b7cd19c5f4fde8fe6aa4fd4aa20/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210212163729/https://i.imgur.com/nFo0EqX.png ; https://twitter.com/miguyan2000/status/1359475283703783426 ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210209183526/https://cdn.tua.gov.tr/60229ce82baee.pdf
5. Artistic rendering of the future Turkish orbital manned launcher. February 2021.


https://archive.vn/URo3S/5db21ba262afb2dbb9c745ee13dca47336a8b730.png ; https://archive.vn/URo3S/96aa40063bc133f619ddd7b846f36d6f6820ad56/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210212163635/https://i.imgur.com/XYgKJxD.png ; https://twitter.com/miguyan2000/status/1359475283703783426 ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210209183526/https://cdn.tua.gov.tr/60229ce82baee.pdf
6. Artistic rendering of the future Turkish orbital manned launcher. Notice the second stage powered by a single high altitude engine, and the 3rd powered by 4 engines carrying the manned spacecraft. February 2021.


https://archive.vn/k6bBW/bd4638aa4f79023c8635be25314d71929b90c9d9.jpg ; https://archive.vn/k6bBW/bd34eacb92f975575d928f6998624992c149fe7a/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210212163404/https://i.imgur.com/kLuiVop.jpg
7. Some of the Turkish space launchers in development.

Manned Space Launcher

As a common practice, both Iran's and the Turkish manned space launchers are represented with a fanciful gap between the carrier rocket and the manned spacecraft.


https://archive.is/XQUik/840e8dacc081e944aec5a595ec13600984205ef5.jpg ; https://archive.is/XQUik/cf8e2b110a256f5eacff0a87846382a0bcda958e/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210212163304/https://i.imgur.com/Zc087HA.jpg
8. As a common practice, both Iran's and the Turkish manned space launchers are represented with a fanciful gap between the rocket and the manned spacecraft.

Current Assessment

Therefore the revised list of manned spacefaring powers, by order of green light, that is historical milestone and claimed legitimacy, as of February 2021:

1. A
2. A'
3. China: Wan Hu's (万虎) rocket-propelled manned winged Flying Vehicle maiden flight ended in failure, 1465 AD.
4. Korea: Jung Pyung Gu (정평구, 鄭平九) first recorded manned rocket propelled flight with a 12 km flight, 1590 AD.
5. Myanmar-Thailand-Laos-Cambodia: legend of Payawan failed winged manned rocket propelled flight, after 13th century A.D.
6. Turkey: Lagâri Hasan Çelebi successful manned rocket flight, 1633 AD.
7. Japan: world's first manned space program started in 1940. Upcoming large scale attacks with crewed gigantic stratospheric FUGO airships announced on 4th June 1945 AD.
8. India: Mysorean rockets, 18th century AD.
9. Germany: 1940s GEO manned space program investigated.
10 France: joined manned space race after 1957.
11. Iran: joined manned space race after 2010s.





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Which Nation Will Be The 4th To Join the Elite Club of Spacefaring Nations?

If successful, it will join the U.S.S.R., the U.S. and China in the elite club of countries to achieve homegrown human spaceflight.

Please support your claim with substantiated evidence, no low IQ self-satisfactory wishful thinking.



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Claims for North Korea


Recently, North Korean official media have published an article relating the exploits of the legendary eighth-century great traveler, the Buddhist monk Hyecho from the Silla Kingdom of Korea.
The first ever Korean to have travel from Korea to Persia.



Hyecho and the «Memoir of the pilgrimage to the five kingdoms of India»

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Hyecho (704–787), 慧超, Sanskrit: Prajñāvikrama; pinyin: Hui Chao, was a Buddhist monk from Silla, one of the Three Kingdoms of Korea.

Hyecho studied esoteric Buddhism in Tang China, initially under Śubhakarasiṃha and then under the famous Indian monk Vajrabodhi who praised Hyecho as "one of six living persons who were well-trained in the five sections of the Buddhist canon."

On the advice of his Indian teachers in China, he set out for India in 723 to acquaint himself with the language and culture of the land of the Buddha.

During his journey to India, Hyecho wrote a travelogue in Chinese named Wang ocheonchukguk jeon (hanja: 往五天竺國傳) which means, "Memoir of the pilgrimage to the five kingdoms of India."

It is the first known overseas travelogue written in Chinese by a Korean and contains information about the political, cultural and economic customs of India and central Asia at that time. The five Indian kingdoms in the work's title refer to West, East, North, South and Central India. This scroll is estimated as the first East Asian travelogue to the Islamic world.

