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Which is the best LR SAM available in Market ?

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  1. Starlord

    Starlord SENIOR MEMBER

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    I have been looking at some Videos and Articles regarding 4 different SAM systems , and as a layman i get confused a lot because somehow those Videos or Articles at the end of reading they are able to convince me that the system they are marketing is the best one in market , so which one is really the best ? ( S-400 , HQ-9 , Aster 30 Block 2 , PAC-3 )

    Recently India has signed a deal of S400 which is a LR-SAM with the range of up to 400 Km ..I am not suggesting that Pakistan should Answer this with a SAM , but If Pakistan is thinking about a Medium-Long Range SAM which one would be best for Pakistan keeping the constraints of Pakistan like ( Availability, Budget , Sellers Willingness etc ) in mind . And Also I want to know what our experts and Senior Members think is the possible best SAM available in Market .

    1- S400
    2- PAC-3 Patriot
    3- Aster 30 Block 2
    4- HQ9/26

    S-400
    https://www.army-technology.com/projects/s-400-triumph-air-defence-missile-system/

    Aster-30 Block 2
    https://www.army-technology.com/projects/aster-30/

    HQ-9/26


    PAC-3 Patriot
    http://www.military-today.com/missiles/patriot_pac3.htm
     
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    You should Include S-500 in your list instead of S-400. S-400 is the older version that is approved for export by Russia.



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    April 13, 2018 Topic: Security Region: Europe Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: Russias300S400s500MilitaryTechnologyjetFighterStealthPutinair defenseMissile
    Russia's S-500: The Ultimate Weapon That Can Kill the B-2, F-22 and F-35?

    Here is everything we know.

    by Zachary Keck
    Russian state media have begun leaking some information about the country’s next-generation air and missile defense system, the S-500.

    While maintaining that “most of the new system’s technical characteristics remain under wraps,” Sputnik this week began shedding some light on what those technical characteristics will be (although many of them have been previously reported elsewhere). According to the report, the S-500 “is expected to be able to engage targets at altitudes of over 60 miles,” which is higher than any existing missile defense systems. Sputnik went on to claim that “sixty miles and more is also the near space zone where the majority of foreign military satellites are now orbiting our planet.” While it is technically true that military satellites are flying at heights of sixty miles or more, most of them are much higher than sixty miles and thus likely outside the S-500’s range.

    The Sputnik report went on to say that “the S-500 is expected to able to detect and simultaneously attack up to ten ballistic missile warheads flying at speeds of over 4 miles a second.” It will also have several distinct radar systems geared towards different targets. For example, the system will have different radars to detect planes, helicopters, drones and missiles. Earlier this month, Sputnik had reported on an all-altitude radar system that will be part of the S-500. According to that earlier report , “All that is known is that the Yenisei radar features a phased-array antenna to spot and track aerial targets across an entire range of altitudes, provide ‘friend or foe’ identification and determine priority targets.” Previous reports in the National Interest have noted that the S-500 “is expected to use the 91N6A(M) battle management radar, a modified 96L6-TsP acquisition radar, as well as the new 76T6 multimode engagement and 77T6 ABM engagement radars.”

    Interestingly, the Sputnik article from this week spends considerable space detailing the capabilities of the 40N6 extended-range guided missile. As the article notes, the 40N6 missile has an enormous range of 400 kilometers (250 miles). Noting that “ground-based radar systems are useless in space,” the Sputnik article states that the “the 40N’s homing system will differ from what can be found on all other air defense missiles.” Specifically, its “one-of-a-kind self-homing warheads search for their targets and, finding them, switch to an automatic-homing mode.” It goes on to state that the 40N6 is a two-stage solid fuel missile that is capable of reaching speeds of nine times the speed of sound. The report also claims the thirty-foot long missile has a "blast-fragmentation warhead with a range of 310 miles and 95-percent accuracy."

    What is notable about this, as regular readers of the National Interest know, is that the 40N6 missile has usually been discussed in reference to the existing S-400 air and missile defense system. There have been regular reports that imply that some of Russia’s existing S-400 systems already employ the 40N6 missile. These reports were almost certainly premature , although new reports this month said that the missile could enter service soon after undergoing another test in February of this year (and more tests scheduled this month or next). Thus, it seems the S-500’s main missile won’t be entirely new as it will first be integrated into at least some of Russia’s existing S-400 systems. Moscow does claim that this missile will be able to engage hypersonic missiles and could be modified to attack satellites. Russia appears to have agreed to sell India and China the 40N6 missile as part of their packages of S-400 missile defense systems.

    As Dave Majumdar has previously noted , while most of Russia’s defense industry suffered following the collapse of the Soviet Union, Moscow has continued to churn out quality air and missile defense systems. This is evident from systems like the S-400, S-300VM4 and S-350. Once deployed, the S-500 is expected to be networked with these existing systems to provide an integrated defense system. According to Majumdar, some U.S. defense officials worry that this system will be so capable that it might pose issues for stealthy warplanes like the F-22, F-35 and B-2.

    As to when the S-500 will first come online, Lt. Gen. Viktor Gumenny, the Deputy Commander of Russia’s Aerospace Forces, said last year that deliveries of the initial systems should occur sometime around 2020. This is likely to be a prototype systemdesigned for testing. Some reports of unknown reliability have claimed the system has already entered into production phase.


    Zachary Keck ( @ZacharyKeck) is a former managing editor of The National Interest .


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  3. Starlord

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    S500 is not Operational or in Service, all other SAMs mentioned above are in Active Service for more than one Countries .
     
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    No the pac3 is the best but expensive
    S400 the next best but you have to bear the consequences
    hq9 cheaper lethal and no problems
    the rest are all for the rich states
     
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    Your only bet is Chinese one
     
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    And Aster 30 , we are already using SPADA 2000 , and Raheel Sharif also on his visit to Italy check Aster , so if we can manage money than we can get Aster 30 block 2..
     
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    The Turkish Eurosam which will be available in the mid 2020s seems like an excellent choice. This when paired with Hisar-A & Hisar-O will afford Pakistan will diverse and credible multi-layered air defense. But it’s highly doubtful Pakistan will go for any of these systems; despite facing a multitude of technological & quantitative challenges from across the board viz viz India, Pakistan hasn’t shown the sort of leadership & creativity one would generally expect with a smaller force facing existential threat.
     
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    You forgot the S-300VM/Almaz-Antey 2500.
    Prior to the s-400 this was probably the most potent sam you could buy as unlike the s-300pm it used a 2 stage sam which topped out at mach 8 and also had a dedicated abm radar and the capability to engage medium and even some intermediate range missiles.
    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Giant-Gladiator.html#mozTocId199011