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Washington is proposing that it's time to kick Turkey out of NATO over it's view on Finland & Sweden

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EU alone has 1.8 millions militaries, USA has 1.3 millions... Most of them professionals... Turkey is a draft army,

Only American and Turkish Armies are fighting against terrorism , urban warfare and guerilla tactics since 1990s

and other noob NATO armies are only training ( zero real war experience )


even Turkish Police Special Forces are far better than noob European Armies
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even in the world only Turkish Police use UCAVs and Attack Helicopters to fight terrorism
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and Turkish Gendarmerie with 155.00+ staff ( full of professional )
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and Turkish Army 229.000 professional soldiers
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so Turkish Army is the strongest Army in NATO after the US Army

-- great real war experience
-- quality and quantity
-- superior weapons and fire power

Turkish Army has more UCAVs than all Europe combined
Turkish Army has more Howitzers than British+French+German+İtalian Armies combined
Turkish Army has more MLRS than British+French+German+İtalian Armies combined
Turkish Army has more Ballistic and Cruise Missiles than British+French+German+İtalian Armies combined


and Turkish Defense Industry produce all weapons for the Turkish Army
in NATO only USA,Turkiye,France can do it
 
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Umair Nawaz

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They won’t, NATO would collapse without the Turkish Military. They are the second largest army in NATO and the only way to keep the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Check.
yeah i agree, with this Ukraine war, ie not sending US troops to safeguard the sovereignty of Ukr even after guaranteeing them when they surrendered their nukes tells a lot.

The reality is, NATO minus US is just a Hoch poach of small European countries, which do not have neither resources such as manpower, financial cloud to sustain a military which can realistically stop Russia.

So thats why they need someone larger and more resourceful to fight their battles. US and then Turkey play that role. Also Turkey is in a very strategic location viz a viz Russia because of the Bosporus straits.

Frankly, it will be their own loss. Ignore this American Sabre Rattling, they have found new confidence with containing the Russians in Ukr through military aide, after their and NATO's humiliation in Afghanistan!

But how long will this confidence will last.....is a good question. given that they r in decline as a power.
 

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I was talking about him specifically


Well that's what your idiotic rants need. Because you never stop ranting when people talk to you in a serious and respectful manner.
East Asians are as light skin as most whites but won't catch us dead saying we are 'white'. Its sad that some people in the world wants so much to be in the white club lol. Inferiority complex is what it is.
 

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US should move its nukes out of Incirlik then. Place them in Ukraine (once in NATO) or Baltics.

EuroNations will also need to raise 500k soldiers to fill the void left by Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri. Let’s see who signs up for that.
 

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Good for Turkey, maybe some short term financial problems, but they can now fully jump into the China and Russia camp, better news for Pakistan.
 
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Turkey is the southern gate of Europe and will not allow Turkey to withdraw from NATO. Eventually compromise with each other.
 

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The relevant part(NATO's expansion, regional peace, fight against terrorism etc) of the interview Erdogan gave to the press today:

Q: The Swedish and Finnish delegation was in Turkey recently and negotiations were held. Were Turkey's concerns resolved during the talks? On the other hand, is it expected to take a step towards the extradition of terrorists?

"They (he means Sweden) have expectations, but they have not taken the necessary steps regarding Turkey, and they are still carrying terrorists around the streets of Stockholm, Sweden, as a political message, during the process we are holding these talks with."

"They secures them with their own police. In fact, on the evening of the day we held the meeting, they do all kinds of wrong things to us by making the terrorist called Salih Muslim talk on Swedish state television, and they continue their negative attitudes and approaches in defense agreements and so on."

"They are not honest, they are not sincere. We cannot repeat the mistake made in the past regarding the countries that embrace and feed such terrorists in NATO, which is a security organization. What was that? In particular, Greece had left NATO in the past, and the Turkish administration of that time paved the way for Greece to join NATO again. Greece was saying the same things, they said that nothing would happen. Look, at the moment, Greece owes Europe 400 billion euros, more, nothing less. 5 plus 4, ie 9, the US currently has a base in Greece. So, against whom are these bases being established, why are these bases there? What they are saying is: 'Against Russia...' They are lying, they are not being honest. "

"In the face of all this, their attitude towards Turkey is obvious. Here's what Mitsotakis did the other day. In America, they opened the doors of the House of Representatives and the Senate and made them speak there. Did they applaud in this speech's parts related to Turkey? They applauded. Have F16s been brought up again in all these events? It was brought. We believe that a Muslim cannot be stung once again. They put us through this hole once, we won't do it again. As long as Tayyip Erdogan is the president of the Republic of Turkey, we cannot say 'yes' to countries that support terrorism to join NATO."


