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when will Pak authorities realize that USA doest care about Pakistan. Pakistan should stop crying and move on.
 

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Which is why teenagers from this forums will never be diplomats.
But there baba/dada/chacha/mamee/bhai/cousins might be. :D
They’re reassessing the previous reassessments based on the reassessments in the prior years.
Welcome to the $hit show of foreign policy ever since Reagan’s years.
Nothing is permanent in international geopolitics except national interests, as always. Nothing new here.
 
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the tragedy is that those who point towards this ghulami are themselves bitten by it. these people sitting on tv they know they've got a chance to lecture people think of themselves intellect gods.
how can they point out a govt is dictated by firangis, when a common man is still under their influence after 74 years? we have the habit of criticizing others and never look at ourselves.

a sane mind never target people and humiliate them rather criticize system.
a sane mind never talk big and understand the problem behind an issue and always provide solution.
a sane mind is one who bring the problem to light and does not bark on others, then what is the difference between so called intellectual sitting on a tv and a common man.

they are self claimed intellectuals or are brought into light by the tv channels to sell their air time.

would this nation ever realize what and where everything went wrong.
Well a sane mind cannot target a person without knowing his credentials and back ground which legitimize him to do a critique on GOP policies.

You know there is a famous saying "Qol or fel mein tazaad" so you are also doing "tanqeed bara e tanqeed" and NOT "tanqeed bara e islah" ...
 

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Has this moment been f**king Pakistan to this day?

I wonder what would have happened had Pakistan never got involved in the Afghan/soviet war and just shut the border there and then. Imagine what Pakistan could have been, no radicalization, TLP wouldn't even exist, everyone is just normal. No Afghan refugees. No one pointing fingers at Pakistan 40 years later. Perhaps even would have saved the lives of the APS children and others.

 

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Has this moment been f**king Pakistan to this day?

I wonder what would have happened had Pakistan never got involved in the Afghan/soviet war and just shut the border there and then. Imagine what Pakistan could have been, no radicalization, TLP wouldn't even exist, everyone is just normal. No Afghan refugees. No one pointing fingers at Pakistan 40 years later. Perhaps even would have saved the lives of the APS children and others.

Would the Soviet backed Afghans spared Pakistan to live in peace? They were so close to linking up with their ally India, once they invaded Afghanistan, that at some point they could have acted to cross into Pakistan. The situation had become an existential threat.

But I share the sentiment. Why couldn’t our neighbors allow us to live in peace and develop as a normal nation as Jinnah had wanted. Perhaps the unresolved nature of the birth of the nation predestined Pakistan to have to face these challenges.
 

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Why are they surprised? Even a child in Pakistan would not be surprised.
Makes you think, maybe we should have remained under the British flag. Atleast it would have been goverend properly.
What great governance did the British do? They built railways to move thier troops. They asset stripped our lands. They treated the locals like scum - this is what our current governanace model is based on. They only built the nice buildings because they thought they were staying forever.

In thier own country they saw the real benefit of empire. They built institutions, they fueled research and development, improved society, even rebuilt after the world wars.
 
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Would the Soviet backed Afghans spared Pakistan to live in peace? They were so close to linking up with their ally India, once they invaded Afghanistan, that at some point they could have acted to cross into Pakistan. The situation had become an existential threat.

But I share the sentiment. Why couldn’t our neighbors allow us to live in peace and develop as a normal nation as Jinnah had wanted. Perhaps the unresolved nature of the birth of the nation predestined Pakistan to have to face these challenges.
Perhaps it might be reasonable to consider the soviet threat was exaggerated? Maybe the Afghans would have fought off the Soviets themselves?

Was it worth the blowback? No
 

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What great governance did the British do? They built railways to move thier troops. They asset stripped our lands. They treated the locals like scum - this is what our current governanace model is based on. They only built the nice buildings because they thought they were staying forever.

