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Not very likely.
Greece does not have the budget to afford F-35s.
Greece has full support of not only west but interestingly Arab monarchs afraid of Ottoman empire revival. They are and shall financially support Greece against Turkey just like Egypt getting heavy financial aid along with military supply.

The Turkish research and projects shall pay off in near future but one worrying factor is perhaps there Air force is still looks to be little bit limited in capabilities with F16s and F4s. They should look for Chinese or Russian option on immediate basis to counter F35s/F16 block V coming soon to Greece. Another main participant is Egypt also now having blend of Russian/French modern jets.
 

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Last time Turkiye was told no, resulted in Tanks, Ships, Drones etc. They just recently said no to drone parts and now there's TB3!! It's the best word in the world for Turkiye.

Same with Pak, no to F-16 led to JF-17.
Infact when they were making nukes they arrogantly said yes!! Supplied everything and laughed it would rust away. Then boom.
 

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Turkey did the right thing.
Israel considers turkey as the biggest threat because of its good military power.
Even after a decade we would have seen US sanctions of Turkey for Israel.
F-35 of turkey could have become egyption F-16s.
 

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The US won't sell their much-vaunted jet to Greece. Greece doesn't have procedural knowledge to make full use of that platform. Turkey, on other hand, can exploit each 'n every strategy of Greece.
 

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Its beyond me that why Turkey is not Pursuing the Nukes ? get the freaking Bomb man, no one will dare touch you then ..
 

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US To Supply Stealth F-35 Jets, Originally Planned For Turkey, To Arch-Foe Greece

Published October 29, 2020
By Aakriti Sharma
The United States has reportedly approved the sale of fifth-generation F-35 stealth fighter jets to Greece almost a month after Greece’s Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis announced a “robust” arms purchase program amid tensions with Turkey in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Greek Estia newspaper has reported that U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo gave a “green light” for the supply of 20 F-35s during his recent visit to Greece. As part of the deal, six jets will be purchased in 2022. Of the 20 fighter jets, six of the F-35s were originally meant for Turkey.

Why Turkey Didn’t Get F-35s?
Turkey was headed to procure 100 of the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II conventional takeoff and landing variants of the Joint Strike Fighter, the same version used by the U.S. Air Force.

With a total Turkish investment of more than $1 billion, 10 Turkish companies were involved in the development/production of the 5th generation aircraft.


Several U.S. congressmen had urged the U.S. administration to suspend the procurement of these fighters to Turkey because of the latter’s decision to buy Russian S-400 advanced air defense systems.

The US concern was that the Turkish procurement of S-400s would give Moscow access to critical details about the way their premiere surface-to-air missile system performs against the new 5th generation aircraft.

Eventually, following Ankara’s acceptance of the S-400 air defense system, the US had to remove Turkey from the F-35 joint strike fighter program in July 2019.

Tensions in the Mediterranean
There are wild speculations that the US could shift its İncirlik base in Turkey to Crete in Greece. The matter is under discussion by the U.S. Senate and it will resume after the Greece-U.S. defense agreement expires in a few days, and the government will propose to Parliament its five-year extension.

Last month, amid the heightened tensions with Ankara, Greece’s Prime Minister had said: “The time has come to reinforce the armed forces … these initiatives constitute a robust program that will become a national shield”.

Greece would also be acquiring 18 French-made Rafale warplanes, four multipurpose frigates, and four navy helicopters, while also recruiting 15,000 new troops and pouring resources into the national arms industry and cyberattack defense.

Securing new anti-tank weapons, torpedoes, and missiles are also part of Greece’s arms purchase list.

France, which will be delivering six Rafale jets by 2022, has supported Greece in its burgeoning showdown with Turkey. French President Emmanuel Macron has asked Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan to not cross the “red line” and has sent warships and fighter jets to the region.

The hopes for de-escalation are low, as earlier this month, Turkey announced naval exercises in the eastern Mediterranean and sent its research ship, the Oruç Reis, back to contested waters to continue the search for hydrocarbons. Turkey claims equal rights to the resources in the disputed waters that Greece considers its own.

This would be the greatest news for turkey. If the Turks move to the China, Russia, Pakistan camp. The world trade and power perception would change overnight. Turkey could leave nato!

alas the Americans and the west is not that stupid! This is pure propaganda

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Turkey has planned a couple of steps ahead of F-35s:
  • F-35s are the Trojan Horses with tons of technical issues
  • Stealth is 90% about EW that, if not indigenous, can turn out to be fatal; hence, Turkey's after her own stealth technology to be put into her own jet fighters, jet powered UAVs etc...
  • S-400 is a part of Turkey's very own THAAD-type comprehensive and all-inclusive AD system, not to mention a quantum leap in her deep understanding about long range radars and AD missiles technologies

Not really!!! It's all about having indigenous EW capabilities or not!!! If you have it you can beat the rivals like rabbits!! Turkey is ages ahead of Greece in this regard!!! By the by, Turkey's developing her very own stealth technology to be put into her very own unmanned/manned jets for a reason....
Bro,

All of that is understandable - As a Pakistani, I respect the path Turkish brothers wish to take in shaping their defenses.

However, criticism should be sound. Your first point for instance is not correct and sheer downplaying of a credible threat in the hands of your perceived enemy once it gets there.


It is also important to understand what your perceived enemy can station in the immediate term to threaten your interests in the region.

I am sure that if USA restore sales of F-35 to Turkey, your country will accept it (Turkey wanted 100 in total). Turkey is still a supplier of F-35 components.

Developing a true 5th generation fighter jet is by no means an easy task because authentic stealthy characteristics impose constraints on kinematics which might conflict with your requirements and expectations from the endproduct itself. China attempted this and came out with J-20 which is still under development.

Turkey is seeking British partnership for TF-X which shows that by no means this is an easy understaking for even a NATO member state in isolation.

Alternative is to settle for inferior replications which might look impressive on paper but may not cut it against real thing when the time comes.

Best wishes nevertheless.
 

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