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What nonsense! This is just support equipment, I fail to understand why Indians need to embarrass themselves over petty things with their useless whining.
Indians are not embarrassing themselves.... We are just doing what every nation does when its enemy is being armed or being given any technical support...

You seriously believe that China wont cry tomorrow if USA offers just a support equipment on existing Taiwan platforms?

Why was USA crying over mere rifle sell to Venezuela?

Why does Israel still doesn't allow AIM 120 sell to Egypt when they are flying F-16 SOFA, F-15 Eagles and F-35s?

To you it seems like we are crying and embarrassing ourselves because you guy's start a thread with wrong titles like cry babies to begin with.....
 

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It is not like we are cry babies... Every country will do it when its enemy is being armed.... Super power China does cry when USA arms tiny Taiwan.... even Super power USA cried when Russia sold AK 47 rifles to Venezuela under Chavez.... we are ordinary India after all....

F-16 with AIM 120 and J-10 with PL 15 is a nightmarish scenario for any country.... But only and only when its Airborne.... there is no need to loose our sleep over this..... We have BRAHMOS and now if I am not wrong with 800 plus KM range..... Just knock down the air bases before they are airborne.... We have now Air launched version too avail with Thanjavar based Flanker squadron.....

If these fighters are airborne before BRAHMOS attack then still destroy the bases and make sure they are in no position to land back, get serviced and ready for next sorties.... they can try to land on motorway but they cannot be fully serviced to the level they get serviced on air base.... target motorway too and destroy it beyond repair for any immediate action.... Even HIMARS types can be procured on emergency basis..... relax......
Brahmos isn't the answer for everything. You have Brahmos whilst Pakistan has the Babur CM. The same thing could be said wrt Indian Air bases and the Babur.
 

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Indians are not embarrassing themselves.... We are just doing what every nation does when its enemy is being armed
Here is where you are wrong! We are not being armed, it's just some stupid support equipment that will not alter the power status in place against you. The US isn't selling us any weapon system that India needs to whin about. Yes, every country does that but do something meaningful and not over petty little nonsense support equipment.
 

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Indians are not embarrassing themselves.... We are just doing what every nation does when its enemy is being armed or being given any technical support...

You seriously believe that China wont cry tomorrow if USA offers just a support equipment on existing Taiwan platforms?

Why was USA crying over mere rifle sell to Venezuela?

Why does Israel still doesn't allow AIM 120 sell to Egypt when they are flying F-16 SOFA, F-15 Eagles and F-35s?

To you it seems like we are crying and embarrassing ourselves because you guy's start a thread with wrong titles like cry babies to begin with.....

It is funny how you guys like to present your own arguments as sane logic. Yet, when the other side does the same they are beggars and nobodies LOL Double dealing Hindutva snakes.

Here is where you are wrong! We are not being armed, it's just some stupid support equipment that will not alter the power status in place against you. The US isn't selling us any weapon system that India needs to whin about. Yes, every country does that but do something meaningful and not over petty little nonsense support equipment.

Jai Shankar has been crying for a while now. Many here on PDF think BJP crying started with F-16 spares etc. It didn't. Indian FM has been crying for the past few months. All you have to do is Google. This is because the Americans are letting the Indians know that their relationship with Russia must end.

The Americans want to turn India into a complete bitch state. That means no independent foreign policy such as dealings with Russia. These cunning pajeets have been playing both sides for a very long time under the guise of successful diplomacy blah blah. In reality the Hindutva have been milking all sides. I have said a thousand times before on PDF. India will have to choose a side sooner or later. The Indians have signed a China containment contract with papa America. The Americans are broadening this contract by telling India that reaping benefits from various sides is not done. When you sign a contract with papa America you are bound by their rules. Jai Shankar cannot handle the heat and hence the outburst.
 
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Brahmos isn't the answer for everything. You have Brahmos whilst Pakistan has the Babur CM. The same thing could be said wrt Indian Air bases and the Babur.
We enjoy huge geographical depth compared to Pakistan and not to mention BRAHMOS is supersonic weapon can be launched to from land , air and sea and will quickly destroy targets before enemy gets time to respond... Babur is good but subsonic and India due to large depth will have much more breathing space to counter this threat....

Here is where you are wrong! We are not being armed, it's just some stupid support equipment that will not alter the power status in place against you. The US isn't selling us any weapon system that India needs to whin about. Yes, every country does that but do something meaningful and not over petty little nonsense support equipment.
Seems you guys do not read posts properly before answering... I am saying the same.... I am just saying that even if it is just a support equipment then also India doing same what every country will do..... I challenge you will see even China crying if USA offers support equipment on existing US platforms in Taiwan.....
 

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We enjoy huge geographical depth compared to Pakistan and not to mention BRAHMOS is supersonic weapon can be launched to from land , air and sea and will quickly destroy targets before enemy gets time to respond... Babur is good but subsonic and India due to large depth will have much more breathing space to counter this threat....


Seems you guys do not read posts properly before answering... I am saying the same.... I am just saying that even if it is just a support equipment then also India doing same what every country will do..... I challenge you will see even China crying if USA offers support equipment on existing US platforms in Taiwan.....

Stop bitching and remain on topic. This is topic is not about missiles or geographic depth. This topic is about Indian whining in the US capital. You guys think you are invincible and your double dealing policy can continue as usual. It cannot. You are going to have to choose a side and the Americans are making it abundantly clear.
 

