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Joe Biden's administration has agreed to operate direct flights to and from Pakistan, said Head of Prime Minister’s Strategic Reforms Salman Sufi. Sufi met with US high-ranking officials, including Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Bureau of South and Central Asia Elizabeth Horst at the US Department of State, Geo News reported.

Sufi discussed ways to strengthen bilateral ties between the US and Pakistan and shared Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif's vision for reforms during the meeting. Strengthening of ties between the two countries will focus on technology, finance, economic, health, startups, climate change, energy and people to people contacts, the Pakistan Embassy in the US tweeted.

“The US side conveyed its readiness to have technical discussions with Civil Aviation Authority and other relevant departments and undertaking necessary visits for resumption of direct flights,” a statement released by the Embassy of Pakistan in Washington said.


Sufi said representatives from the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) will soon visit Pakistan to inspect airports and planes. He also said the US Chamber of Commerce will appoint a representative at Karachi Port.

 

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highly doubt it. dad worked in pia at the airport. this was around the time that pia was a launch customer for 777-200lr which could do non stop to lahore. every time dhs came to check security the airports failed, due to holes in security. that was the reason that we never got a non-stop flight. dad passed away about 16 years ago.

my family is visiting pk, and since my bil is one of the real owners of pk, he was able to come get my family at the aircraft. he has no airport pass, he should not be allowed to get into dep/immig hall. kuch nahi badla.
 

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“The US side conveyed its readiness to have technical discussions with Civil Aviation Authority and other relevant departments and undertaking necessary visits for resumption of direct flights,” a statement released by the Embassy of Pakistan in Washington said.

The US side has already conveyed that 2 years back. The previous CEO Arshad Malik was spearheading those talks, and I believe a CBP and DHS team did visit Karachi and Islamabad as well. But nothing came of it.

This has the feeling of just another feel good tweet to get some PR, let's hope I am wrong.

Even if the US agrees for direct flights, what will PIA send? It is already down to 8 777's at the moment, with the others being used for spare parts and cannibalized. 1 is I think in some sort of shape to be used again, and I think being brought back online. Maybe they could use them on this route considering that UK and EU has banned flights...but they would have to greatly overhaul the product if they want meaningful traffic on that.

The US market is vastly different from Middle East and EU, you cannot get away with a subpar product and compete with EK/QR/EY on these routes. Going to UK is one thing, sitting in a tube for 18 hours on a PIA product is another. Especially considering that the US market is generally a bit more well to do than the ME market, and even the UK in some cases.

There were rumors last year that PIA was going for a new jet, either the A330 or the A350/787. Didn't follow the news so don't know what came of that. Anyone knows?
 

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The US side has already conveyed that 2 years back. The previous CEO Arshad Malik was spearheading those talks, and I believe a CBP and DHS team did visit Karachi and Islamabad as well. But nothing came of it.

This has the feeling of just another feel good tweet to get some PR, let's hope I am wrong.

Even if the US agrees for direct flights, what will PIA send? It is already down to 8 777's at the moment, with the others being used for spare parts and cannibalized. 1 is I think in some sort of shape to be used again, and I think being brought back online. Maybe they could use them on this route considering that UK and EU has banned flights...but they would have to greatly overhaul the product if they want meaningful traffic on that.

The US market is vastly different from Middle East and EU, you cannot get away with a subpar product and compete with EK/QR/EY on these routes. Going to UK is one thing, sitting in a tube for 18 hours on a PIA product is another. Especially considering that the US market is generally a bit more well to do than the ME market, and even the UK in some cases.

There were rumors last year that PIA was going for a new jet, either the A330 or the A350/787. Didn't follow the news so don't know what came of that. Anyone knows?

I agree with all what you said. However, PIA has a slight advantage over others. PIA flied direct and people with elder members of family and with children prefer PIA. From Toronto, there are 4 direct flights. All the flights are full. This is when we have Emirates, etihad, Turkish airlines which offer much superior product and flying experience.
 

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highly doubt it. dad worked in pia at the airport. this was around the time that pia was a launch customer for 777-200lr which could do non stop to lahore. every time dhs came to check security the airports failed, due to holes in security. that was the reason that we never got a non-stop flight. dad passed away about 16 years ago.

my family is visiting pk, and since my bil is one of the real owners of pk, he was able to come get my family at the aircraft. he has no airport pass, he should not be allowed to get into dep/immig hall. kuch nahi badla.

I only took a direct flight from nyc to lahore once with PIA. It wasn’t bad. Can’t remember but I think it took 15 hours?
 

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I agree with all what you said. However, PIA has a slight advantage over others. PIA flied direct and people with elder members of family and with children prefer PIA. From Toronto, there are 4 direct flights. All the flights are full. This is when we have Emirates, etihad, Turkish airlines which offer much superior product and flying experience.

True true true.

But at that point PIA is just cashing in on the majboori of people rather than attracting customers.
 

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True true true.

But at that point PIA is just cashing in on the majboori of people rather than attracting customers.

Its not majboori. Its a travel need.

I took PIA after almost 12 years in 2018. Although Imran Khan govt was just a few months old, I saw marked improvement from previous trip. Cleanliness, food and punctuality was good. The aircraft looked old though.

