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Ukraine has retaken 1,000 square kilometres in a week - Zelensky

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Ukraine says it has retaken more than 1,000 sq km (385 sq miles) of territory in its south and east from Russia in the past week.
President Volodymyr Zelensky said that more than 30 settlements had been "liberated" in the Kharkiv region.
Russia's top occupation official in Kharkiv region conceded Ukrainian forces had won a "significant victory".
Vitaly Ganchev told Russian TV that the Ukrainians had broken through the Russian defence line.
He said civilians were being evacuated from Kupiansk, one of the most important urban centres in the Russian-held part of Kharkiv, and two other towns.
According to analysis by the Institute for the Study of War think tank, Kyiv's troops are now just 15km (9 miles) from Kupiansk, home to an essential railway junction that Moscow has been using to supply its troops on the battlefield.
Russia is believed to be sending reinforcements to the region by road and by air, using giant Mi-26 transport helicopters, each capable of carrying 80 soldiers.
In a separate Facebook post Ukraine's army said that in three days troops had advanced 50km (30 miles). If verified, that would mark the fastest movement of the front line since the rapid retreat of Russian forces from positions around the capital, Kyiv, in March.
The offensive south-east of Kharkiv would also bring Ukraine's troops closer to the eastern region of Donetsk, over which Russia has maintained substantial military control since the war began six months ago.
Mr Ganchev also denied that Ukrainian forces had recaptured the town of Balakliya despite a video appearing to show Ukrainian soldiers there.
The BBC has not been able to confirm who has control of the city, but verified social media posts show Ukrainian flags flying from administrative buildings in the city's centre on Thursday.
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While Ukraine claims to have advanced its troops in some parts of the country, in other areas there have been reports of renewed Russian aerial attacks.
On Friday the governor of Ukraine's north-eastern Sumy region Dmytro Zhvytskyi said a Russian air strike had "destroyed" a hospital, wounding multiple people.
The BBC has not been able to verify the report.
 

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This comedian has destroyed his country. Hiding out in his comfortable bunker, he comes out every other day on twitter asking young Ukrainians to die fighting for him. A real keyboard warrior and poster boy for the west. It was indeed brave of him not to flee when Russian forces were outside Kyiv, but tbh he wasnt in any real danger, no way Russian forces would have risked killing him and getting worldwide condemnation. But the problem is that all western media has elevated him to the status of a messaiah, even though he has done jackshit except great pubic relations and asking other young ukrainians to die on twiter, you have fools on linkedin crying praise for him comparing him to rambo and what not. This guy could have prevented the war and devastation of his country by just saying a single line - Ukraine will not join Nato. May no country get such an idiot for a leader.
 

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This comedian has destroyed his country. Hiding out in his comfortable bunker, he comes out every other day on twitter asking young Ukrainians to die fighting for him. A real keyboard warrior and poster boy for the west. It was indeed brave of him not to flee when Russian forces were outside Kyiv, but tbh he wasnt in any real danger, no way Russian forces would have risked killing him and getting worldwide condemnation. But the problem is that all western media has elevated him to the status of a messaiah, even though he has done jackshit except great pubic relations and asking other young ukrainians to die on twiter, you have fools on linkedin crying praise for him comparing him to rambo and what not. This guy could have prevented the war and devastation of his country by just saying a single line - Ukraine will not join Nato. May no country get such an idiot for a leader.

Interesting how your viewpoint asymmetric. Every leader today in war can be accused of the same, and certainly keyboard warrior Putin who you don't mention at all.
Nobody listens to the leader unless they believe in it. Men never left Ukraine. Refugees started returning in June. He may be a keyboard warrior: but this is not the 1500s where the ruler himself goes into battle. The fact that there are no desertions and the men choose to fight is all you should know.

The Taliban also fought (successfully) what they believed in and prevailed
 

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This comedian has destroyed his country. Hiding out in his comfortable bunker, he comes out every other day on twitter asking young Ukrainians to die fighting for him. A real keyboard warrior and poster boy for the west. It was indeed brave of him not to flee when Russian forces were outside Kyiv, but tbh he wasnt in any real danger, no way Russian forces would have risked killing him and getting worldwide condemnation. But the problem is that all western media has elevated him to the status of a messaiah, even though he has done jackshit except great pubic relations and asking other young ukrainians to die on twiter, you have fools on linkedin crying praise for him comparing him to rambo and what not. This guy could have prevented the war and devastation of his country by just saying a single line - Ukraine will not join Nato. May no country get such an idiot for a leader.

If Zelensky was not a Jew, will Ukraine get the same support from the US and NATO?
 

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Interesting how your viewpoint asymmetric. Every leader today in war can be accused of the same, and certainly keyboard warrior Putin who you don't mention at all.
Nobody listens to the leader unless they believe in it. Men never left Ukraine. Refugees started returning in June. He may be a keyboard warrior: but this is not the 1500s where the ruler himself goes into battle. The fact that there are no desertions and the men choose to fight is all you should know.

The Taliban also fought (successfully) what they believed in and prevailed

Ok you might have a point, but doesnt change the fact that he could have prevented the war by saying 1 line - Ukraine will never join Nato. If he's not a coward, he's still very incompetent and responsible for his country's destruction.
 