He went to the coastal countries and crossed Persia (Iran) to reach the region known as the Eastern Empire, before returning to China in the year 727.

Hyecho traveled most of his journey by road for several years, traveling a distance of about 10,000 km, recording in details his experiences.

It took Hyecho approximately four years to complete his journey. The travelogue contains much information on local diet, languages, climate, cultures, and political situations.


▲ Hyejo's voyage, the first Korean in history to discover Persia.

http://www.dprktoday.com/index.php?type=2&no=35859


▲ Flashforward: Pyongyang No. 1 Senior-middle School, October 2017.


▲ Flashforward: Pyongyang Munsu water Park, June 2017.


▲ Official and ambitious goal of North Korea's space program, the exploitation of the lunar rare earths reserve.


Feasibility for North Korea

A suborbital manned flight may be attempted within six months from any civilian or military airfield, as the new civilian space launcher based on the Hwasong-15 intercontinental ballistic missile allows North Korea's NADA space agency, to conduct space launches without the need of any supporting space center, least from Sohae SLC currently under reconstruction.


▲ Hwasong-15 ICBM.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djb_NnzV4AEcLEO.jpg
https://twitter.com/isnjh/status/1024286771373199361?lang=fa
▲ Mobile civilian space launcher based on the Hwasong-15 ICBM.


▲ North Korean Hwasong-15 reentry vehicle, U.S. Titan 2 Mk.6 reentry vehicle and Chinese FSW recoverable capsule.


▲ North Korean Hwasong-15 reentry vehicle.


▲ Irano-North Korean E1 suborbital space capsule: on the left, new model from 2016, on the right, old exhibition mockup from 2015.


▲ New model of the Irano-North Korean E1 suborbital space capsule from 2016.



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Manned Space Race: Inter-Islamic Subplot

Could the Inter-Islamic space race be a repeat of the Cold War space race?

Indeed, although Iran enjoys a clear advantage as of 2021, it might well be frustrated in its quest to send the first Islamic astronaut into orbit.

This will not occur before another decade, and by 2031, following the Rouhani's administration further delays.

Iran Planning to Send Human to Space in 2031

2021-February-14 19:59

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iran is mulling to dispatch human to space in 10 years, Head of Iran’s Aerospace Research Institute Fathollah Ommi said on Tuesday.

“Iran has long been preparing the infrastructure needed for sending man into space,” Ommi said on the occasion of the National Space Technology Day.

Iran had planned to send man to space by 2025, but due to some problems, the breakthrough has been postponed till 2031.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210203110125/https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/13991115000175/Iran-Planning-Send-Hman-Space-in-203
https://archive.vn/PMeyj

The U.S.' orbital manned space launcher

The Atlas LV-3B/Mercury rocket developed some 191 tf (1880 kN) at liftoff.

This was enough for a U.S Mercury manned capsule for one astronaut, that weighed 1'400 kg fully loaded.

Iran's orbital manned space launcher

Iran will require the use of its Sarir-2 SLV to place a manned spacecraft into orbit.

This space launcher can develop 2 x 80 tf in its core stage with the addition of 2 x 80 tf liquid propellant strap-on booster, thus totalling 320 tf at liftoff.

The Sarir-1 SLV can place 700 kg into 1'000 km altitude LEO, with 2 strap-on liquid boosters the Sarir-2 SLV can place ~1'500 kg into LEO.

Sarir-2 SLV can place ~700 kg in GTO, and ~300 kg in TLI.

This would be enough for Iran's E1 capsule that has a mass of 1'800 kg.

Turkey's orbital manned space launcher

Micro-Satellite Launching System (MSLS) Project was carried out in cooperation with ROKETSAN and the Presidency of Defense Industries in 2018. The Project aims to launch micro satellites weighing less than 100 kilograms into a low earth orbit at a minimum altitude of 400 kilometers.

But the MUFS SLV will not be available until 2025.

Simsek UFA space launcher will be able to place 1'500 kg at 700 km LEO, by 2030.

From the CGI rendering, it is an improved version, with two solid propellant 1.35 meter diameter strap-on boosters, derived from the MUFS first stage, that will become the orbital manned launcher.

The spacecraft is therefore assumed to have a mass above 2 tons.


https://archive.is/DCqu8/537693e0c0d1771b2ac386f2010aff9a52cfe673.jpg ; https://archive.is/DCqu8/dd5c49cd685e0b741bef7d0ce1239c439892b549/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210214161310/https://i.imgur.com/XiwJIQi.jpg
7. Some of the Turkish space launchers in development.

Conclusion

It is more than likely that Turkey will take the lead of the Islamic world, as Iran is expected to postpone indefinitely its space program after it signs the second JCPOA agreement with the U.S.

