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More needs to be done to secure the border:



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...on-on-the-afghanistan-pakistan-border-taliban


Afghan Taliban would not crack down on TTP bases in Nangarhar province, east of Kabul.

“In the beginning, Pakistani authorities believed the Taliban would serve Pakistan’s interests and [not] allow militants to use its soil against Pakistan. But it does not seem to be the case any more,” he said, adding that the extremists were emboldened by the Taliban’s victory in Afghanistan and aspired to do the same in Pakistan.

Pakistan started fencing the porous border in 2014 to contain cross-border terrorist attacks and smuggling. It says it has fenced more than 90% of the border, but Hussain said militants were able to enter Pakistan and carry out attacks where the border remained unchecked and unfenced.

In at least three separate incidents, Talib fighters have been seen breaking the fencing and threatening Pakistani soldiers in border areas.

In one widely shared video from 19 December, a Talib commander in Nangarhar is heard saying to Pakistani soldiers: “If you come a step further, I will fight you here. We are happy to fight you.” A similar incident was recorded last year on 30 December in Nimruz, a province in south-west Afghanistan.

The Taliban’s defence ministry spokesperson said in a video posted to Twitter in January that Pakistan had no right to fence the border and divide ethnic Pashtuns living on either side.

Amid mounting clashes and tensions on the border, Pakistan’s national security adviser, Moeed Yusuf, visited Afghanistan for two days on 29 January. Both countries announced plans to form a high-level committee to address the issue.

Drawn by the British empire, the 2,640km (1,640-mile) land border between Afghanistan and Pakistan has been perpetually disputed.

Abubakar Siddique, an author and expert on Pakistan and Afghanistan, said that after the Taliban – an Islamist group – seized power, many in Pakistan thought they would not behave as an Afghan nationalist group. He said people were wrong to make such an assumption.

“The anti-Pakistan sentiments are high in Afghanistan because of Islamabad’s perceived role as a main driver of instability. In addition, no Afghan government has ever formally accepted the Durand Line as a permanent border, which remains a highly emotional issue,” he said.

“Their actions along the Durand Line aim at gaining domestic legitimacy. The Taliban also want to do away with the almost universal perception that they are a Pakistani proxy group.”

The Taliban are not only seeking domestic legitimacy amid a humanitarian crisis – a more porous border benefits their financial interests.

A Pakistani government official posted on the Afghan border anonymously told the Guardian that “as many of the areas have been fenced, we have seen a decrease in human and drug smuggling. Of course, the Taliban benefit from these illegal businesses and now the smugglers use different routes where there is no fencing.”
 

Vapnope

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So Pakistan is willing to tolerate a restive western border...as a price of doing business to make sure Indians don't use Afghanistan. This suits India fine. A restive border is better than a peaceful one.
We don't have many options in Afghanistan. The former option actively harmed Pakistan the latter passively would. It is always going to be a trade off.
 

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War is like oxygen to Afghans. Because fighting is the only thing they are good at and nothing else.
No war , means no purpose for their sorry lives.
Until the time , glorifying of savagery is discouraged in their culture, coming out of one-war and then creating another , will continue.

They're not even good at fighting. If you think Taliban actually *fought* the US, they didn't. Think about it, Taliban never had direct battle engagements with US forces except for the begining when US invaded Afghanistan. Those battles were defensive since Taliban just wanted to hold the territory so they could escape to Pakistan.

After that, they had ZERO engagement with US Army except for IED attacks and attacking the Pro US Afghan militias. They simply waited for the US to get exhausted and begin to realize that it's investment on Afghan militias is useless.

People were comparing them with NVA (North Vietnamese Army) while NVA always had direct engagements with the US slitting their blood to the core which forced US to step out.
 

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Pakistan should take a leaf out of India's LTTE lesson in this specific case

at first LTTE also danced to the Indian tunes
but then slowly and steadily they just went out of control

You cant control such a diverse militia
add to that the complexity of narcotics trade
Taliban has not been under direct US-Pakistani control since the end of the cold war. What influence was there in 2001 was lost post 9/11. Now Talibs are only friendly because Pakistan is the most powerful country in the region and Afghanistan is the least powerful.
 

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As soon as you turned your back they were cursing you
Pretty much this, they may be "good" in general but they want the destruction of your state...

Easy assets of foreign intelligence agencies, fuel sectarianism divide, crime, and unneeded population growth.
 

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I do not trust the source sponsored by Mi6 . these low level Commanders are not a real threat . and especially when the TTP is in majority in Kunar , Nooristan and some parts of Paktia . it will be dealt with diplomatically through dialogue.
Its not in our interest to open a new front just because some tom, dick, harry or RAMU sponsored article wants us to do so.
What you are saying is right.
 

