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You seriously think that Pakistan which could jam Indian's communication , made their pilots and fighter jets blind and deaf on 27th Feb 2019, didn't know the existence of 2 heavy Chinooks in its airspace for over one hour and 20 minutes!!!
Detection of an aircraft depends on various factors
1. Placement of sensors aka radars. Based on the threat environment these are placed accordingly.
2. The watch hours of these sensors. Because all the radars can’t be kept on all the time they are switched on to give optimum coverage based on threats and likely adversary air activity. It is based on intel as well as your own equipment capability to take beating.
You can’t keep all the sensors switched On all the time. They would finish their technical life in no time.

There are many more factors but let’s analyse just these two.

Is there any aerial threat to Pakistan from Afganistan side? Nope. Hence the sensors are primarily placed with Indian border in mind. Unless Pakistan has so many radars that it can place them on Afganistan border also after covering the entire Indian side. Which is not possible considering the assets available with PAF. Hence there are bound to be some radar gaps.

Even if radar cover is available, would it be optimised to detect threats at low level or medium level? Single radar can’t do both. Considering the first aspect above it is unlikely that Pakistan has adequate or any radar cover on the Afghan border.
Even if available the platforms flying at extremely low levels are unlikely to be picked up. That’s what Americans did. They did what is called Nape of Earth (NoE) flying and highly optimised low level radars also fail to pick up such targets some times. Even terrain plays an important role in this. We know the terrain in this region is hilly reducing the radar detection ranges due to radar shadow areas.

Considering that PAF doesn’t cover the Afghan border due to low threat from that direction it is unlikely that PAF detected anything at all.

Care to answer the question how the seals from the destroyed helicopter boarded one remaining one!!
Do check its weight and persons carrying capacity when you do that.
It is obvious that you haven’t done any reading on this matter. The seals had planned it all. The remaining helicopters had the capability to lift the load if one of them them faced any issues, technical or operational.

No more heptr flew in. The remaining heptrs had the spare capacity to undertake the task.

Read these accounts.



Please don’t get carried away by propaganda and conspiracy theories.

Please don’t ask irrelevant questions while you don’t seem to have studied this subject at all.

This was my last reply to you.

Thanks to you this post has been reported as off topic. 🤣🤣
 
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explain to us why would Pakistan endure such humiliation
Stick to the topic. We will then discuss the humiliation why the Chinese came with spiked clubs after you
Detection of an aircraft depends on various factors
1. Placement of sensors aka radars. Based on the threat environment these are placed accordingly.
2. The watch hours of these sensors. Because all the radars can’t be kept on all the time they are switched on to give optimum coverage based on threats and likely adversary air activity. It is based on intel as well as your own equipment capability to take beating.
You can’t keep all the sensors switched On all the time. They would finish their technical life in no time.

There are many more factors but let’s analyse just these two.

Is there any aerial threat to Pakistan from Afganistan side? Nope. Hence the sensors are primarily placed with Indian border in mind. Unless Pakistan has so many radars that it can place them on Afganistan border also after covering the entire Indian side. Which is not possible considering the assets available with PAF. Hence there are bound to be some radar gaps.

Even if radar cover is available, would it be optimised to detect threats at low level or medium level? Single radar can’t do both. Considering the first aspect above it is unlikely that Pakistan has adequate or any radar cover on the Afghan border.
Even if available the platforms flying at extremely low levels are unlikely to be picked up. That’s what Americans did. They did what is called Nape of Earth (NoE) flying and highly optimised low level radars also fail to pick up such targets some times. Even terrain plays an important role in this. We know the terrain in this region is hilly reducing the radar detection ranges due to radar shadow areas.

Considering that PAF doesn’t cover the Afghan border due to low threat from that direction it is unlikely that PAF detected anything at all.


It is obvious that you haven’t done any reading on this matter. The seals had planned it all. The remaining helicopters had the capability to lift the load if one of them them faced any issues, technical or operational.

No more heptr flew in. The remaining heptrs had the spare capacity to undertake the task.

Read these accounts.



Please don’t get carried away by propaganda and conspiracy theories.

Please don’t ask irrelevant questions while you don’t seem to have studied this subject at all.

This was my last reply to you.
Stick to the topic .
We are referring to US navy entry into India's EEZ .
@waz
 

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if india doesn't voluntarily fall on the sword and become the america's cannon fodder regardless of how badly China butchers india, then the u.s. will make sure it puts in a government that will voluntarily fall on the sword and become the america's cannon fodder regardless of how badly China butchers india...
I have not seen such a long sentence recently - does that even mean anything? usually happens when someone is in a rage or not thinking properly.
 

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Pentagon defends US Navy ship asserting navigational rights inside India's EEZ

In an unusual move, the US Navy announced that on Wednesday it conducted a freedom of navigation operation in Indian waters without prior consent to challenge India's "excessive maritime claims."