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We enjoy huge geographical depth compared to Pakistan and not to mention BRAHMOS is supersonic weapon can be launched to from land , air and sea and will quickly destroy targets before enemy gets time to respond... Babur is good but subsonic and India due to large depth will have much more breathing space to counter this threat....
The latest iteration of Babur [Babur 1B] has over a 900km range, possibly in the 1000km range mark. That means, hypothetically speaking, any air base or military base within that range can and would be targeted and destroyed. That's 900km. Bases outside of that range would have hell of a time trying to get to the front considering how large of a distance they now to travel and take off from.

Wrt to which will be detected and intercepted first, Brahmos is a supersonic cruise missile which has a much higher IR signature compared to the Babur Cruise missile. On top of that the Babur Cruise missile can use terrain hugging features to further increase its chance on reaching and destroying its target. Brahmos is good but its not the best nor is it a super duper wonder weapon that would win you the war.
 

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Stop bitching and remain on topic. This is topic is not about missiles or geographic depth. This topic is about Indian whining in the US capital. You guys think you are invincible and your double dealing policy can continue as usual. It cannot.
Yes and I am replying on same... we are not whining at all.... we are just doing what every nation will do..... today if we don't protest on support equipment then what is the guarantee USA wont become further bold to offer something more offensive.... we may not be able to do anything even in that case but we have to protest anyways to see what maximum can be done for India's safety.....
 

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Yes and I am replying on same... we are not whining at all.... we are just doing what every nation will do..... today if don't protest on support equipment then what is the guarantee USA wont become further bold to offer something more offensive.... we may not be able to do anything even in that case but we have to protest anyways to see what maximum can be done for India's safety.....

You are whining. So is your FM. Holding daylight therapy sessions. Your FM is clearly protesting the F-16 maintenance package to Pakistan. You are right about one thing. Of course the F-16s will be used against India. Won't India use Rafale and other defence equipment against Pakistan? Isn't it a little disingenuous on India's part to protest when this country is one of the biggest buyers of military hardware? India is having difficulty breathing with regards to F-16s. You guys have only exposed your own insecurities.
 

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The latest iteration of Babur [Babur 1B] has over a 900km range, possibly in the 1000km range mark. That means, hypothetically speaking, any air base or military base within that range can and would be targeted and destroyed. That's 900km. Bases outside of that range would have hell of a time trying to get to the front considering how large of a distance they now to travel and take off from.

Wrt to which will be detected and intercepted first, Brahmos is a supersonic cruise missile which has a much higher IR signature compared to the Babur Cruise missile. On top of that the Babur Cruise missile can use terrain hugging features to further increase its chance on reaching and destroying its target. Brahmos is good but its not the best nor is it a super duper wonder weapon that would win you the war.
Still its just subsonic weapon and any country will choose Brahmos over Babur.... Now the range is also 800 plus KMs maybe even more.... about IR signature we have seen that in Miyan Channu episode.... If malfunctioned missile can go so deep then better not speak about Brahmos fired intentionally from Air, Land and sea....
 

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With the upmost respect . The sad truth for us is …,

F16s or no F 6s , our people s back home in charge will always be slaves to the western powers, and even to others who are lesser than us!

So let’s grab these deals while we can before they change their minds.

Nuclear bombs are game changers right? They did not save or change our elites slavery

Blaming F16s is to easy
It's just a support package, all it does is maintain the power balance, not add to our capabilities.

Until we have our own alternatives that are upto par with American fighter jets we will always be slaves to those who can guarantee us our security (America).

We can hate America all we want, but their military equipment's record speaks for itself. Just imagine if we didn't have a quality jet like the F-16s.

Thankfully with China's rapid growth in the defence sector and Turkey's TFX, we will have viable options to branch away without risking our security and it will loosen America's grip on us.
 

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It's just a support package, all it does is maintain the power balance, not add to our capabilities.

Until China/Turkey has alternatives that are upto par with American fighter jets we will always be slaves to those who can guarantee us our security.

We can hate America all we want, but their military equipment's record speaks for itself. Just imagine if we didn't have a quality jet like the F-16s.

Thankfully with China's rapid growth in the defence sector and Turkey's TFX, we will have viable options to branch away without risking our security.

That is only possible if Pakistani leaders stop appeasing one side at the expense of the other. This F-16 package didn't fall from the sky. It was provided as a reward for various nefarious services which are detrimental in Pakistan's interest.
 

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You are whining. So is your FM. Holding daylight therapy sessions. Your FM is clearly protesting the F-16 maintenance package to Pakistan. You are about one thing. Of course these F-16 will be used against India. Won't India use Rafale and all other defence equipment against Pakistan? India is having difficulty breathing with F-16s. You guys have only exposed your own insecurities.
We know that F-16 is there against India only.... after all terrorist do not have air force.... But I will still appreciate our FM or overall Govt. for taking such a big stance over just support equipment..... Tomorrow cannot say confidently but we will have slim chances of stopping something offensive to land in Pak from America.... our today's stance gives us chance to leverage something advance in future.... USA cannot afford to completely forget Indian weapon market and strategic alliance with India just to please Pakistan who is almost 80% now in China camp.....
 

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