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I know more then you what they have.. I don't get moved by that because I know it fully nor do I buy their hype cause I am not a layman in military hardware... Everything comes down to our preparation level.. We will keep using both in local production and purchase we are not deterred by that.. But it all comes down to us and our desire nothing more. I don't think NATO will transfer weapons here as that will create headache for them elsewhere..

If you wanna become cheerleader for them go ahead and be my guest.. But we are not buying it even the slightest it will fall on deaf ears nor am I underrating them just not overrating we can take them fully.. these pacifists and vegetarians they won't even be our toughest war...

It's about mindset and we will rollover these vegetarians mark my words... They will crack in the moment of truth and when they get their back against the wall their true self will appear they dislike death and destruction like the pest they will betray themselves at the hour of need. It was never a coincidence or fluke that a minority ruled India 1000 years their true character in the moment of hardship will appear rest assured
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And how our preparations can continue without a regionally interconnected economy? We are building linkages North-South with China, but markets relies on in our east and west. If we are not an enabler of these markets in terms of interconnectivity, we are nothing but irrelevant nation and the world will keep ignoring us like it has done so far. Economic diplomacy comes before any sort of military diplomacy.

Yes, they won't be our toughest war .... read 1971 and 1999 from some neutral and authentic historians, and you will reflect on your claim. They severed us into 2 separate counties, they have been killing us in scores since last 20 years without spilling a drop of sweat and yet people on this side has the audacity of claiming something like this ... Nearly, 100,000 casualties and counting... I don't know how much tougher you want it to be!

Hell, Yeah ... We have been rolling over them since last 7 decades. Please care to explain how many wars we have actually won. There is nothing to show except some half achievement in 48 when AJK/GB was liberated. Right now, Pakistan is entitled with the largest defeat in Islamic history! What you are doing here is nothing more than ZaidHamidism ...

Everybody cracks under pressure after a certain threshold so will Indians ... but a question, how we are going to push them against the wall from our current predicament? This is where you have failed to answer and keep repeating same things. Everyone from Ayub to Zia sold us Jihad and to what end? It got us in hot waters without any strategic gains. We had opportunities to rollover them in 62 when Ayub Khan refused to take initiative, and then we had likes of Musharraf who was eager to seek troubles in 1999 and took an army to war that was under sanctions ... rest is history.

It's not military hardware, it is how all that hardware from east and west ending in Indian market and how this is going to increase cost of peace (let alone war) for us. Wake up please .... It's not like we are going to fight against them tomorrow, but whenever that happened, our ignorance on economic front will haunt us in the battlefields.
 

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And how our preparations can continue without a regionally interconnected economy? We are building linkages North-South with China, but markets relies on in our east and west. If we are not an enabler of these markets in terms of interconnectivity, we are nothing but irrelevant nation and the world will keep ignoring us like it has done so far. Economic diplomacy comes before any sort of military diplomacy.

Yes, they won't be our toughest war .... read 1971 and 1999 from some neutral and authentic historians, and you will reflect on your claim. They severed us into 2 separate counties, they have been killing us in scores since last 20 years without spilling a drop of sweat and yet people on this side has the audacity of claiming something like this ... Nearly, 100,000 casualties and counting... I don't know how much tougher you want it to be!

Hell, Yeah ... We have been rolling over them since last 7 decades. Please care to explain how many wars we have actually won. There is nothing to show except some half achievement in 48 when AJK/GB was liberated. Right now, Pakistan is entitled with the largest defeat in Islamic history! What you are doing here is nothing more than ZaidHamidism ...

Everybody cracks under pressure after a certain threshold so will Indians ... but a question, how we are going to push them against the wall from our current predicament? This is where you have failed to answer and keep repeating same things. Everyone from Ayub to Zia sold us Jihad and to what end? It got us in hot waters without any strategic gains. We had opportunities to rollover them in 62 when Ayub Khan refused to take initiative, and then we had likes of Musharraf who was eager to seek troubles in 1999 and took an army to war that was under sanctions ... rest is history.

