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Homo Sapiens

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I am not saying you guys took great advantage from it. JUT industries were on decline in 50s and in 60s they almost ended.
If you don't mind me saying this
Where did you got this 'gem' of info about Jute industry was declining in 1950s and 1960s? With the start of Korean war in 1950, demand for jute goods increased worldwide. 1950s and 1960s was the golden period for Jute industry. It was providing Pakistan of 60 percent export earning. Jute only went into decline after 1975 with the advent of synthetic fivers.

Sir G poster Mage gave data which show 30% of total spent on East Part ……. And sir G east part was 1 province …. I can agree there population was bigger in number , but sir west was poorer and have 4 full Provinces and 3 other areas (AJK , GB and FATA).
And I hated East defence from West logic from bottom of my heart ………..
You can create 100 province within your West Pakistan, nobody care. People care about how govt. spent on each provincial citizen on per capita basis.
 

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@Homo Sapiens

Hahahahha tell me the share of textile industry in East Pakistan compared to West Pakistan.
Acha leave it just tell me the no. of universities and colleges, hospitals, dams, created by Mujib ur Rehman, Zia ur Rehman or their female successors. Ayub Khan to counter AL not only did'nt block proposed projects of Suhrwardy but did stupid spending in East Pakistan from 1959 to 1969. Bangladesh only changed its names instead of building more.
What Pakistani military regime built which Bangladesh namak h*r**m still are benefiting from.
KAptai Dam [only dam of bangadesh]
Mongla Port
Chittagong port
Mercantile Marine Academy [now Bang. MArine academy]

bureau of mineral development
Mirzapur cadet college
Rajshahi cadet college
Government Bangla College

Sylhet Medical College[now MAG OSmani medical college]
Siddheswari Degree College
Naogaon Government College
Eastern Refinery Limited [the only refinery in Bangladesh]
Swedish-Pakistan Institute of Technology [now Bang. Sweden Insti. of TEch.], KAptai
Khulna Engineering College[now Khulna University of Eng & technology]
Government K. M. H. College
Nazrul academy
Rangpur Institute
Jahangirpur Govt. College

Rangpur Polytechnic Institute
Technical Teachers’ Training College
Engineering College, Chittagong [now Chittagong University ofeng& TEchnology]

Technical Teachers’ Training College
University of Chittagong
Shaikh Burhanuddin Post Graduate College
Jinnah college [now Government Titumir College, Dhaka]
Dinajpur polytechnic institute
Atomic Energy Centre, Dhaka
Medical college [now Bangabandhu_Sheikh_Mujib_Medical_University]
Pakistan National Oil [now Jamuna Oil Company]
Titas GAs[development in 1968 by East Pakistan Industrial Development Corporation for power supply]
Pak Television Station Dhaka
Pak film lab and studios[film development corp.]
Institute of Statistical Research and Training, Dhaka Uni
thousands of girls and boys high schools all spent by govt.
Initial funding and construction of Jatiya sangsad
Initial funding and construction of ShahJalal airport
Ayub Khan with help from Canada had done feasiblity of Rooppur Nuclear plant in 1962, which he dropped later.

PAkistanis should see this and think about how India treats Muslims in Maharshtra outskirts and Burmese treatment of Muslims. Not one single college or institution developed in whoile districts there where muslims live. Ayub Khan developed these institutes inside and mostly outside Dhaka in their every division. Ahsaan faramosh ghaddar
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Do not kid yourself.

Check FAO data. Bangladesh with tiny land still produces more agricultural commodities than Pakistan.

Bangladesh is the 4th largest rice producer.
I think, @MUSTAKSHAF is correct in saying of the developed agriculture in greater Punjab which began after the end of Sepoy Mutiny in 1857. The British Indian govt took special care to build canals and irrigation projects throughout the big Province. As a result, west Pakistan was already self-sufficient in the production of agriculture goods many decades before the 1947 partition.

On the other hand, Bangladesh is only recently producing a modest amount of food. It was different before 1971 mostly because of flood and drought. It was the time of Ayub Khan in the mid-60s when IRRI rice projects were undertaken in the east and an irrigation system was introduced to produce rice in winter. We are getting the results only after so many decades.
 