In thier own country they saw the real benefit of empire. They built institutions, they fueled research and development, improved society, even rebuilt after the world wars.
I completely disagree with you. Out of all the invaders, Pakistan learnt the best habits from the British empire. We feel comfortable enough to say the Arabic and Afghan invasions were good for us so its okay to give credit where its due. They were unwelcome because a lot of wealth was stolen but so did all the invaders before.
 

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Has this moment been f**king Pakistan to this day?

I wonder what would have happened had Pakistan never got involved in the Afghan/soviet war and just shut the border there and then. Imagine what Pakistan could have been, no radicalization, TLP wouldn't even exist, everyone is just normal. No Afghan refugees. No one pointing fingers at Pakistan 40 years later. Perhaps even would have saved the lives of the APS children and others.

That’s wishful thinking what you would’ve had is the Soviets cut up Pakistan starting with Baluchistan. Awhile back I was reading a book by a retired Russian officer who admired the KGB and other agencies were fueling the Baluchistan insurgency, along with another Arab country.
 

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USA can not have a complete break with Pakistan. Counterterrorism cooperation will continue against any AQ types in Afghanistan, IMO. Repeating the mistakes of the late 90's should be avoided. Some symbolic actions may be taken like removing major non NATO ally status.....but truth is that has not been relevant in years. Pakistan should attempt to retain as good relations as possible with the USA. "Strategic partnerships" have been more trouble then their worth for both sides historically.

Asian economy as a whole is now larger then the ROW. CIS may benefit massively from climate change and will be able to export all kinds of excess natural resources. Pakistan will be tied to a China led Eurasian bloc. A separate MENA bloc may also emerge. We live in interesting times.
 

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Super Power? got humiliated in Vietnam, got humiliated in Afghanistan, couldn't do jack shit to Iran or even North Korea.

They are a superpower, they can do what they want. Pakistan has a smaller economy than most US states.
 

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Well a sane mind cannot target a person without knowing his credentials and back ground which legitimize him to do a critique on GOP policies.

You know there is a famous saying "Qol or fel mein tazaad" so you are also doing "tanqeed bara e tanqeed" and NOT "tanqeed bara e islah" ...
ahh, wish you could pick what i was saying, i did not do such thing called 'tanqeed' it is the work of the intellects which everybody claims to be.

i simply define a sane person which is not just my opinion, it is universal. one has to be it before shouting out at the top of his throat, which he is not.
 

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Super Power? got humiliated in Vietnam, got humiliated in Afghanistan, couldn't do jack shit to Iran or even North Korea
They are a super power because they have the greatest economic, cultural and military influence on the world of any nation. All your social media apps and their top content creators are American. PDF servers are hosted in America. Even on Chinese platforms like TikTok many top content creators are American. Every country has people that are dying to be American. Your GPS is American, and so is your operating system (Windows, MacOS, iOS, Android). The CPU on your computer is probably American as well (AMD, Intel). Even the smartest people of other countries choose to go to America and become succesful (look at all the Indian origin CEOs). Now please tell me what supa powas like India, Bangladesh and Pakistan have that even comes close to this.

You think Pakistan or any other country can invade and occupy Iran, Vietnam or Afghanistan and come out in once piece as if nothing happened like the US? We can't even stop 10s of soldiers in Balochistan from dying every other week and act as if nothing happened. All it shows is the Americans can invade and destroy any country in the world if they want.

Look at North Korea. People have barely enough to eat and have to commit shirk and worship Kimmy all day long, and get tortured for not doing so. This is a direct result of US sanctions. North Koreans would die to live the life of an average American. All North Korea and Iran are good for is eye catching WhatsApp forwards and headlines about how they talk shit to Americans and Israelis.

Afghanistan was entirely the incompetent ANA's fault, they had a bigger budget than the Pakistan Army, Air Force, and Navy combined. The US could easily turn Afghanistan into a massive crater and wipe the Taliban off the face of the earth if needed. Hell, they have enough nukes to destroy every country in the world several times.
 
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i simply define a sane person which is not just my opinion, it is universal. one has to be it before shouting out at the top of his throat, which he is not.
Well, you can site any references of who else share your thought on him... and yes you are entitled to your own opinion and agree to disagree in my right.
 

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