It's not military hardware, it is how all that hardware from east and west ending in Indian market and how this is going to increase cost of peace (let alone war) for us. Wake up please .... It's not like we are going to fight against them tomorrow, but whenever that happened, our ignorance on economic front will haunt us in the battlefields.

I don't know who you are but you are talking about someone who knows about what ends with them and what is in their inventory but you are speaking here as if they have alien technology that I know nothing of...

Besides I am not blind why use the color??

You come off like an Indian whos ego was hurt..

We defeated them Indians in 48 and 65 and took from them an area larger then Austria while our population was only 20m and theirs 500m talk about overachieving..

You are talking about technology that is not even existing on the map... I know what they have rest assured when I say they don't have edge on us anywhere.

You picked the Bangladesh indenpendence war and added alot of hyperbole Pakistan lost Bangladesh when they started treating them poorly and besides they wanted their own country it was unfeasible for us but I admit that was a stragetic defeat but we took from them a large territory despite being outnumbered and defeated them in 65' and also not to forget last war we had was half a century ago.. 99 was not a conflict just a skirmish..

They have never defeated us on the western front and times have changed today we have stragetic depth and the upper hand against them.. This much we are assured off..

Next war we ain't fighting for small territories but at the friction of miscalculation we will go for everything..


Forget about them even if they were to gather a coalition we will not be overcome in this territory and bearing in mind that we have prepared everything including building the stragetic depth with it's installations... We will dig our asses deep into mountains and dug out ourselves positions and shelters.. Even nuclear outfall will not damage us like it would others... But as long we prepare ourselves nothing will overcome us... If our preparations is setup right we can fuk up a huge coalition not only them hence my hint they won't be our toughest war...

This is KHORASAN...
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ISLAMABAD:
Peace with immediate neighbours and economic diplomacy will be the central theme of the country’s foreign policy in the new National Security Policy, scheduled to be unveiled on Friday.
The original 100-page policy, which would be kept under wraps, leaves the door open for trade and business ties with India without final settlement of the longstanding Kashmir dispute provided there is progress in the talks between the two nuclear-armed neighbours, an official in a background briefing to journalists said on Tuesday.

“We are not seeking hostility with India for the next 100 years. The new policy seeks peace with immediate neighbours,” the official said, adding if there was a dialogue and progress in it, there would be a possibility of normalising trade and commercial ties with India as it had happened in the past.
Relations between Pakistan and India have been at a virtual standstill since August 2019, when India revoked the special status of the disputed territory. Pakistan, in reaction to the Indian move, downgraded diplomatic ties and suspended bilateral trade with India.
In February last year, there were some hopes of a breakthrough when the two sides agreed to restore the ceasefire understanding along the Line of Control (LoC) but the process could not make further headway.
Also read: Cabinet approves Pakistan’s first-ever National Security Policy: NSA

'From geo-strategic to geo-economics'

As the new national security policy seeks a shift in Pakistan’s approach from geo-strategic to geo-economics, there is a renewed optimism of a possible thaw with India. “Economic security will be the central theme of the new national security policy,” the official disclosed. Similarly, economic diplomacy and peace with immediate neighbours would be the central theme of the country’s foreign policy. “But geo-economics does not necessarily mean we overlook our geo-strategic and geo-political interests,” the official stressed, saying the longstanding Kashmir dispute with India has been identified as a ‘vital national policy’ issue for Pakistan.

The official, however, clarified that there were no prospects of rapprochement with India under the current Modi-led government in New Delhi. The new policy will be formally launched by Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday, the official added. According to the official, this would be the first-ever codified national security policy that would cover both internal security as well as foreign policy. “Only a part of the national security policy will be made public,” the official clarified, saying in the rest of the world such policies often remained classified.
The official said though Pakistan did have defence, foreign and internal policies, the new policy would act as an “umbrella document” providing direction for the future. It took seven years to prepare this policy, which was started by then-national security adviser Sartaj Aziz in 2014.
“Inputs were taken from all the federal, provincial institutions as well as military and other departments,” the official maintained.