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I think, @MUSTAKSHAF is correct in saying of the developed agriculture in greater Punjab which began after the end of Sepoy Mutiny in 1857. The British Indian govt took special care to build canals and irrigation projects throughout the big Province. As a result, west Pakistan was already self-sufficient in the production of agriculture goods many decades before the 1947 partition.

On the other hand, Bangladesh is only recently producing a modest amount of food. It was different before 1971 mostly because of flood and drought. It was the time of Ayub Khan in the mid-60s when IRRI rice projects were undertaken in the east and an irrigation system was introduced to produce rice in winter. We are getting the results only after so many decades.
Once should remove lens of hate to see this all.
Whole of BD members have got something else built in their blood and in long run that would hurt them,cause of this all, is writte in my signature.
 

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@Homo Sapiens

Hahahahha tell me the share of textile industry in East Pakistan compared to West Pakistan.
Acha leave it just tell me the no. of universities and colleges, hospitals, dams, created by Mujib ur Rehman, Zia ur Rehman or their female successors. Ayub Khan to counter AL not only did'nt block proposed projects of Suhrwardy but did stupid spending in East Pakistan from 1959 to 1969. Bangladesh only changed its names instead of building more.
What Pakistani military regime built which Bangladesh namak h*r**m still are benefiting from.
KAptai Dam [only dam of bangadesh]
Mongla Port
Chittagong port
Mercantile Marine Academy [now Bang. MArine academy]

bureau of mineral development
Mirzapur cadet college
Rajshahi cadet college
Government Bangla College

Sylhet Medical College[now MAG OSmani medical college]
Siddheswari Degree College
Naogaon Government College
Eastern Refinery Limited [the only refinery in Bangladesh]
Swedish-Pakistan Institute of Technology [now Bang. Sweden Insti. of TEch.], KAptai
Khulna Engineering College[now Khulna University of Eng & technology]
Government K. M. H. College
Nazrul academy
Rangpur Institute
Jahangirpur Govt. College

Rangpur Polytechnic Institute
Technical Teachers’ Training College
Engineering College, Chittagong [now Chittagong University ofeng& TEchnology]

Technical Teachers’ Training College
University of Chittagong
Shaikh Burhanuddin Post Graduate College
Jinnah college [now Government Titumir College, Dhaka]
Dinajpur polytechnic institute
Atomic Energy Centre, Dhaka
Medical college [now Bangabandhu_Sheikh_Mujib_Medical_University]
Pakistan National Oil [now Jamuna Oil Company]
Titas GAs[development in 1968 by East Pakistan Industrial Development Corporation for power supply]
Pak Television Station Dhaka
Pak film lab and studios[film development corp.]
Institute of Statistical Research and Training, Dhaka Uni
thousands of girls and boys high schools all spent by govt.
Initial funding and construction of Jatiya sangsad
Initial funding and construction of ShahJalal airport
Ayub Khan with help from Canada had done feasiblity of Rooppur Nuclear plant in 1962, which he dropped later.

@UKBengali, where are you? Why so many things were built in 23 years during Pakistan time? Much more than built in the last 46 years. Can it be possible? However, this @rak_987 guy forgot to say that the following projects were also built before 1971:
- Fenchuganj Fertilizer Factory,
- Ghorasal Fertilizer Factory,
- TSP Factory in Patenga,
- Eastern Cables in Patenga,
- First Cement plant in Patenga
- Chittagong Dry Dock
- Chittagong Marine Academy
- all the Zilla roads (highways), etc.
Please do not shy away from the truth and send your valuable advice on how BD can build similar things. You should ask Hasina to double the highway width throughout the country. These remain the same width as before 1971. But, no foreign loan, please!!
 

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I think, @MUSTAKSHAF is correct in saying of the developed agriculture in greater Punjab which began after the end of Sepoy Mutiny in 1857. The British Indian govt took special care to build canals and irrigation projects throughout the big Province. As a result, west Pakistan was already self-sufficient in the production of agriculture goods many decades before the 1947 partition.

