• Wednesday, January 23, 2019

US, Pakistan need to be honest about differences: senator

Discussion in 'Strategic & Foreign Affairs' started by Ghessan, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. GumNaam

    GumNaam SENIOR MEMBER

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    try this for honesty on our differences mister senator!
    WE
    DON'T
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    WON'T
    TRUST
    YOU
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    save yourself a lot of humiliation and stop trying!
     
  2. Umair Nawaz

    Umair Nawaz ELITE MEMBER

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    im not saying to make it military or strategic either, read my post again lallay!

    Hahaha lalay yr terribly wrong in it.....If u think that their defence and oil companies have no share in shaping their foreign policy then yr very wrong......But now its the companies like Apple, iphone, twitter and facebook...their owners are today joining the trillion dollar club! tu kiss dunya main betha ha lalay! Abb ye log hain jo shape kr ahy hain innki economic policy orr main bhi iss he economic policy ki baat kar raha hun defence ya strategic nahi.

    This is what i meant when i said that make this relationship valuable in the MODERN DIGITAL AGE!!!
    Bill Gates is already pledging to invest in IT and Startup sectors too....dont that give u a clue? Meri jaan, ye Google waly, Microsoft waly or facebook etc etc waly pagal hain Pakistani talent ko attain karny k lea!

    Use it for our advantage! and for the rest, make them open their factories and manufacturing centers like Chinese in Pakistan as well.

    This is the gist of my original post, that way we will get the maximum benefit, same way India is getting benefit exact same way, we r a 5th largest country with little to no market competition, with even cheaper labour and resources as compared to india........We can be a heaven for them viz a viz india....use this power potential, this is what iam saying. Takay jaisy india blackmail innhain krta ha pakistan k against yaha tak k S400 ka wavier b ly leta ha or Chahbahar or Irani oil ka bhi......hum bhi ye kaam kar sakty hain inn k against.

    I agree 100% but will like to remind u in same tone, they havnt been able to do much against india, q k india ny innko apny neeche lagaya hua ha, humne ya unn ww2 allies ny nahi.

    Lalay i was saying that k hum Amreeka ko rok sakty hain pabandian Pakistan py lagany sy jo wo zaroor lagaye ga Afghanistan sy nikalny k baad in North Korea style.......

    Orr wo above mentioned tareekon sy innhain roka bhi ja sakta ha, iss waqt ki innko hamari zaroorat ka faida utha karr.....khud socho k agr hum trump ko he offer kar dain k wo apna zaati business Pakistan main bhi khol ly ya invest kr ly to wo phir q hum py pabandia lagaye ga ya kisi ko lagany dy ga?:azn:

    Tumhain pta ha k Zardari jab corruption kara tha, to wo apni corruption ko chupany k lea dusro ko bhi apny sath milla leta tha unnhain paisa dy kr or incentives dy krr.......yahe kaam hum Foreign Policy main q nahi kr sakty?
    Specially with America and later with EU?:azn::azn::azn:

    When it comes to business learn from Hindu Banya!

    In statecraft the morality takes a backseat na biwi na bacha na baap barra na maiya, the whole thing is that sabse barrha rupaiya! this is the banya way!



    Lallay, abb samjha k nai?

    Amreeki aik bewakuf qoum ha or lalchy bhi.....isska faida uthao!
    Paisa phank tamasha dekh!
     
  3. Zarvan

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    USA only needs Pakistan until they are in Afghanistan after that forget anything from them
     
  4. Umair Nawaz

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    read post#12 buddy...mujhe pta ha iss baat ka. orr abb ye bhi sun log k wo afghanistan sy nikalny k baad humpe sanctions laga dy ga North Korean style!
     
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    Zarvan ELITE MEMBER

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    Sanctions are doubtful as they know we can reverse their gains in Afghanistan as well as many other places in the world
     
  6. Umair Nawaz

    Umair Nawaz ELITE MEMBER

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    we cant, we have lost our influence severely....specially in the World!
    If we hadnt, these anti Pakistan terrorist wont be alive today who r living throughout the world.......Heck we cant do anything about the TTP/BLA leadership and training camps in Afghanistan even.

    Yr fooling yourself buddy! ISI is all talk no respite, just a bunch of hot air balloons.

    We should give America economic incentive too and above all make them invest in our economy like China and like they r doing in India, by taking advantage of the current situation which will benefit us!
     
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  7. Chakar The Great

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    Very well summarized.
     
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  8. Tom M

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    Pakistan has been doing a lot for US for half a century now and therefore you guys have your own reasons and justifications.

    Similarly U.S also have their own reasons since they seems to have paid Pakistan for almost all services rendered and even more supported Pak with their status as the super power and UNSC permanent member. But TBH, nothing has damaged U.S-PAK relationship that the entire OBL fiasco.

    In my opinion, that was the one important point from which the relationship seriously started going south.

    While agreeing with you to a certain extend. I bet you never even considered the worst case scenario. What if (which is a very unlikely what if) U.S is seriously considering about hurting Pakistan in case you restore to reverse their gain in Afghanistan or many other places as you have claimed ??

    Do you have any idea what it can be like?? :azn::azn::azn:
     
  9. Umair Nawaz

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    we provided intelligence to America for OBL raid.
     
  10. Tom M

    Tom M SENIOR MEMBER

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    Might be. But the very presence of Americas most wanted man with family in a villa inside Pakistan soil in itself raises a lot of questions. And it does matter a lot I guess. :-)
     
  11. Umair Nawaz

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    well,,,,who cares really besides America about it in this World? let me remind u that world has 8 billion people and they have evolved enough that they have largely passed American true influence in them, given the new Emerging power centers in the World like China, EU a resurgent Russia etc

    And how many of them really care abt OBL saga? none.

    Anyways, the point here is that it is America afterall NOT Pakistan who need America, as even Pakistan has moved passed them! So it is upto them. Read my original post in first page post#6.....

    This is what iam suggesting! and thats the main point behind my posts and arguments in them to justify that.
     
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  12. Tom M

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    Well remember one thing for sure.

    America don't need Pakistan to any extend that Pakistan need U.S. It is Afghanistan that is the only remaining leaverage for Pakistan. Again, if they decide. On any fine day they will pack their bags and walk out of Afghanistan leaving the country at the mercy of yet another civil war (please don't be under the impression that Afghanistan will be a cake walk for Taliban after that, they will have to fight and earn it).

    And who is actually gonna suffer from that yet again ?? Certainly not America. :-):-):-)
     
  13. Umair Nawaz

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    :rofl: u really really need to understand the geopolitics better my friend! Orr Pakistan unlike America isnt a country of idiots!

    Read post#6, u really really need to read that, Oh BTW Taliban have cancelled the scheduled talks nor have Pakistan any real incentive really to baby sit Americans for these talks as our AIDE, the only real power potential they had has been stopped. So what we r doing right now is doing a favour to America in the first place!

    And this is also a good read for you to better understand the situation in the current form.
    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/mist...mer-envoy-ali-siddiqui-on-pak-us-ties.596409/

    It is NOT Pakistan but America only who needs us, and doesnt have any real power potential in long run over us but sanctions individually, while two if UNSC votes r in our side if it took the sanctions route through that which is China and Russia.

    Now please read#6 and tell me what u think about my suggestions.
     
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    And king of begstabber US should be honest of begstabbing pak in time of need
     
  15. Zarvan

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    We haven't lost any influence in fact we are gaining more and more. Things are getting better specially when it comes to influence and making changes so please. USA not interested in economic zone we both can have good Military and Intelligence relations not economic ones
     
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