PTI | | Posted by Shivani Kumar

UPDATED ON APR 10, 2021 09:49 AM IST

The Pentagon has defended its Navy asserting its navigational rights within India's exclusive economic zone without taking New Delhi's permission, calling the move "consistent with international law".

In an unusual move, the US Navy announced that on Wednesday it conducted a freedom of navigation operation in Indian waters without prior consent to challenge India's "excessive maritime claims", triggering a reaction from New Delhi, which on Friday said it has conveyed concerns to Washington through diplomatic channels.
The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) also contested the US Navy's 7th Fleet statement of April 7 that the freedom of navigation operation (FONOP) by the guided-missile destroyer USS John Paul Jones "upheld the rights, freedoms, and lawful uses" of the sea recognised in international law by challenging India's "excessive maritime claims".

When asked about India's reaction over the US Navy's move, Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby on Friday said: "I can tell you is that the USS John Paul Jones, a Navy destroyer, asserted navigational rights and freedoms in the vicinity of the Republic of the Maldives by conducting innocent passage through its territorial sea in normal operations within its exclusive economic zone without requesting prior permission".

Earlier, announcing about the operation, the statement by the 7th Fleet said, "On April 7, 2021 (local time) USS John Paul Jones (DDG 53) asserted navigational rights and freedoms approximately 130 nautical miles west of the Lakshadweep Islands, inside India’s exclusive economic zone, without requesting India's prior consent, consistent with international law."

Kirby in response to a question from reporters at a Pentagon news conference said: "That's consistent with international law."
"Again, we continue to maintain the right, indeed the responsibility, to fly, sail, and operate in accordance with international law," he said.

Kirby said that it is the responsibility of the US to uphold the freedom of navigation and the rights and freedom and lawful uses of the sea recognised in international law.

The MEA in its statement said: "India's stated position on the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) is that the Convention does not authorise other states to carry out in the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and on the continental shelf, military exercises or manoeuvres, in particular those involving the use of weapons or explosives, without the consent of the coastal state.

"The USS John Paul Jones was continuously monitored transiting from the Persian Gulf towards the Malacca Straits. We have conveyed our concerns regarding this passage through our EEZ to the government of the USA through diplomatic channels," the MEA added.
 

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Detection of an aircraft depends on various factors
1. Placement of sensors aka radars. Based on the threat environment these are placed accordingly.
2. The watch hours of these sensors. Because all the radars can’t be kept on all the time they are switched on to give optimum coverage based on threats and likely adversary air activity. It is based on intel as well as your own equipment capability to take beating.
You can’t keep all the sensors switched On all the time. They would finish their technical life in no time.

There are many more factors but let’s analyse just these two.

Is there any aerial threat to Pakistan from Afganistan side? Nope. Hence the sensors are primarily placed with Indian border in mind. Unless Pakistan has so many radars that it can place them on Afganistan border also after covering the entire Indian side. Which is not possible considering the assets available with PAF. Hence there are bound to be some radar gaps.

Even if radar cover is available, would it be optimised to detect threats at low level or medium level? Single radar can’t do both. Considering the first aspect above it is unlikely that Pakistan has adequate or any radar cover on the Afghan border.
Even if available the platforms flying at extremely low levels are unlikely to be picked up. That’s what Americans did. They did what is called Nape of Earth (NoE) flying and highly optimised low level radars also fail to pick up such targets some times. Even terrain plays an important role in this. We know the terrain in this region is hilly reducing the radar detection ranges due to radar shadow areas.

Considering that PAF doesn’t cover the Afghan border due to low threat from that direction it is unlikely that PAF detected anything at all.


It is obvious that you haven’t done any reading on this matter. The seals had planned it all. The remaining helicopters had the capability to lift the load if one of them them faced any issues, technical or operational.

No more heptr flew in. The remaining heptrs had the spare capacity to undertake the task.

Read these accounts.



Please don’t get carried away by propaganda and conspiracy theories.

Please don’t ask irrelevant questions while you don’t seem to have studied this subject at all.

This was my last reply to you.

Thanks to you this post has been reported as off topic. 🤣🤣
I can respond to you different ways, but no need to waste time.
Yes, I have not done much reading of the crap propaganda.
I know exactly what happened. There are evidence available which clearly shows what happened.

Those crap about radar coverage is for people like you to worry about. The residents of Kala Dacca didn't have no radar coverage, they knew the Chinooks landed and stayed for over 40 mins.

Enough said Fred.
 

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Read my posts on other threads, I hold Kiyani firmly responsible.
A good practice to deal with Indian Trolls.
Report a derailment thread.
Keep a link handy to threads we can divert Indian trolls to .
Example:
To the chant of " Don't forget 1971 ..." copy the Indian troll's post to the thread .
" Revenge of Pakistan " (Link)
 
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