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US submarine John Warner successfully avoided detection of Russian sub hunter during strike

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    THE PENTAGON — Saturday’s pre-dawn joint air strike against three Syrian chemical weapons facilities was notable not just for its success, but for also being the first time a Virginia-class submarine fired missiles in combat and the first time Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles-Extended Range (JASSM-ER) were used tactically, USNI News has learned.

    When attack boat USS John Warner (SSN-785) launched six Tomahawk land-attack missiles from the Eastern Mediterranean, it was the first time a Virginia-class submarine fired shots “in anger,” or at an enemy target rather than for testing or training purposes, according to a Navy spokesperson.

    John Warner not only hit its assigned target but did so during its first deployment and while successfully evading a Russian sub-hunter, which was reportedly tracking a British Astute-class submarine also operating in the region, according to Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.

    “Using these new systems in this particular operation can provide U.S. leaders and planners information regarding the ability of a high-end competitor like Russia to counter them,” Clark told USNI News.
    “These real-world operations provide valuable feedback on tactics and employment concepts.”


    The JASSM-ER strikes were noteworthy for their effectiveness reaching targets and also because of the platform firing these missiles. These missiles were fired from two U.S. Air Force B-1B bombers that remained about 200 miles outside of Syrian airspace. All JASSMs were able to evade Syrian air defense systems.

    B-1B bombers don’t have the same level of stealth as the Air Force F-22 Raptor or the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber and could be more easily detected by Syrian air-defense systems, Jerry Hendrix, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security, told USNI News. But the Russian-made systems reportedly never detected the B-1B bombers because they remained safely out of range.

    Lockheed Martin, the JASSM-ER manufacturer, is currently developing a Navy version – the Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) – to be fired from F/A-18E/F warplanes. The company and Navy officials have previously stated they expect the LRASM will be ready for use in 2019.

    During a December test, a B-1B bomber simultaneously launched two production-configuration LRASMs against multiple maritime targets, marking an important step toward meeting early capability milestones, according to a statement released by Lockheed Martin.

    “What we saw here is the JASSM, or LRASM, is going to be able to give legacy aircraft the ability to use these stand-off missiles outside their (air defense) range,” Hendrix said.

    In addition to Warner and the B-1B strikes, the operation was also the combat debut of the French Missile de Croisiere Naval land attack missile, according to the news site Naval Recognition.

    “Designed and produced by MBDA, the naval cruise missile (French designation Missile de Croisiere Naval or MdCN) provides deep strike capabilities within enemy territory. With a range of several hundred kilometers, the naval cruise missile is capable of destroying infrastructure targets of high strategic value,” reported the site.

    The French frigate Languedoc (D-653) fired three MdCN missiles, which is the naval variant of the air-launched SCALP land-attack cruise missile, as part of the operation.

    https://news.usni.org/2018/04/16/32965
     
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    Hi,

    The americans used the bomber for long range strike---200 miles off shore.

    And the idiots on this board argue with me when I talk about similar strike options for pakistan---a JH7 with CM400AKG or the Hatf V111 ALCM---launching from 200 miles from the shore line.

    To those idiots---you kids are dumb---.
     
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    Right now, China and North Korea are nervous. Verrrrry nervous... :lol:
     
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    So, Syria is everyone weapon test ground...
     
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    :drag: That's some pretty powerful stuff you're huffing. I'm not sure a man your age - given that you're obviously well into senility - should be messing with that.
     
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    You mean when a Chinese sub surfaced behind a US carrier’s ***?
     
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    One more false flagger? don't you guys give up?
     
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    Hi,

    Don't dwell on that incidence---. You have no clue about the american capabilities---.

    You thought the chinese sub snuck in---you don't know that the americans let it happen.

    American military is master at giving the enemy false sense of power and strength---but then turns around and smashes it into a pulp---.
     
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    Try this...

    http://defence.pk/threads/chinese-submarines-are-they-noisy.369289/#post-4742286

    It is a long read as details usually are and this is a military oriented forum. But try anyway. Perhaps you will learn something from the real world instead of the fantasy military one Internet Chinese seems to love.

    Try to be rational, will ya...???

    When was the last time the PLA tried anything with the new technologies China got from the West? Nada.

    So for this event, we have weapons launches from sub-sea and air. What do you think the North Koreans are doing? Nothing? No. At the very least, they are analyzing, at best they can with the primitive tools they have, on what can they do to defend a possible missile strikes from US on their nuclear facilities.

    Your PLA that have literally no combat experience with its new toys can do nothing to help NKR. The attack is at our discretion. No Chinese or NKR radars will detect the B-1. I said 'will', not 'can'. Once the missiles are launched, the bomber will turn and the sub will dive away. There will be nothing for China and NKR to do except to watch helplessly as the missiles lands accurately.
     
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    Wow, periscope technology has changed a lot.
     
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    submarines can easily avoid detection.if china and russia use large number of underwater drones in this area they can easily detect u.s submarine but they have not used in Syria so it not means they lack capability

    china will down u.s satelites and your missile and other weapon become useless
    our missile and other weapon become useless
     
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    Hi,

    I think the latest US submarines can see underwater---. Which means that like in the past---the submarines were blind under water and had to depend on sounds---.

    What I am saying is that the latest american subs have the sensor technology to build a picture of what is in the front---sides and behind on a TV screen---.

    So---basically can see what is lurking around from a few yards to a many a yards---depending upon the darkness in the water---.

    I read about it many a years ago---but misplaced the book.
     
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    [​IMG]

    The result of the Barzah cruise missile strike cannot be overstated in its technological and military significance for future conflicts, especially against US. The 'AFTER' image is instructive from its details in the ability of the cruise missiles to discriminate targets that are close to each other.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_radius

    A 2,000 lbs explosive device yields a blast radius of 365 meters, according to public figures. Each cruise missile has a 1,000 lbs explosive device, so it is reasonable to halve the blast radius to 170 meters.

    Each of the major building have its own geographical coordinates and all of them totally destroyed. If only damages were required, then only one cruise missile per target would suffice to make a statement. Instead, the requirement was complete destruction, thus, several missiles were assigned to each structure and each missile was extremely discriminatory.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_(missile)#Navigation
    Not a single missile gone outside the perimeter as outlined by the road that created said perimeter.

    Damages can be repaired. Destruction requires rebuild. But before the rebuild can begin, there has to be cleanup and that would take months. Whether the facility is a factory or a military headquarter or a weapons depot, essentially, if it takes months just to cleanup, the facility is no longer a contributor to the war effort, or to any effort, for that matter.

    This kind of first strike result will make it very difficult for any military to gain traction in its plan for retaliation. The initiative was taken by the enemy and now he will continue the drive.