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Was Pankaj Kumar the pilot of 2nd downed plane?

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  1. Jinn Baba

    Jinn Baba SENIOR MEMBER

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    So I recently came across a list of personnel that India claims were killed in the 27/02 Mi17 crash. They were (Source):

    - Wg Cdr Sidharth
    - co-pilot Sqn Ldr Ninad Mandavgane
    - Sgt Vikrant Sehrawat
    - Cpl Pankaj Kumar
    - Cpl Deepak Pandey
    - Cpl Vishal Kumar Pandey

    First it bugged me a little that two senior officers were both flying (pilot and co-pilot) the Mi17. So I decided to look up all the names.

    I noticed that some of the Indian news sites were missing one of the names - like here. The missing name was Pankaj Kumar.

    Searching for Pankaj Kumar, I came across this Hindi news site which has a report dated 27/02/19 @ 6.09PM stating (Google translate):

    No.1 Squadron operate the Mirage 2000, and are the ones that supposedly did the 26/02/19 SirJiKal strikes.

    But the last bit had me thinking - have these guys got it confused? Or is IAF falsely claiming that Pankaj Kumar died in a helicopter accident? Because why would there be three pilots on that Mi17 - that's if Pankaj was a pilot.

    So more searches and I find these:

    Video title claiming Pankaj was a pilot:


    India Today: People console death of IAF pilot Pankaj Kumar who died in chopper crash But then within the article they refer to him as a soldier.

    Need to do more digging, and will do tomorrow on all the names. Not entirely sure if I'm onto anything yet.

    Edit: Missed this out:



    From ANI! Look what it says on the video at the start and then again:

    "Says Slain IAF Pilot's Father"
    "Slain Pilot Pankaj Kumar's Father"

    Indian Media identifies him as a "Pilot" but the IAF identifies him as a "corporal".

    Screenshot_20190321-110947_YouTube.jpg


    And then even the father does gol mol from 15s.

    Photo of Pankaj Kumar.

    Screenshot_20190321-110850_Chrome.jpg
     
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  2. khansaheeb

    khansaheeb SENIOR MEMBER

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    Good detective work, keep it up.
     
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    Good detective work, I think the ISPR would be put out a bit, because Mr Ghafoor would want to be telling this info in a future press conference.

    Take this with the modi comment that "if only we had the rafael, things could have been different" and a picture is being built up.
     
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    @Rafi what ur titbit about second indain jet? I mean is it Su or mirage 2000? Plus what ur take our future jet procurement any F16s new one we drop bone to Trump for new jets so they keep mouth completely shut. along with China no need to buy Russian jets they r useless.
     
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    @Jinn Baba good work. It is confirming what I have always thought 3 fighters kills + Mi17 by PAF.
    They have to conceal the real circumstances their pilots died, i.e. shoot down, so they included their names in crash of the copter. Makes perfect sense.
     
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    WC Punkaj nahbar was mig 21 pilot too died same day. My take there could be pair of Mig 21 intercepter WC abhinandon and WC punjag Nahbar.Good work keep digging.

    He said about wing commander punjak Nahbar nor carpol punkaj.
     
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    As I have always said Indian intelligence is so fucking stupid. On one hand they claim the chopper came down due to technical fault on the other hand they instruct one of the fallen's father to demand revenge his son's death from Pakistan, why?

    by the way thanks for confirming chopper was also brought down by PAF.


     
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    Maybe the BVR caused a little confusion , maybe it locked on to the wrong target and brought down a heli instead.
     
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    In the IAF, Wing refers to the IAF stations and is not synonymous with AF Squadrons. Wing 1 refers to Srinagar, home to the 51 squadron
     
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    The MI-17 was sent to rescue a dwned Indian pilot
     
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    Someone needs to properly translate this article for whatever its worth. The pilot's name is misspelt 3 times and it says that the "Miraj" has a crew of six
     
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    IAF has multiple Pankaj Kumars, as per BR. Most of them are in the administrative and engineering branches but these three are fighter pilots. However, in the video the father is stating his son joined the IAF 7 years ago, so in 2012 which is later than the ones below.

    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Database/22666
    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Database/25349
    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Database/30211

    I would also say a rank of Wng Cmdr is probably not achievable in that short of a time span. So most likely the news is wrong and the poor chap might not have been a pilot at all and the media got confused him with Abhinandan
     
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    J1OC and 5th Gen and second bird was a Su.
     
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    Here it is using google translate.

    https://www.policenewsup.com/in-the-mig-21-aircraft-crashed-wc-pankaj-nahbar-was-martyred


    This is confirming a crash of Mig 21 on the same day in Badgam. It seems the Indian jets were dying like flies on that day in Badgam, same time when PAF was conducting operations.
    Coincidences!! Off course not.
    So the score so far, according to Indian Press reports 2 Mig 21 were sent to intercept, both were downed by PAF. 100% record against Migs.
     
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    In last video 00:58 the guy answer to some one's question about rank, 'Yeh copal thay, Airforce ki eik rank hoti hai copal.'
    So if he is telling the truth then definitely Pankaj Kumar was not a pilot.
    On the other hand his demand to revenge Pakistan for a crashed helicopter of technical fault is an important point to consider that the helicopter was also shot down by PAF.
     
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