However, the official when asked said the opposition was not taken on board since the policymaking was the domain of the executive. Nevertheless, the official admitted that such a document would need a consensus. “For this purpose, we are ready to sit with opposition on this,” the official added.
When National Security Adviser Dr Moeed Yusuf briefed the parliamentary committee on national security a few weeks ago, the opposition boycotted the session.
When asked to comment on the implementation of the policy, the official said the classified document lays out a complete implementation mechanism and the prime minister will review the progress on a monthly basis. The policy will be reviewed every year and at the time of change of government, according to the official. The official said the issue of political stability was also taken care of in the new national security policy. Pakistan has a checkered history with no elected prime minister having ever been able to complete his/her five-year term.
The new policy also deals with the issue of militant and dissident groups and advocates dialogue with ‘reconcilable elements.’ Similarly, the policy has identified “intellectual expression” as key for the progress and prosperity of society. On the internal front, the new policy identifies five key areas that include population/migration, health, climate and water, food security and gender mainstreaming.




positive news?

@Imran Khan @RealNapster @Reichsmarschall @Sudarshan @Areesh @SQ8

I always quote the saying of Imam Ali : Stay close to your friends and very close to your enemy.
 

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It is very interesting that Pakistani establishment feels that it will not be possible for rapprochement with Modi.

Modi is likely to get reelected in 2026. Once the new Parliament is completed, the seats in Indian Parliament will get refactored to account for population growth in the last 50 years. This will double the seats allocated to UP and Hindi belt - that's a guarantee to get Yogi elected as Modi's successor for the foreseeable future. Yogi will make Modi seem like a liberal air head :laugh:

Makes one wonder if the Pakistani establishment has thought this through in their policy :azn:

Funny thing is that many posters are taking this so-called policy document quite seriously. :lol:

Peace between India and Pakistan is close to impossible, unless some catastrophic calamity falls on either or both of the countries and impending circumstances force a resolution.

As for such policy documents, these are good exercises in English drafting. :p:
 

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ISLAMABAD:
Peace with immediate neighbours and economic diplomacy will be the central theme of the country’s foreign policy in the new National Security Policy, scheduled to be unveiled on Friday.
The original 100-page policy, which would be kept under wraps, leaves the door open for trade and business ties with India without final settlement of the longstanding Kashmir dispute provided there is progress in the talks between the two nuclear-armed neighbours, an official in a background briefing to journalists said on Tuesday.

“We are not seeking hostility with India for the next 100 years. The new policy seeks peace with immediate neighbours,” the official said, adding if there was a dialogue and progress in it, there would be a possibility of normalising trade and commercial ties with India as it had happened in the past.
Relations between Pakistan and India have been at a virtual standstill since August 2019, when India revoked the special status of the disputed territory. Pakistan, in reaction to the Indian move, downgraded diplomatic ties and suspended bilateral trade with India.
In February last year, there were some hopes of a breakthrough when the two sides agreed to restore the ceasefire understanding along the Line of Control (LoC) but the process could not make further headway.
Also read: Cabinet approves Pakistan’s first-ever National Security Policy: NSA

'From geo-strategic to geo-economics'

As the new national security policy seeks a shift in Pakistan’s approach from geo-strategic to geo-economics, there is a renewed optimism of a possible thaw with India. “Economic security will be the central theme of the new national security policy,” the official disclosed. Similarly, economic diplomacy and peace with immediate neighbours would be the central theme of the country’s foreign policy. “But geo-economics does not necessarily mean we overlook our geo-strategic and geo-political interests,” the official stressed, saying the longstanding Kashmir dispute with India has been identified as a ‘vital national policy’ issue for Pakistan.

The official, however, clarified that there were no prospects of rapprochement with India under the current Modi-led government in New Delhi. The new policy will be formally launched by Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday, the official added. According to the official, this would be the first-ever codified national security policy that would cover both internal security as well as foreign policy. “Only a part of the national security policy will be made public,” the official clarified, saying in the rest of the world such policies often remained classified.
The official said though Pakistan did have defence, foreign and internal policies, the new policy would act as an “umbrella document” providing direction for the future. It took seven years to prepare this policy, which was started by then-national security adviser Sartaj Aziz in 2014.
“Inputs were taken from all the federal, provincial institutions as well as military and other departments,” the official maintained.