If Arshad Malik was allwed and there was no regime change, PIA was actually getting better. It takes time to rebuild as PIA has been ripped apart by PMLN, PPP and MQM governments.

If PIA can improve, its product is perhaps the best. I wish I could see a day PIA is at par with Turkish/Emirates. PIA led the way once.
 

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Joe Biden's administration has agreed to operate direct flights to and from Pakistan, said Head of Prime Minister’s Strategic Reforms Salman Sufi. Sufi met with US high-ranking officials, including Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Bureau of South and Central Asia Elizabeth Horst at the US Department of State, Geo News reported.

Sufi discussed ways to strengthen bilateral ties between the US and Pakistan and shared Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif's vision for reforms during the meeting. Strengthening of ties between the two countries will focus on technology, finance, economic, health, startups, climate change, energy and people to people contacts, the Pakistan Embassy in the US tweeted.

“The US side conveyed its readiness to have technical discussions with Civil Aviation Authority and other relevant departments and undertaking necessary visits for resumption of direct flights,” a statement released by the Embassy of Pakistan in Washington said.


Sufi said representatives from the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) will soon visit Pakistan to inspect airports and planes. He also said the US Chamber of Commerce will appoint a representative at Karachi Port.


Of course they will have direct fights - they have to CONTROL THEIR COLONY LIKE COLONIAL MASTERS AFTER ALL.
 

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Its not majboori. Its a travel need.

Majboori as in of the traveler with elders or children. Otherwise only a minority would go on a PIA product of current times on such a long flight, especially when the price differential is not anything to talk about.

I haven't taken PIA internationally in quite some years now, so cannot comment on the most recent product from personal experience.

I took PIA after almost 12 years in 2018. Although Imran Khan govt was just a few months old, I saw marked improvement from previous trip. Cleanliness, food and punctuality was good. The aircraft looked old though.

If Arshad Malik was allwed and there was no regime change, PIA was actually getting better. It takes time to rebuild as PIA has been ripped apart by PMLN, PPP and MQM governments.

If PIA can improve, its product is perhaps the best. I wish I could see a day PIA is at par with Turkish/Emirates. PIA led the way once.

Even I criticized his appointment a bit at first, but Arshad Malik was the best thing to happen to PIA in the last 10-15 years. PIA for a first time turned an operational profit under him. The kind of mafias and unions plaguing PIA, no civilian administrator taught in a fancy school and abreast of aviation policies could do that. You simply need a danda at first.

The PIA future plans were, and are pretty encouraging. I don't want this topic to get political here, but Kh Saad Rafiq jo bhashan akar kal day raha tha keh PIA yeh kar raha hai woh kar raha hai bla bla, and even the OP of Sufi sahab, nothing is of their doing, it's all Arshad Malik and the team he brought.

I just reconfirmed from another forum and PIA is indeed going for new A330's and also A350 or B787. So it seems the plan from last year was actually implemented and put in progress. I don't understand going for two separate platforms, but let's see.

Let's just hope the progress made does not get derailed again by these nincompoops who brought it to it's knees in the first place.
 

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I agree with all what you said. However, PIA has a slight advantage over others. PIA flied direct and people with elder members of family and with children prefer PIA. From Toronto, there are 4 direct flights. All the flights are full. This is when we have Emirates, etihad, Turkish airlines which offer much superior product and flying experience.
Turkish airlines was very disappointing and I did not find it any better than PIA, at least in their flights to and from Toronto. They have some very old planes on this route. IMO Etihad is much better.
 

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I only took a direct flight from nyc to lahore once with PIA. It wasn’t bad. Can’t remember but I think it took 15 hours?
ya but for it to be truly profitable you need both sides. when it was operating. it was non-stop jfk--> lhe. but the other way always stopped at shannon and everyone was deboarded and rescreened and plane checked. because no one trusts asf to do its job. also in the 2010 a pilot flew a friend or some caa guy without a boarding pass. again not following the rules, and just saluting.
 

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Turkish airlines was very disappointing and I did not find it any better than PIA, at least in their
People shit on pakistani aviation industry a lot - and yes it's not perfect but it's not completely crap either
It most certainly can improve but to make broad generalizations about it (like how many pakistanis do ) is low key unfair
 

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There were rumors last year that PIA was going for a new jet, either the A330 or the A350/787. Didn't follow the news so don't know what came of that. Anyone knows?
According to sources, the PIA will acquire Airbus A-330 and Boeing-787 within the first quarter of 2023 as part of its improvement policy.

The airline’s spokesman said that the new aircraft would replace the planes acquired in 2002 and 2003.

Separately, the airlines had also planned to induct four Airbus A-320s into its fleet in this year, out of which two have already become a part of the fleet while two more aircraft will be added next month, the spokesman added.

Moreover, the airline has decided to refurbish five existing A-320s and replace their old seats with spacious and more comfortable ones.


 

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People shit on pakistani aviation industry a lot - and yes it's not perfect but it's not completely crap either
It most certainly can improve but to make broad generalizations about it (like how many pakistanis do ) is low key unfair
Granted I don't travel to a lot of exotic place but my choice for air travel has always been PIA. I'd rather the money go back into our country, people have lost their sense of national pride.

And I've flown with THY and it wasn't anything to write home about, Singapore Airlines however was a real World Class experience.
 

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