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It is less of a deflection and more about international law.

Junagadh, Jammu and Kashmir are under illegal Indian occupation. What other parts of India must be liberated is an open-ended question.







Now you are going off the deep end.
False flagging pos
 

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that's a guarantee to get Yogi elected as Modi's successor

Yogi is a welcome edition

Jammu and Kashmir are under illegal occupation. What other parts of India must be liberated is an open-ended question.

Now you are going off the deep end.

lel.. If you agree with Jinnah then Jammu and Kashmir is by no legal terms under Indian occupation and that territory was with them since 1947 they never took it via war or anything but via the pen and deal there were even british witnesses.. The problem is Jinnah because he entered the negotiations as an invader period.. His not the father of Pakistan neither but Muhammad of Ghor is without a doubt and that is how the Indians view Pakistan which is the true picture they personally insisted that the border line should be the ghorid one hence Pakistan is A Muhammad of Ghor nation not Jinnah aka hindustan liberator... As per deal and international law GB and AK is under Pakistan occupation in the technical term which actully came via force not the pen..

You don't agree to border lines and then start to claim post that it is occupied which is absolutely ludicrous the question is when and how.. While nobody forced you to sign the dotted lines to begin with..

As I previously said all of India is a potential claim not one insignificiant valley... There are bigger claims on Delhi, Deccan, Agra etc etc
 
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That is a very nice thing to say. We appreciate that Pakistani leadership want peace. If implemented, it would stop the cross-border firing and instead troops would then be better focused on exchanging sweets genuinely for festive occasions on both sides of the border.

Let's hope that the non-state elements don't play spoilsport in this and we can finally stop after 70 years.
 

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If you agree with Jinnah then Jammu and Kashmir is by no legal terms under Indian occupation and that territory was with them since 1947 they never took it via war or anything but via the pen and deal there were even british witnesses..



The deal Nehru committed India to in front of the world was to hold a referendum in Jammu and Kashmir.

Extracts from Nehru's Broadcast on 2 November, 1947

"We have decided to accept this accession and to send troops by air, but we made a 'condition that the accession would have to be considered by the people of Kashmir later when peace and order were established. We were anxious not to finalise anything in a moment of crisis, and without the fullest opportunity to the people of Kashmir to have their say. It was for them ultimately to decide.​
"And here let me make clear that it has been our policy all along that where there is a dispute about the accession of a State to either Dominion, the decision must be made by the people of the State. It was in accordance with this policy that we added a proviso to the Instrument of Accession of Kashmir.​
"We have declared that the fate of Kashmir is ultimately to be decided by the people. That pledge we have given, and the Maharaja has supported it not only to the people of Kashmir but the world.​
We will not, and cannot back out of it. We are prepared when peace and law and order have been established to have a referendum held under international auspices like the United Nations. We want it to be a fair and just reference to the people, and we shall accept their verdict. I can imagine no fairer and juster offer."​
 

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The deal Nehru committed India to in front of the world was to hold a referendum in Jammu and Kashmir.

Extracts from Nehru's Broadcast on 2 November, 1947

"We have decided to accept this accession and to send troops by air, but we made a 'condition that the accession would have to be considered by the people of Kashmir later when peace and order were established. We were anxious not to finalise anything in a moment of crisis, and without the fullest opportunity to the people of Kashmir to have their say. It was for them ultimately to decide.​
"And here let me make clear that it has been our policy all along that where there is a dispute about the accession of a State to either Dominion, the decision must be made by the people of the State. It was in accordance with this policy that we added a proviso to the Instrument of Accession of Kashmir.​
"We have declared that the fate of Kashmir is ultimately to be decided by the people. That pledge we have given, and the Maharaja has supported it not only to the people of Kashmir but the world.​
We will not, and cannot back out of it. We are prepared when peace and law and order have been established to have a referendum held under international auspices like the United Nations. We want it to be a fair and just reference to the people, and we shall accept their verdict. I can imagine no fairer and juster offer."​

There was a deal between the princely state and India..

