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Since discussing the West's hostility to India there would be off-topic, posting the links here.







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How about Tipu Sultan ?
Okay. Tipu Sultan was great but where are TODAY'S Indian Muslim scientists? Low population and discrimination cannot be excuse because of following three reasons:

1. You know how microscopic Parsi population is. Yet they produced nuclear scientists like Homi Bhabha and Homi Sethna. Whereas Indian Muslim population is so high that at least a few scientists should have surfaced.

2. Low population and discrimination wasn't a hindrance to Indian Muslims for producing national cricketers. Why is it an issue to produce scientists?

3. You would argue that Muslims aren't recruited to central government institutions due to security concern. If that's the reason, Indian Muslims are free to carve a niche in civilian fields. Sindhis have done that: Medical scientist Lakhumal Hiranand Hiranandani, computer scientists Vijay Vazirani, Umesh Vazirani, Rajeev Motwani, Gul Agha etc.

You and @AfrazulMandal dig up Muslims of medieval era and ignore 20th century like it doesn't count. Your superiority complex is breathtaking. @xeuss

@Mugwop,

If jamahir isn't a case of dunning kruger effect, then what is?

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Okay. Tipu Sultan was great but where are TODAY'S Indian Muslim scientists? Low population and discrimination cannot be excuse because of following three reasons:

1. You know how microscopic Parsi population is. Yet they produced nuclear scientists like Homi Bhabha and Homi Sethna. Whereas Indian Muslim population is so high that at least a few scientists should have surfaced.

2. Low population and discrimination wasn't a hindrance to Indian Muslims for producing national cricketers. Why is it an issue to produce scientists?

3. You would argue that Muslims aren't recruited to central government institutions due to security concern. If that's the reason, Indian Muslims are free to carve a niche in civilian fields. Sindhis have done that: Medical scientist Lakhumal Hiranand Hiranandani, computer scientists Vijay Vazirani, Umesh Vazirani, Rajeev Motwani, Gul Agha etc.
You have valid points. Though Gul Agha is a Pakistani Muslim.
 

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@Bossman, your post :
Why did the Chinese Communist help the Islamic Mujahideens against the Soviet Communist?
1. The USSR and China had become friends-turned-opponents ( please read this Western analysis ) and China seems to have become Communist only in name. The leftist government of Afghanistan was a comrade government of the USSR so USSR was helping Afghanistan which China didn't like and there was also the USSR-allied Afghanistan being a threat to the Zia-ul-Haq government in Pakistan and there was the possibility of Zia's government being overthrown by Pakistani leftists who would have allied with the USSR so for all this China helped the anti-Communist so-called Mujahideen.

2. There was nothing Islamic about the "Islamic Mujahideen". The Afghan Communists were far more Islamic than these transnational "Mujahideen" criminals. Below is from a 2016 thread of mine whose OP is an article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and is about Socialist / Communist activism among Muslims around the world since the early 1900s :
During the same period (1920s-30s), another (though lesser known) Islamic scholar in undivided India got smitten by the 1917 Russian revolution and Marxism.

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing five elements in common: (1) prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes (2) organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare (3) equality of opportunity for all human beings (4) priority of collective social interest over individual privilege and (5) prevention of the permanentising of class structure through social revolution.

The motivations for many of these themes he drew from the Qur’an, which he understood as seeking to create an economic order in which the rich pay excessive, though voluntary taxes (Zakat) to minimise differences in living standards.

In the areas that Sihwarwl saw Islam and communism diverge were Islam’s sanction of private ownership within certain limits, and in its refusal to recognise an absolutely classless basis of society.

He suggested that Islam, with its prohibition of the accumulation of wealth, is able to control the class structure through equality of opportunity.

Basically, both Sindhi and Sihwarwl had stumbled upon an Islamic concept of the social democratic welfare state.

3. Another clue of the non-Communist nature of the Chinese Communist Party is the continuance of stock exchanges in China where people gamble money, lose and some commit suicide by jumping into steel furnaces or off buildings. What kind of Communist movement would allow this kind of socio-economic system ?
 
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@Bossman, your post :


1. The USSR and China had become friends-turned-opponents ( please read this Western analysis ) and China seems to have become Communist only in name. The leftist government of Afghanistan was a comrade government of the USSR so USSR was helping Afghanistan which China didn't like and there was also the USSR-allied Afghanistan being a threat to the Zia-ul-Haq government in Pakistan and there was the possibility of Zia's government being overthrown by Pakistani leftists who would have allied with the USSR so for all this China helped the anti-Communist so-called Mujahideen.