Q: How do you think Sweden and Finland's request and process to join NATO affect the hope for the end of the war between Russia and Ukraine or for the war to end?

Of course, first of all, Russia does not look at these things positively and the whole world knows this. The Finnish issue is particularly disturbing for Russia. Why? Because the border… Since it is a border country, Russia does not take kindly to Finland's entry into NATO for once. In fact, historically, Russia did not favor the entry of any of the Scandinavian countries into NATO.

It is in our hearts and best wish that this war between Russia and Ukraine will come to an end with peace as soon as possible, but it seems that this business continues in a more negative way with each passing day. On Monday, I will have phone calls with both Russia and Ukraine leaders. Dialogue between delegations continues. We will continue to encourage the parties to operate channels of dialogue and diplomacy.

Q: There is a position that Turkey has taken regarding the membership of Finland and Sweden to NATO. Some opposition in Turkey also have an attitude towards this, that is, they have an attitude towards the reservations we have made. Ünal Çeviköz (an opposition parliamentarian) gave an interview to a newspaper in Finland and said that it was a tactical mistake. According to him, the tactical error was our voicing of our security concerns. From this point of view, what would you like to say about the general approach of the opposition in Turkey on this issue?

"Of course, we have not learned until today what the tactical truths of the opposition in Turkey are. It is also not possible to understand what they meaning when are saying "tactically wrong". Moreover, the person who made this statement made statements against Azerbaijan when Karabakh war broke out, although he had served in Azerbaijan in the past. Therefore, it is not possible to understand the direction in which their minds, ideas and thoughts work. "

"We think very well about on our tactics and strategies in the steps we take, we do our consultations in the broadest sense and we take our steps accordingly. The people who made Greece re-enter NATO in the past were of the same mindset. Representatives of this mentality also recommended that Greece re-enter NATO in the past. So the real wrong tactic was there. We are paying the price for it now. I hope we will not pay the price again. Of course, let me also say this; It's not just Sweden, it's Finland. If we look at the situation from the perspective of these terrorist organizations, now Germany is making the same mistake, the Netherlands is making the same mistake, and France is making the same mistake. There is no difference between them."

Q: While the Russia-Ukraine war was going on, eyes were turned to Syria with your statement "There may be a new operation". Previously, 4 successful operations were carried out in this region. It's a familiar area. Is the time of the operation near? Looking at the operation area, there are serious terror points on our southern border. It is also a matter of curiosity where the new safe zone will be for these points. At the same time, can you say that this operation could be decisive for the return of 1 million Syrian refugees?

"Of course, it is not possible for us to leave the slightest attack against Turkey from the north of Syria unanswered. Certain terrorist organizations have focal points in northern Syria. These focal points are present in all those regions, from northeast to northwest of Syria. Unfortunately, all coalition forces, especially the USA, are providing serious weapons, tools, equipment and ammunition to these terrorist organizations and they still continue to do so. The USA gave military aids of thousands of trucks. To Whom? PKK, YPG, PYD terrorist organizations. These aids were given to all of them, and it still continues. They even provide training, with US officials to them in the region. Now, while these facts stand out, are we still ignoring them? Just as we have operations against the PKK and its puppies in Northern Iraq, the same situation is much more valid, much more important for Syria. As I always say, one night we could suddenly come on their tops, and we have to. Aren't we going to make them pay the price of our martyrs? Our forces neutralized over 30 terrorists in just two days. Together with those in northern Iraq, we have now neutralized over 100 terrorists. This process will continue, we cannot stop. We will root out terrorism and terrorists."

Q: To date, Turkey has carried out 4 operations in northern Syria as part of the fight against terrorism. Those operations were the ones that the USA opposed every time. Now, as we understand from your statement, a new operation is in front of us. Do you have a contact, diplomatic traffic with the USA regarding this? If yes, how does this process go?

"First of all, everyone has to do their part. America has to do its part, too. If America does not fulfill its duty in the fight against terrorism, they will not leave us any other choice. We'll take care of ourselves. It is not possible to fight against terrorism by obtaining permission from somewhere. We will do what is necessary."

Q : Despite the change of power in Greece, the end of Tsipras' government and the arrival of Mitsotakis, there is not the slightest change in Greece's opposition to Turkey. There are anti-Turkish expressions in Greece's national anthem and curriculum. Do you think it is possible for Greece to normalize while new generations are constantly being raised against Turks in Greece? How do you see the possibility of Greece giving up its anti-Turkish sentiment?