'' India claims the entire erstwhile British Indian princely state of Jammu and Kashmir based on an instrument of accession signed in 1947 India claims the entire erstwhile British Indian princely state of Jammu and Kashmir based on an instrument of accession signed in 1947''

While Pakistan had none and that accession included GB and AK.. Pakistan claim since majority was muslim we have to take. Truely they should have gone for Delhi and Agra instead they took GB and AK
 
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There was a deal between the princely state and India India claims the entire erstwhile British Indian princely state of Jammu and Kashmir based on an instrument of accession signed in 1947 India claims the entire erstwhile British Indian princely state of Jammu and Kashmir based on an instrument of accession signed in 1947



The claim is bunk without referendum and repeating yourself is not necessary.
 

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Their claim was not fruitless but legitimate but anyways lets agree to disagree no reason to dragging this



Nehru laid out the principles for legitimacy in his own words: "referendum held under international auspices like the United Nations"
 

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Nehru laid out the principles for legitimacy in his own words: "referendum held under international auspices like the United Nations"

The princely state sign with them at the end and joined them... The rest is ifs...

The claim is on the larger subcontinent equally
 

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The princely state sign with them at the end and joined them... The rest is ifs



The princely state of Junagadh signed its accession legally over to Pakistan.

The accession of Kashmir was conditioned on a referendum by Nehru.

Again, Nehru said: "...we made a 'condition that the accession would have to be considered by the people of Kashmir"
 

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Indian should listen with open ears and eyes:
Indeed we do not want war with any neighboring country, we want peace. If you take it as our weakness, just dare for any adventure like 29Feb and we will give you a befitting reply on our own terms and time, with pretty advanced warning and not coward style so-called 'Surgical Strikes'.


Pakistan and China jointly must actively Balkanised the Indian state and then SARC should be reactivated to open up the connectivity, peace and prosperity groovy train.
Men and women lives of the India will be far better off in that way and S.E Asia will have peace once for all. India as we know it, is a hostage state to the different interests group. Until and unless those chords of interests mafia are not cut will stay as a hostage nation bringing down rest of the countries in the region.
Pakistan will be fighting Kashmiri war for another 100 years without any outcome and we will be paying the Indian intransigence cost for ever. I can name that war as " Indian liberation war for peace and prosperity for the S.E. Asia".
 

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The princely state of Junagadh signed its accession legally over to Pakistan.

The accession of Kashmir was conditioned on a referendum by Nehru.

Again, Nehru said: "...we made a 'condition that the accession would have to be considered by the people of Kashmir"

You are reaching for straws here.. I don't wanna comment on that further.. I can disprove you but don't wanna provide ammo to them..

All that is irrelevant now our claim is on the entire subcontinent period... If we are considered a ghorid nation then we must act like one and live up to their high strandard
 

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While Pakistan had none and that accession included GB and AK.. Pakistan claim since majority was muslim we have to take. Truely they should have gone for Delhi and Agra instead they took GB and AK


You just copy pasted off Wikipedia. If Pakistan claimed regions based on their Muslim population we would claim every Muslim majority region in the world like Indians claim their Akhand Bharat.

Pakistan claims Kashmir on the basis of wishes of the people of Kashmir (who were being massacred by the Hindu Maharajah for their religion and will to join Pakistan) and the fact that the accession was illegitimate. If India can invade a state about to join Pakistan against the wishes of its people, why is it illegal when Pakistan does the same? India's claim is hypocritical and has no validity.
 

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You just copy pasted off Wikipedia. If Pakistan claimed regions based on their Muslim population we would claim every Muslim majority region in the world like Indians claim their Akhand Bharat.

Lets not go further on this it is unnecessary but technically these JK elites signed to go over to their side..

But Our claim is for the sub-continent and all of it.. We shall protect that position..
 
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