2. There was nothing Islamic about the "Islamic Mujahideen". The Afghan Communists were far more Islamic than these transnational "Mujahideen" criminals. Below is from a 2016 thread of mine whose OP is an article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and is about Socialist / Communist activism among Muslims around the world since the early 1900s :



3. Another clue of the non-Communist nature of the Chinese Communist Party is the continuance of stock exchanges in China where people gamble money, lose and some commit suicide by jumping into steel furnaces or off buildings. What kind of Communist movement would allow this kind of socio-economic system ?
Despite being well read you are are simply stupid because you think you are Mr. Know it all. Do you think, I and most others on this forum don’t know what you are telling us.
 

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Despite being well read you are are simply stupid because you think you are Mr. Know it all.
I think no such thing. I receive information from varied sources and judge as per logic and rationality

For example, about Zia ul Haq, below is from a 2015 thread of mine whose OP is an article by a now-defunct respectable Indian newspaper :
Washington: Contradicting perceived proximity to the Soviet Union in the Cold War era, India under the then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi had toyed with the idea of supporting anti-Russian civilian groups in Pakistan if the then Zia regime was thrown out by Moscow, a recent declassified CIA document has claimed.

According to CIA documents of the era, which were recently declassified and posted on the CIA website under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which is similar to India's Right to Information Act, Gandhi wanted non-interference from both the United States and the then USSR. "Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi would like both the USSR and the United States to end their involvement in South Asia," noted the 31-page CIA document titled 'The Soviet Presence in Afghanistan: Implications for the Regional Powers and the US'.

While taking note of the historic India-USSR relationship in particular in the defence field, the CIA report of April 1985 noted that India is likely to become increasingly concerned about long-range Soviet intentions in the region and could find itself moving towards confrontation with the Soviets if Pakistan was effectively neutralised.

"New Delhi regards Pakistan as a strategic buffer against the USSR and would oppose Moscow's effort to dominate Pakistan. New Delhi and Moscow would find themselves supporting rival factions within Pakistan," said the report, according to which Moscow had plans to change the regime in Pakistan and extend its influence beyond Afghanistan. In that case, the report said, "The Indians would seek to significantly reduce their dependence on Moscow and reorder their strategic relationship with the USSR, the United States and China if they perceived Soviet ambitions as extending beyond Afghanistan toward the subcontinent."

According to the report, the Soviets tried to heighten India's suspicion about Pakistan's intentions and its security relationship with the US in order to foster Indo-Pakistani tensions and heighten New Delhi’s dependence on Moscow. "In Soviet view, conflict between India and Pakistan would work toward solving Moscow's Afghan problem and would give Moscow opportunities to strengthen its position in South Asia," the report said.

"If (Gen) Zia (Ul Haq) regime were to fall, the Indians might try to prevent Soviet attempt to dominate Pakistan by supporting rival Pakistani political factions, Soviet military moves against an already neutralised Pakistan could even result in military confrontation with India," it added.

Six months later when Gandhi was planning to meet General Zia on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly meeting in New York, the CIA analyzed that the then Indian Prime Minister, despite his strong public views on Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, was unlikely to push him hard on it. "Gandhi is unlikely to push Zia hard about the Pakistani nuclear program, although he probably will at least mention his continuing concern," noted the top secret CIA document dated October 21, 1985.

"For his part, Zia is also likely to propose ideas on ways to improve the bilateral relationship. He may suggest regular high-level diplomatic talks in addition to the formal Joint Commission sessions that focuses on trade, communications and cultural exchanges," the report said. "Zia may also solicit Gandhi's views on whether as the Pakistanis believe the Soviets are becoming serious about a negotiated settlement in Afghanistan," it said.

Do you think, I and most others on this forum don’t know what you are telling us.
What am I telling you ?
 

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I thaught it'll be wierd to put my pic on a forum but after looking at @Indos using his pic, I was like f it let's follow suite

I'll put my pic as dp maybe for a week or two let's see 😁, than I'll probably get creeped out and remove it lol
 
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I thaught it'll be wierd to put my pic on a forum but after looking at @Indos using his pic, I was like f it let's follow suite

I'll put my pic as dp maybe for a week or two let's see 😁, than I'll probably get creeped out and remove it lol

I thaught it'll be wierd to put my pic on a forum but after looking at @Indos using his pic, I was like f it let's follow suite

I'll put my pic as dp maybe for a week or two let's see 😁, than I'll probably get creeped out and remove it lol
We can force other to show us as well, just make a thread about it. At least I still remember what @Falcon29 look like....;)

@Hiraa please check this handsome guys photo.... :D
 
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Khan vilatey

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So this is my attempt to get latest info on members here. Aur sunao kiya horaha hai!!:police: :)

Ajj forum mein kia phada howa.. :woot::lol:

Aur Murad saab kahan hain?:D
I am playing on Indians ego’s by showing them how their entire world aka QUAD is and was never relevant. The Americans were giving the Indians sea surveillance equipment to keep an eye on the Chinese and hopefully dump all their old tech.

it was cool seeing them squeal lol 😂

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