"We ended the High Level Strategic Council Meetings with Greece. What does this mean? It means 'O Greece, tidy yourself up'. You didn't tidy yourself up, so we abolished the High-Level Strategic Council. Miçotakis is no longer my interlocutor as of now. Why? I only deal with people who conduct politics in a honoured personal way."

"You will talk to me, we will eat, you will ask, "Let's not put third countries or persons between us", you will promise this; 15 days will pass after that, you will go to the USA, you will speak against Turkey in the American Congress. Sorry. This is not in our policy understanding. This much armament is this, this, etc.; There is nothing left to be done with those who run this process. There is only one thing to do; We are friends to those who are friends with us, but for one thing, they should know well that we will do what is necessary with those who look at us as the enemy."

Answer to the question asked about the visit to Azerbaijan, and normalizations with Armenia:

"Our support will continue with all its strength for the establishment of transportation links, urbanization and reintegration of Karabakh with the world of production. Our relevant institutions, together with our companies, will continue their joint activities with their Azerbaijani counterparts for the restoration of agricultural lands. In this way, we will contribute to our Azerbaijani brothers' reunion as soon as possible with their ancestral lands, which they have longed for years."

"On the other hand, with the Karabakh Victory, a new era has begun in the Caucasus. This 40 day-epic victory has removed the obstacles to lasting peace and comprehensive normalization in our common geography. We believe that this historic opportunity should not be wasted. We are pleased with the steps taken by Azerbaijan and Armenia to directly resolve the issues between them. As Turkey, we support the efforts of the parties to settle border issues, concludes a peace treaty, and open transport corridors. The success of these efforts is for the benefit of all of us, our entire region. It is particularly gratifying that the border commissions held their first meeting on May 24 and that progress has been made on the Zangezur Corridor. We, too, are sincerely conducting the process of normalizing our relations with Armenia."

"We will continue to increase our solidarity with Azerbaijan for the security and welfare of the region. Together with my brother, I hope, we will carry the friendship and cooperation of the two countries to the top in every field. May my Rab open our way and our luck."

 

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I would argue that there is a 50/50 chance the US will dump all treaties with Turkey. The most important point is that Turkish government dosent understand the Washington administration or how little he cares for treaties with other countries.
 

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So do you have blonde hair and blue eyes or ginger hair?


Going into the classic eugenics race are we. Let's create wwlll and cleanse people master ayrans must rise again.

Master Lord white race have done nothing to aggrieve brown people since post wwll other than bombing, stealing, installing puppets gov, creating coups, interfering and putting extremist theological groups into power.

Then going to Hollywood bashing the brown Muslim man.

Procreate with your sister that's blonde and blue eyes keep the ayran race alive it your duty.
 

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Only American and Turkish Armies are fighting against terrorism , urban warfare and guerilla tactics since 1990s

and other noob NATO armies are only training ( zero real war experience )


even Turkish Police Special Forces are far better than noob European Armies
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even in the world only Turkish Police use UCAVs and Attack Helicopters to fight terrorism
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and Turkish Gendarmerie with 155.00+ staff ( full of professional )
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and Turkish Army 229.000 professional soldiers
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so Turkish Army is the strongest Army in NATO after the US Army

-- great real war experience
-- quality and quantity
-- superior weapons and fire power

Turkish Army has more UCAVs than all Europe combined
Turkish Army has more Howitzers than British+French+German+İtalian Armies combined
Turkish Army has more MLRS than British+French+German+İtalian Armies combined
Turkish Army has more Ballistic and Cruise Missiles than British+French+German+İtalian Armies combined


and Turkish Defense Industry produce all weapons for the Turkish Army
in NATO only USA,Turkiye,France can do it
What use is all this power and weapons when Israel killed your civilians on a ship you did nothing but whimper?
 

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Going into the classic eugenics race are we. Let's create wwlll and cleanse people master ayrans must rise again.

Master Lord white race have done nothing to aggrieve brown people since post wwll other than bombing, stealing, installing puppets gov, creating coups, interfering and putting extremist theological groups into power.

Then going to Hollywood bashing the brown Muslim man.

Procreate with your sister that's blonde and blue eyes keep the ayran race alive it your duty.
Ok Tom-Tom from Britain.

What use is all this power and weapons when Israel killed your civilians on a ship you did nothing but whimper?
I would hug you now,but I can't
 

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