On the other hand, Bangladesh is only recently producing a moderate amount of food. It was different before 1971 mostly because of flood and drought. It was the time of Ayub Khan in the mid-60s when IRRI rice projects were undertaken in the east and an irrigation system was introduced to produce rice in winter. We are getting the results only after so many decades.
One question ( slightly off topic, sorry for that ), isn't the land of Bangladesh more productive than any other land of this region? Not sure but some say that our land is one of the most productive in this world. So why we are recently producing modest amount of food? Is it only for mismanagement, or our land is not that extreme fertile that we used to believe ? Not talking about flood and drought though as there is no reason for crops to survive in the situation!
And is the land of both punjab more productive than Bengal region?
@bluesky
 

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You are wrong about jute. Please read up on it.
Sir g , Please read Page 71 to 74(of the chapter not pdf file) In link given (I am not able to copy past)…….. A great read overall.
@Nilgiri , @war&peace , @django , @Slav Defence , @Horus , @waz , @BHarwana , @Imran Khan

http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/63258/9/09_chapter 2.pdf
I am sorry for bad copy quality . Here you can read about my claim(Majority JUT industries feel in India , East Pakistan got Main cultivation Area)
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Edit: @Atlas , Dear sir , JUT was only propaganda , As you can see majority of industries went to India and Pakistan started Building JUT industry in East Province in 50(look at mine and @BHarwana Thread) it might took 5 to 10 years to reach its peak (In east Pakistan) ,,, After looking at mass industrial build up of JUT in East and economical benefits it brings East Pakistani got wrong impression(globally JUT wasn't doing good), This doesn't mean JUT did nothing , but my point is local Nationalist overhyped it. ……They( Bangla Nationalist )used JUT against Pakistan …….
 
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One question ( slightly off topic, sorry for that ), isn't the land of Bangladesh more productive than any other land of this region? Not sure but some say that our land is one of the most productive in this world. So why we are recently producing modest amount of food? Is it only for mismanagement, or our land is not that extreme fertile that we used to believe ? Not talking about flood and drought though as there is no reason for crops to survive in the situation!
And is the land of both punjab more productive than Bengal region?
@bluesky
If you are considering agriculture the most productive land in the region is the land of both Punjabs.
 

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If you are considering agriculture the most productive land in the region is the land of both Punjabs.
Okay thanks for the information! I thought that lands of large river basins are the most productive because of large amount of silt soil . However I had no clear idea though what make lands more productive other than silt of river basin!
 
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aby chor do yaar jo hona tha ho gya bus khatam karo ab is baat ko koi faida nhi
Right, if we can move forward , Pakistan and Bangladesh can be best friendly nations. And compromise is a type of art, but it looks that peoples from both countries have no mood of compromise!
That's sad indeed!
 
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Right, if we can move forward , Pakistan and Bangladesh can be best friendly nations. But compromise is a type of art and it looks that peoples from both countries have no mood of compromise!
That's sad indeed!
members here beating a dead horse . if this talk was before 1971 may be give somw results . now after 50 years ? its just create more hate and BS between both .for me i am not intreasted what happen 50 years ago .
 

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members here beating a dead horse . if this talk was before 1971 may be give somw results . now after 50 years ? its just create more hate and BS between both .for me i am not intreasted what happen 50 years ago .
Exactly. What happened had happened, so there is no point of vicious arguments.
One thing really surprise when mature folks quarrel like kids for silly reason . If something happened 50 years ago still why such bickering? All are act of immaturity! That's the reason south Asians, specially south Asian Muslims are far behind than other nations.
And also some fifth columnist type posters always be beneficial for such childish arguments. They just divide and rule people's mind!
 

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Exactly. What happened had happened, so there is no point of vicious arguments.
One thing really surprise when mature folks quarrel like kids for silly reason . If something happened 50 years ago still why such bickering? All are act of immaturity! That's the reason south Asians, specially south Asian Muslims are far behind than other nations.
And also some fifth columnist type posters always be beneficial for such childish arguments. They just divide and rule people's mind!
both sidesare defending their grand parents mistakes :lol:
 

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