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We’re Indians first, Taliban view of Islam not ours, say Deoband Islamic Scholars (Ulema)

H!TchHiker

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I ain't against prophet and his true companion but that time was too old and erasing history was much easier
No ..as I said no muslim can have such remarks ..you have shown what you are some Jamal das or Kumar whatever ..I hope mods will deal with you ..no one is allowed to pass such insulting remarks
 

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I ain't against prophet and his true companion but that time was too old and erasing history was much easier


@jamahir now we have to prove a pakistani that we are real muslim or not , our alignment to our nation need a proof
You look like this tool or just using his nonsense and to hide your true self.

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Saying that doesn't change the fact that people still want to associate themselves with Deobandi and Barelvi schools and not something local to Pakistan.
Just because they chose Hindustan instead of Pakistan doesn't change their credibility.

You can use any term to differentiate why use Deobandi and Barelvi, the logic doesn't add up.
There are more known Deobandi Pakistani Origin scholars than Hindustani scholars that are followed around the world. Even in the US where I live are 90%+ Pakistani Deobandi scholars leading Muslims in mosques and seminars. Indians are just followed by their own their have no real influence beyond Indian origin people. You who don’t follow the religion or associate with it in any shape or form have no credibility to tell us what’s followed or not and who has more creditably.
 

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Well as my ammi taught me , first i have to wash my hands and feet and face , then find a corner with silence , sit on my peice of mattress towards kaabh , and speak my desire to do salat before starting



Say it in Arabic. What do you EXACTLY say?..........if you take more than 5 mins to respond it means you are trying to Google the answer.........:lol:....... :azn:
 

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I didn't insult prophet , if I think my version of islam is more in line with version that talibani have than go ahead

So anyone who don't agree with you is kafir

So anyone who don't agree with you is kafir
No you are trying to bring your so called hinduism with thousands of gods as some grand scheme where Islam fits in under it ..you are simply idiot nothing else ..
 

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Glad to know this. Kudos to Indian Muslims to call this out and make it very clear.
 

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The Taliban follows the Deobandi school of Islam, but the storied Islamic seminary town’s scholars and people say it is an extreme version, has nothing to do with them.

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22 August, 2021

The Deoband town in Uttar Pradesh's Saharanpur district | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
The Deoband town in Uttar Pradesh's Saharanpur district | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint

Deoband: Deep inside Uttar Pradesh’s Saharanpur district is the town of Deoband. Its streets are filled with young men in white kurta-pajamas and white skull caps, clutching books and bags on their backs.

This, locals say, is the result of about 300 seminaries or madrasas in the town alone that houses thousands of students, many from Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh looking to attain religious education.

The town is also home to the Darul Uloom Deoband, an Islamic seminary established in 1886, which has emerged as a revered global centre for Sunni education.

The seminary and its Deobandi version of Islam have once again hit the headlines following the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan. The Taliban follows the Deobandi school of Islam but locals say that it is an extremist version that has little to do with them.

Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband, told ThePrint that the connection is only historical.


According to him, the Deobandis of India did teach their counterparts of Pakistan and Afghanistan but this was only during the 19th century when there was an effort to get the British out of the subcontinent.

“Our ancestor Maulana Mahmud Hassan Deobandi, who was also called Shaykh-al- Hind, was a freedom fighter in the Indian freedom movement,” Madani said. “In order to fight the British, he had created a jamait of freedom fighters. During this freedom movement, he sent his close ally Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi to Afghanistan to create an allied force to aid the freedom movement in India.”

“In order to create this group of allies, Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi was able to form relations with the people of Afghanistan and was able to create the first provisional government of India in Afghanistan where Mahendra Pratap Singh was declared the president and who declared a jihad against the colonial rule,” he said.

Madani said that in recent times, the town has no connection to Afghanistan.

“The person who started the freedom movement over a 100 years back in Afghanistan was a Deobandi and the Taliban claiming to be followers of Deoband are probably his followers three generations down the line,” he said.

As for students coming in from Pakistan and Afghanistan, he said, “Students from all over South Asia come here; for 800 seats, we get about 10,000 applications every year. Students are selected based on different parameters that we have.

“Students from Afghanistan or Pakistan only come here if the Indian government gives them a visa. So all students coming in, come through a formal administrative process. The government obviously has all the information about our international students.”


Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
‘Stop associating us with terror groups’
This isn’t the first time that Deoband town has attracted media attention.

In the aftermath of the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center in the US in 2001, The New York Times carried a piece on Deoband titled, ‘Indian town’s seed grew into the Taliban’s code’.

Now, the Indian media has begun to focus on the town and its school of Islam.

A spokesperson of the Darul Uloom, who did not want to be named, however, said they have stopped talking to the media due to “twisted narratives”.

“We are a religious school but we are also Indians. To doubt our integrity every time the Taliban spread terror is shameful,” he said.

His view was echoed by a 60-year-old farmer, who has been living in Deoband for over three generations.