However, the official when asked said the opposition was not taken on board since the policymaking was the domain of the executive. Nevertheless, the official admitted that such a document would need a consensus. “For this purpose, we are ready to sit with opposition on this,” the official added.
When National Security Adviser Dr Moeed Yusuf briefed the parliamentary committee on national security a few weeks ago, the opposition boycotted the session.
When asked to comment on the implementation of the policy, the official said the classified document lays out a complete implementation mechanism and the prime minister will review the progress on a monthly basis. The policy will be reviewed every year and at the time of change of government, according to the official. The official said the issue of political stability was also taken care of in the new national security policy. Pakistan has a checkered history with no elected prime minister having ever been able to complete his/her five-year term.
The new policy also deals with the issue of militant and dissident groups and advocates dialogue with ‘reconcilable elements.’ Similarly, the policy has identified “intellectual expression” as key for the progress and prosperity of society. On the internal front, the new policy identifies five key areas that include population/migration, health, climate and water, food security and gender mainstreaming.




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Good move by Pakistan.

But india is a problem , with it's rabid anti muslim and hate driven RSS hindu ideology
 

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The hybrid regime has achieved what the likes of NS can never even imagine achieving lest the likes of Difa e Pakistan council spring up at every nook and cranny of the country. Congratulations to the nation now that Pakistan has accepted Indian hegemony. India can now in peace go about the task of bleeding Pakistan through proxy wars, converting the Muslim majority into a minority in Kashmir valley unleashing a mix of the ruthless slaughter on any form of resistance and settler colonialism. Pakistan will continue picking the carcasses of its fallen soldiers in Ex Fata and Balochistan.

Some used to say democracy is really the best revenge, well, pseudo-democracy is worse than revenge.
You are forgetting a much more potent and bigger proxy war India and NATO had unleashed in Pakistan during Mushy and Kiyani's time, bomb blasts, targeted killings, assassinations and suicide bombings were almost a daily occurrence back then.

Today's isolated attacks on remote check posts are insignificant compared to the deaths and destruction that was being unleashed back then.
 

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I don't know who you are but you are talking about someone who knows about what ends with them and what is in their inventory but you are speaking here as if they have alien technology that I know nothing of...

Besides I am not blind why use the color??

You come off like an Indian whos ego was hurt..

We defeated them Indians in 48 and 65 and took from them an area larger then Austria while our population was only 20m and theirs 500m talk about overachieving..

You are talking about technology that is not even existing on the map... I know what they have rest assured when I say they don't have edge on us anywhere.

You picked the Bangladesh indenpendence war and added alot of hyperbole Pakistan lost Bangladesh when they started treating them poorly and besides they wanted their own country it was unfeasible for us but I admit that was a stragetic defeat but we took from them a large territory despite being outnumbered and defeated them in 65' and also not to forget last war we had was half a century ago.. 99 was not a conflict just a skirmish..

They have never defeated us on the western front and times have changed today we have stragetic depth and the upper hand against them.. This much we are assured off..

Next war we ain't fighting for small territories but at the friction of miscalculation we will go for everything..


Forget about them even if they were to gather a coalition we will not be overcome in this territory and bearing in mind that we have prepared everything including building the stragetic depth with it's installations... We will dig our asses deep into mountains and dug out ourselves positions and shelters.. Even nuclear outfall will not damage us like it would others... But as long we prepare ourselves nothing will overcome us... If our preparations is setup right we can fuk up a huge coalition not only them hence my hint they won't be our toughest war...

This is KHORASAN...
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1. Color used to let you know which part is answered with what text.
2. 1965 War .... You wanna talk about that ... Here is something for you. Get a copy and start reading as I can see you need it badly.
https://www.worldcat.org/title/illusion-of-victory-a-military-history-of-the-indo-pak-war-1965/oclc/301703235
3. Please care to explain which technology is not even existing on the map, and I am talking about it?
4. Strategic depth ... Where ... Afghanistan? First sort out TTP and then we will talk about that.
5. After all the platitudes, you have an "IF" in your assertion and that too in bold. WoW!
5. I am not an Indian but a Pakistani who used to love Nasim Hijazi's novels, but then I grew up and began to see world and history from a realist perspective.