This JCPOA-2 will be negotiated with the next Iranian president, to be elected on 18th June 2021.

The difference with the previous JCPOA-1 accord is that this one will bare Iran from developing ballistic missile technologies for decades!

No surprise as Iran was known to lack the historical milestone.

Current Assessment

Therefore the revised list of manned spacefaring powers, by order of green light, that is historical milestone and claimed legitimacy, as of February 2021:

1. A
2. A'
3. China: Wan Hu's (万虎) rocket-propelled manned winged Flying Vehicle maiden flight ended in failure, 1465 AD.
4. Korea: Jung Pyung Gu (정평구, 鄭平九) first recorded manned rocket propelled flight with a 12 km flight, 1590 AD.
5. Myanmar-Thailand-Laos-Cambodia: legend of Payawan failed winged manned rocket propelled flight, after 13th century A.D.
6. Turkey: Lagâri Hasan Çelebi successful manned rocket flight, 1633 AD.
7. Japan: world's first manned space program started in 1940. Upcoming large scale attacks with crewed gigantic stratospheric FUGO airships announced on 4th June 1945 AD.
8. India: Mysorean rockets, 18th century AD.
9. Germany: 1940s GEO manned space program investigated.
10 France: joined the manned space race after 1957.
11. Iran: joined the manned space race after 2010s.




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It seems the MORE and MORE I agree with you the more upset you get. I already agreed with your assertion that NK will be the next nation in space. I agree that all the planets will be explored by robots before men.

As for your terminator machines it is already happening. The tech is there and it is obvious what will happen next if you put a gun in their hands.
On the occasion of the U.S. Perseverance Mars Rover's imminent landing due for 18th February 2021, Galactic Penguin will show that He not only totally disagree with Hamartia Antidote, furthermore the origin of the diverging opinions lies in the inability of Hamartia Antidote to grasp the fundamental science behind the U.S. mainstream media articles.
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This is not off topic.

I agree that all the planets will be explored by robots before men.

Contradicting Galactic Penguin that clearly stated that no human would venture beyond the LEO, and beyond the protective earth's magnetosphere. The solar system being the exclusive realm of both robotic and genetically engineered sentient explorers.

Indeed, human beings having evolved for more than 4.5 billion of years becoming an endemic specie on Earth, fine-tuned to its 1 atmosphere air pressure, 1 g gravity, a magnetic field of 0.25 to 0.65 gauss, and the low level of earth surface's radiations with an average annual exposure from cosmic radiation of 0.33 mSv (33 mrem).

Any other planet is therefore unsuitable.


NASA Is Dropping a New Rover on Mars. Here’s What Could Go Wrong

15 Feb 2021
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This is a critical stage—one with regrettable historical precedents. During the failed landing of ESA’s Schiaparelli mission in 2016, the descent stage prematurely ejected the parachute and heat shield, the result of a software glitch. An onboard computer thought it was just a few feet off the ground, but in reality the descent stage was somewhere between 1.25 and 2.5 miles (2-4 km) above the surface.

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Again, history provides another example of a mission failing at this point, namely NASA’s Mars Polar Lander, which, like the Mars Climate Orbiter, died in 1999 (not a great year for NASA). According to NASA, the “most probable cause of the failure was the generation of spurious signals when the lander’s legs deployed during the descent,” which “falsely indicated that the spacecraft had touched down on Mars when in fact it was still descending,” causing the “main engines [to] prematurely shut down,” resulting in the lander falling to the Martian surface.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20210213140557/https://gizmodo.com/nasa-is-dropping-a-new-rover-on-mars-here-s-what-could-1846251618
https://archive.is/4E6G3
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/perseverance-landing-must-see-tv-feb-18.701412/post-12964547


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Highlighted in red, it means that the level of radiation on Mars is so intense, due to the solidified internal core that can no longer produce a protective magnetosphere as on earth, the electronics are jammed beyond repair!

Worse as there is no magnetic field at all on the Moon.

Think about the humans, that would be utterly nonsensical.






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Contradicting Galactic Penguin that clearly stated that no human would venture beyond the LEO, and beyond the protective earth's magnetosphere. The solar system being the exclusive realm of both robotic and genetically engineered sentient explorers.
Do you really believe that mankind in the future with all the technology advances accumulating is NEVER going to venture out beyond Earth? You really believe that? Are you serious?

The first powered airplane flight was only around 120 years ago and it was seen as pure magic in the faces of awed (and previously doubting) spectators. What we think of as pure magic in 2021 will be common in 2141.
 
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