“Linking terrorists with a school of religious teachings is unfair. Blaming Islam for their actions is worse,” the farmer said. “No religion in the world teaches anyone to kill or maim; neither does Islam. The Taliban have done terrible things to women and men that go against the teachings of Islam.”

Locals argue that if they indeed are proponents of radical Islam, then terror activities would have hit other countries that the students come from.

Also read: 24-year-old Afghan, a Delhi graduate, is behind the Kabul women protests against Taliban

Deoband and orthodoxy
One of the chief criticisms of the Deoband Islam is that it “promotes extreme orthodoxy”, especially when it comes to women, constricting them to their homes and denying them access to education, jobs and an equal say.

At Deoband, however, the view, among locals and the maulanas, is that they are being misrepresented.

Mohammad Arshad Faruqi, chairman of the Darul Uloom’s online fatwa services, told ThePrint that according to the teachings of Islam, women have the right to education and equal job opportunities but on the condition that they maintain purdah (condition of being fully covered).

Ziya Fatima, a 53-year-old homemaker in Deoband, said that Sharia law imposed on women in Afghanistan is extreme and does not abide by the the teachings of Islam.

“My daughters were educated; they live in the Middle East,” she said. “We go out in the market and attend to our daily chores and run our households, our religion does not restrict us from doing these things.”

“What they did to the women in Afghanistan is wrong; women should be a part of the system and given equal opportunities,” she added.


Women are allowed to study and work, say Deoband's Islamic scholars and locals | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
Women are allowed to study and work, say Deoband’s Islamic scholars and locals | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
The orthodoxy, however, does extend to what women wear.

Ziya Us Salam, author of the book Women In Masjid: A quest for Justice, said this is due to a “patriarchal interpretation of the Quran”.

“Women have been instructed to wear loose garments in our religious text, which is often translated into the burqa, but the same instruction has been given to men too,” he said. “Men are supposed to cover the part between their navel up to their knees with a loose garment. But we don’t see women telling men how to dress because in India, all positions of religious power across religions have been held by men.”

An ATS centre
Amid the Taliban takeover, the Uttar Pradesh government has decided to set up a training centre for Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) commandos in Deoband.

“Amid the Taliban’s savagery, here is a piece of news from UP. Yogi Ji has decided to open a commando training centre in Deoband,” CM Yogi Adityanath’s media advisor Shalabh Mani Tripathi tweeted in Hindi.

Despite the communal overtones, residents and maulanas in the area welcomed the decision. “There is nothing wrong with what we teach and we welcome the ATS staff to be a part of our classes whenever they like,” Madani said.

Residents added that it will only make them feel safer.

“It is better if they come here and find the truth. Maybe these connections they keep making between Deoband and Taliban will stop,” Tehseen Khan, a lawyer living in town, said. “In the current polarised times, we will feel safer knowing that there is a security force present in the area.”

(Edited by Arun Prashanth)


Despite sympathies, Even Darul Uloom Deoband is not recognizing Taliban
@Zarvan
I don't know what's so revealing about this? The IEA has nothing to do with India Deoband, and that's been the case for decades.
 

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Well as my ammi taught me , first i have to wash my hands and feet and face , then find a corner with silence , sit on my peice of mattress towards kaabh , and speak my desire to do salat before starting
Acting gave away.

“O ye who believe, obey Allah and obey the Prophet and obey those in authority from among you” (4:60)

“Whoso obeys the ruler obeys me, and whoso disobeys the ruler disobeys me” (Muslim); “

"Listen to and obey your ruler, even if you [despise him]” (Bukhari).


Islam demands complete loyalty from Muslims for their state, wherever they are.

Stop bothering Deobandi or any other sect of Muslims in India. They are loyal to their state by the orders of their religion.

They have nothing to do with Pakistani Muslims being loyal to Pakistan. Or Talibans following their own teachings.

Simply put, you can`t control Taliban through Deobandis of India.

Don`t be stupid.
 

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deoband is not islam its a city in india . what islam haev to do with deoband first place?????
Devband is one of the very influential Firka of 72 firkas of Islam if I am not wrong like Barelvi, You can correct me if I am wrong.
 

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lol ..are u trolling or just naive to write something like this..
IM's are quite docile compared to you guys across the fence.

I might be trolling a bit but it's true... the Pak Deoband school syllabus is lot more spicy than the Indian version.
Quite rich from a member of a depraved society that feeds on hate and regularly elects people based on hate.
Say depraved Hindu society, why don't you ?
 

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Glad to know this. Kudos to Indian Muslims to call this out and make it very clear.
you Indians on here are really funny to listen to , your Patting each other on the backs when all you’ve ever done is be colonised and run by others. Taliban Pakhtuns win against the USA get freedom and there country back

your poor Muslims can not even ok to win the right to eat there cow lol , but passing Fatwas on the Taliban, okay you people are ridiculous
 

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