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The reality is that current US military is geared toward fighting insurgents with inferior support. The current US military force is too dependent on their air support, air surveillance , medevac , armour, etc. and the last time US supply line was ever threatened was back then in WW2 where germany contest the sealanes via their UBoats..

in a war between modern nation like china or russia or iran, US military will not have such luxuries, Air will be contested heavily and their supply lines will be threatened whether its land or sea lines. Do not for instance think US military will fight the same kind of war (with UAV loitering 24 hours, Helicopter air assault anywhere with impunity, Attack Helo and Gunship support anytime) with enemies that have the same kind of weapons.

American dependence on Air power is also their greatest strength and their weakness at the same time. take their air superiority and their ground force will suffer horrible losses thats unsustainable given the lack of numbers in US ground forces.

American dependence on their fire support / altilery that currently never seriously contested will face an enemy that will also have massive amount of altillery that can hit american ground troops and do counter battery fire against US altilery. Their current 'firebase' doctrine that was used against insurgent wont be sustainable in a real war.

American dependence on their big and long logistical trail will also be contested in a real war. Anyone who studied the War int he Gulf will also notice that the massive logistical trail for supporting armored thrust. Cut or interdict this line and the front line troops will be stopped due to lack of POL/Ammo.

No sane commander would try Air Assaulting the enemy force that have numerous amount of MANPADS airdefense.. Even a heavy machine gun (12.7 and above) will down US Helo transports and gunships, not to mention the man portable SAM.

If a band of bearded yahoos could kick American *** in Afghanistan for the past 10 years, how do Americans consider themselves the strongest military power and play policemen to the world?

They need to come down from their high horse, banish arrogance, and face reality instead of living in a world of make-believe.

Take away american air support and fire support and pit them against any armies from great nations like iran, india, pakistan and they will lost the battle because they depend too much on exteranl support. US Ground forces are designed with assumption that US will have air superiority, thus they can be smaller in numbers but effective. Take out that supporting elements and it will fail badly.

case of overconfidence : The rout of SAS mobile formation in iraq desert when their land rover equipped SAS soldiers was attacked by iraqi APC and armour and altilery. Without air support the SAS formation scatter into the desert in defeat.
 

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The reality is that current US military is geared toward fighting insurgents with inferior support. The current US military force is too dependent on their air support, air surveillance , medevac , armour, etc. and the last time US supply line was ever threatened was back then in WW2 where germany contest the sealanes via their UBoats...

This is wrong..the opposite is true. The US military is geared towards fighting army vs army. The US can destroy a large army like Saddam's in weeks...but when it comes to insurgencies it goes into years.

Anytime you are fighting a battle thousands of miles from your country you will be overly dependent on supply lines.
That is just logic. If China tries to fight a land war in Europe they will be just as dependent on their supply chain as the US is.
Are you going to say they are overly dependent on their supply lines? Well yeah of course they will be! But name another country on this planet that has better supply capability than the US?
 

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This is wrong..the opposite is true. The US military is geared towards fighting army vs army. The US can destroy a large army like Saddam's in weeks...but when it comes to insurgencies it goes into years.

Anytime you are fighting a battle thousands of miles from your country you will be overly dependent on supply lines.
That is just logic. If China tries to fight a land war in Europe they will be just as dependent on their supply chain as the US is.
Are you going to say they are overly dependent on their supply lines? Well yeah of course they will be! But name another country on this planet that has better supply capability than the US?

just another example of a man blinded by the myth of US military superiority. No amount of truth will make your eyes open unless you try to seek it yourself.

Soo many US citizen believed in this myth , until they met their fate in american teutoburg forest and despair..
 

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just another example of a man blinded by the myth of US military superiority. No amount of truth will make your eyes open unless you try to seek it yourself.

Soo many US citizen believed in this myth , until they met their fate in american teutoburg forest and despair..

Replace all your references to the US in your above analysis with any other country in the same scenarios and tell me the answer will magically change?
 

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Replace all your references to the US in your above analysis with any other country in the same scenarios and tell me the answer will magically change?

Very true, but that wont fit his/her narrative.

in addition.. This 'supposedly' new member is possibly someone who is familiar here, but under a different alias. Looking at all his/her post patterns in various threads and his/her America bash posting style, it looks like it's a strong possibility.
 
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Who the heck said we are invincible????
If we were we'd be CA wrapping things up in days instead of years.
Then why on earth do you start wars at the drop of a hat? From the Middle East to the color revolutions in CAR from Iraq to Afghanistan! Why the heck can't you guys just stay at home and watch TV instead?
 

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i wouldn't trust the myth of american military superiority that was trumpeted in US media since 1991. There's a reason why US do not rush to attack Iran , which is pretty small country compared to china (military wise). Because US cannot guarantee that iran will respond conventionally.. what if iran goes for the unconventional method , hitting US in their own soil with terrorism or US bases around the world ? What if North Korea uses the iranian incident to provoke south korea and thus divide US attention ?

a conflict or total war with China or any other Nuclear capable nation , is foolishness.. and i dont think US got the will to go all out after one of their base / city is nuked.

In warfare, its always the will to fight that matters, not your military relative strength.. In vietnam, the NVA took enormous loses but still bleed US dry until its defeated and shamed all around the world..

Yes , please continue to think we are not a capable and superior military.

If a band of bearded yahoos could kick American *** in Afghanistan for the past 10 years, how do Americans consider themselves the strongest military power and play policemen to the world?

They need to come down from their high horse, banish arrogance, and face reality instead of living in a world of make-believe.

more of your american deranged syndrome. If going in, regime changing a country, sitting in there for 10 years... killing the enemy at a ratio of 100 - 200- 300:1 is called being owned by bearded lot... then have at your delusionals.
 

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Yes , please continue to think we are not a capable and superior military.

but we don't have a capable and superior military. Our military is not much better than a 3rd world country right now. Especially our Navy! What a complete embarrassment it is :cry:
 

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more of your american deranged syndrome. If going in, regime changing a country, sitting in there for 10 years... killing the enemy at a ratio of 100 - 200- 300:1 is called being owned by bearded lot... then have at your delusionals.
WTF are you trying to say? How about communicating in plain simple English?
 

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"China Threat Theory" bullsh!t, we are "Paper Dragon" ! :cry:
To build MORE ... :butcher:

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China PLA has killed more than 10 times the 2,400 U.S. soldiers you have mentioned during Korean War. So???

How about Vietnam War?

For both wars, China is the one fighting with U.S. directly or indirectly.

Paper or not, if you have the guts again, you can test it again.

You could use that excuse about Iran with any country, You could claim China fears attacking Taiwan because of an unconventional war. Do you really believe that? China (or any other country would say) "if they want unconventional...well...so be it...unconventional it is." They will happily take a bunch of unconventional lumps if the payoff is big enough.

The US went "all out" (including 2 nuclear strikes) because Japan sunk a few of our battleships (all but 1 fixed) and killed 2,400 people in a naval base - that wasn't even in a US state at the time (it was like how Guam is). So don't even try that "i dont think US got the will to go all out after one of their base / city is nuked.". We've already done it for far less.
 

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China PLA has killed more than 10 times the 2,400 U.S. soldiers you have mentioned during Korean War. So???

How about Vietnam War?

For both wars, China is the one fighting with U.S. directly or indirectly.

Paper or not, if you have the guts again, you can test it again.

Hey wait a minute I'm not saying China is a paper tiger. The author and milomonkey are both reading the situation wrong.
 

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