But I would not drag this any longer ... as I have seen the depth of your analysis.
 

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1. Color used to let you know which part is answered with what text.
2. 1965 War .... You wanna talk about that ... Here is something for you. Get a copy and start reading as I can see you need it badly.
https://www.worldcat.org/title/illusion-of-victory-a-military-history-of-the-indo-pak-war-1965/oclc/301703235
3. Please care to explain which technology is not even existing on the map, and I am talking about it?
4. Strategic depth ... Where ... Afghanistan? First sort out TTP and then we will talk about that.
5. After all the platitudes, you have an "IF" in your assertion and that too in bold. WoW!
5. I am not an Indian but a Pakistani who used to love Nasim Hijazi's novels, but then I grew up and began to see world and history from a realist perspective.

But I would not drag this any longer ... as I have seen the depth of your analysis.

You got hurt and you were answering from an Indian perspective who got butthurt..

I don't read Nasim nor do I believe in him.. I never read anything with him.. TTP is not AFG our relationship with IEA is good.. They give us the needed life-line stragetic depth.

We beat them in 1965 I don't give a shxt about some botched up revisionism paid by the Indians the world historical encyclopedia it has it as draw this is the official stance not the Pakistani or Indian.. But we beat them in that war based on the fact that we were much smaller then them in numbers back in 1965 which counts for something.. That is why I say we won but technically it was a draw.. population wise we were only like 40m or something like that they were 600m


You were the one talking about they are getting TECHNOLOGY yada yada.. I follow their defense industry closely and I am aware of what they have and what they don't have but you were talking as if they have alien technology I am unaware of :lol: They even recently renewed their rifles because they were rusty:lol: Do you know why they did that? because they found out that the IEA had better gear then them:rofl:

We can end it here but it was you who went on and on..
 
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1. Color used to let you know which part is answered with what text.
2. 1965 War .... You wanna talk about that ... Here is something for you. Get a copy and start reading as I can see you need it badly.
https://www.worldcat.org/title/illusion-of-victory-a-military-history-of-the-indo-pak-war-1965/oclc/301703235
3. Please care to explain which technology is not even existing on the map, and I am talking about it?
4. Strategic depth ... Where ... Afghanistan? First sort out TTP and then we will talk about that.
5. After all the platitudes, you have an "IF" in your assertion and that too in bold. WoW!
5. I am not an Indian but a Pakistani who used to love Nasim Hijazi's novels, but then I grew up and began to see world and history from a realist perspective.

But I would not drag this any longer ... as I have seen the depth of your analysis.
Dude seriously stop quoting him
He is not a serious character, everyone knows that
You're wasting your time here

and gov is doing right thing push it around till further notice build up, build connections so you get credible defense in your connections itself(become too important for the world in providing connections and India itself- we are the gateway to euroasia)
And than look for proper opportunities something like 62 or do a deal down the line where Kashmir gets proper autonomy and is acceptable to Kashmiris and ofcourse water concern's come with it too
Whatever comes first

Basically China route (a 1000 times harder for us to do tbvh but still)
If there's a good opportunity where you have 9/10 chance pulling a fast one go ahead
But till than be like china of 90s, we honestly have done good given our circumstances but can make it even better with a smarter policy change (that we don't know about as it's a state secret they're only going to show the "good" part for the world)
 
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He is not a serious character, everyone knows that

The guy who has left over nearly 4000 posts in just 5 months here is saying I am not a serious character really? You have been spamming this place.. Go out for a walk sometimes...

We will not be anything like China in the 90s.. But a belligerent foe that is hostile and aggressive.. We promise alot of hostility and nothing but that and some more of it..

We believe in deterence via sheer strength everything else is non-sense we believe in sheer brute strength nothing more and that is why they are deterred in their tracks and won't move.... There is no charity here and especially from these gangus they understand the langauges of risk
 
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