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No need for Pakistan to get sucked into the Afghan daldal. We can still have an uneasy relationship which is due to our own behaviour after 9/11. Mullah Abdul Ghani Biradar was in Pakistani jail. Mullah Abdus Salam Zaeef, the Ambassador in Pakistan was handed over to the US and spent time in Guantanamo. They will not forget it that easily. However we must have a reconciliation with the Afghan Taliban in order for the cross border attacks to stop. For reconciliation we have to send some one that they trust. If Gen. Hameed Gul was alive today then he would have calmed them down successfully. His son Abdullah Gull is also active in Pakistani politics and has good relations with the religious groups.
 

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I see a lot of BS lately terming the new Afghan govt. the same as TTP... I want to ask how much time they have had there in first place that you expect them to solidify their governance in those areas.. Have we been able to fix governance issues in our own remote areas?
Furthermore we all know IEA is not a monolith a faction of them do sympathize with TTP however thats a fringe group..
Since IEA granted immunity to ALL upon arrival so that they could stop infighting it conflicted their promise to stop their land from being used against neighbors.
Dont burn your bridges..
Pakistan should continue using firepower both kinetic and clandestine to take care of this nuisance and at the same time use IEA to engage with them to give up and wrap up.
 

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That is what precisely it is. Taliban are deemed to be a lesser evil.

And this is what everyone needs to understand

They are the LESSER EVIL, they are still the Taliban and they are still afghans

But a isolated Taliban and Afghanistan is better then a ethnocentric Afghan regime connected to multiple enemies openly plotting against us with india
 

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Somehow, after reading all the comments, i feel that majority of members are just doing "what the doctor ordered". Gentlemen, lets not fall into this trap.

Everybody, just be cool, pay close attention towards what is being played. Its a diversion.

Most of the members are being played....our enemies are drawing your eye towards something else, a non-essential, a non-issue. Play smart, look through the "fog of war".
 

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More needs to be done to secure the border:



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...on-on-the-afghanistan-pakistan-border-taliban


Afghan Taliban would not crack down on TTP bases in Nangarhar province, east of Kabul.

“In the beginning, Pakistani authorities believed the Taliban would serve Pakistan’s interests and [not] allow militants to use its soil against Pakistan. But it does not seem to be the case any more,” he said, adding that the extremists were emboldened by the Taliban’s victory in Afghanistan and aspired to do the same in Pakistan.

Pakistan started fencing the porous border in 2014 to contain cross-border terrorist attacks and smuggling. It says it has fenced more than 90% of the border, but Hussain said militants were able to enter Pakistan and carry out attacks where the border remained unchecked and unfenced.

In at least three separate incidents, Talib fighters have been seen breaking the fencing and threatening Pakistani soldiers in border areas.

In one widely shared video from 19 December, a Talib commander in Nangarhar is heard saying to Pakistani soldiers: “If you come a step further, I will fight you here. We are happy to fight you.” A similar incident was recorded last year on 30 December in Nimruz, a province in south-west Afghanistan.

The Taliban’s defence ministry spokesperson said in a video posted to Twitter in January that Pakistan had no right to fence the border and divide ethnic Pashtuns living on either side.

Amid mounting clashes and tensions on the border, Pakistan’s national security adviser, Moeed Yusuf, visited Afghanistan for two days on 29 January. Both countries announced plans to form a high-level committee to address the issue.

Drawn by the British empire, the 2,640km (1,640-mile) land border between Afghanistan and Pakistan has been perpetually disputed.

Abubakar Siddique, an author and expert on Pakistan and Afghanistan, said that after the Taliban – an Islamist group – seized power, many in Pakistan thought they would not behave as an Afghan nationalist group. He said people were wrong to make such an assumption.

“The anti-Pakistan sentiments are high in Afghanistan because of Islamabad’s perceived role as a main driver of instability. In addition, no Afghan government has ever formally accepted the Durand Line as a permanent border, which remains a highly emotional issue,” he said.

“Their actions along the Durand Line aim at gaining domestic legitimacy. The Taliban also want to do away with the almost universal perception that they are a Pakistani proxy group.”

The Taliban are not only seeking domestic legitimacy amid a humanitarian crisis – a more porous border benefits their financial interests.

A Pakistani government official posted on the Afghan border anonymously told the Guardian that “as many of the areas have been fenced, we have seen a decrease in human and drug smuggling. Of course, the Taliban benefit from these illegal businesses and now the smugglers use different routes where there is no fencing.”
If China breaks the North Indian states away, then there will be no or few attacks on Pakistan from the western side. And for Iran, Pakistan should clean the Irani Networks within Pakistan which include Money exchanges, the local traders who get money from Iran (I know one of them), groups like Sipah e Mohammad, the guys who frequently visit Iran or Iraq, the activities of Khana e Ferhangs in Pakistan, all Iran backed politicians or the politicians who are backed by the ones who are backed by Iran(Altaf Hussain, Asif Ali Zardari, Bhutto khandan and similar) should be taken back from politics.

Dushman dushman hai, and the one who burns your home or tries to is not your friend.
So basically, 7 sisters, Ladakh and Jammu-Kashmir in India, and Iran on the front that I just mentioned. 80% of the Pakistanis security issues will be solved. After that, some cleaning and realigning of a few socio-economic things within Pakistan and around Pakistan will do the trick.
 
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