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Ok you might have a point, but doesnt change the fact that he could have prevented the war by saying 1 line - Ukraine will never join Nato. If he's not a coward, he's still very incompetent and responsible for his country's destruction.

I don't recall not join NATO is one of Russia's conditions. Russia had 3 conditions:

1. recognition of Crimea as Russian land

2. recognition of Donbas as independent

3. demilitarization of Ukraine
 

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I don't recall not join NATO is one of Russia's conditions. Russia had 3 conditions:

1. recognition of Crimea as Russian land

2. recognition of Donbas as independent

3. demilitarization of Ukraine

Those conditions came after the invasion had began and they had already conquered Donbas. Those were the conditions for stopping further Russian advance into Ukraine. Before the invasion started, the only Russian condition was that Ukraine should not join Nato.
 

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This comedian has destroyed his country. Hiding out in his comfortable bunker, he comes out every other day on twitter asking young Ukrainians to die fighting for him. A real keyboard warrior and poster boy for the west. It was indeed brave of him not to flee when Russian forces were outside Kyiv, but tbh he wasnt in any real danger, no way Russian forces would have risked killing him and getting worldwide condemnation. But the problem is that all western media has elevated him to the status of a messaiah, even though he has done jackshit except great pubic relations and asking other young ukrainians to die on twiter, you have fools on linkedin crying praise for him comparing him to rambo and what not. This guy could have prevented the war and devastation of his country by just saying a single line - Ukraine will not join Nato. May no country get such an idiot for a leader.
That is exactly all War Time President should do.

Do you expect Churchill to come out and fight when UK is threatened? How about Stalin? How about FDR? How about Ghani strapping a pair of Ak-47 and try to fend off Taliban in the last stand? No head of state will actually go into a fight in a war, it's not 1400 when the British King or Princes are amongst those men who charge the enemy or today war have no place for Caesar or Alexander the Great. I am pretty sure if Zelenskyy were to ask for a Rifle and fight in the front, their Army would have stop him from doing so.

A leader CANNOT lose the big picture, gather support and galvanise the country, he have to understand the course of war, and what they can and cannot do or take, that is the exact role a leader should be in, and this is exactly not what Putin's doing, that's why he is so off with the current situation, if you had to have the leader in Assault Rifle standing in the frontline and fend off the enemy, it would make good movie or novel, but I will say your war had already lost.
 

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That is exactly all War Time President should do.

Do you expect Churchill to come out and fight when UK is threatened? How about Stalin? How about FDR? How about Ghani strapping a pair of Ak-47 and try to fend off Taliban in the last stand? No head of state will actually go into a fight in a war, it's not 1400 when the British King or Princes are amongst those men who charge the enemy or today war have no place for Caesar or Alexander the Great. I am pretty sure if Zelenskyy were to ask for a Rifle and fight in the front, their Army would have stop him from doing so.

A leader CANNOT lose the big picture, gather support and galvanise the country, he have to understand the course of war, and what they can and cannot do or take, that is the exact role a leader should be in, and this is exactly not what Putin's doing, that's why he is so off with the current situation, if you had to have the leader in Assault Rifle standing in the frontline and fend off the enemy, it would make good movie or novel, but I will say your war had already lost.

ok fine, what about my other point? That his ego got the better of him and he could have stopped this needless war by saying that Ukraine will not join Nato. From my perspective, his stubborness and ego was what caused this war, and if thats true, then he should be fighting rather than doing PR relations from the bunker. Did he bother to consult other Ukrainians if they would prefer to die for a pro west independent foreign policy ? No he didn't, it was his own decision. Ukrainian people might have chosen to maintain status quo and a pro Russia tilt at gunpoint.
 

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ok fine, what about my other point? That his ego got the better of him and he could have stopped this needless war by saying that Ukraine will not join Nato. From my perspective, his stubborness and ego was what caused this war, and if thats true, then he should be fighting rather than doing PR relations from the bunker.
You have to be EXTREMELY naive to think if he simply said "Ukraine will not join NATO" and Russia would not want to invade. Russia don't just want Ukraine to join NATO, Russia want Ukraine as its proxy, this is something never going to happen.

Also, NATO issue is not something Zelenskyy can decide on his own, it have to be agree by all member, all 30 members, in essence, Russia don't need to have Ukraine say no to NATO to stop Ukraine from ever joining NATO, Russia only need to use its influence and have 1, just 1 of the 30 NATO members to say no to prevent Ukraine from ever joining NATO. And Russia have had a lot of hold in NATO countries, especially France, Hungary and even Turkey before this war, now that's nothing.

And finally, Putin did not plan this war in December last year. That is the time all the equipment are shipped to the staging area, this war takes years to plan, a lot to be put into the calculation to, mostly Russia is eyeing the rest of Ukraine after 2014. the entire NATO issue is what? 2 Years? Russia take longer to save up their Foreign Reserve. The war, at least what's on Putin mind, happened way longer than that.

You don't need an international politics degree to know the NATO thing is just Bullshit. Russia would have attacked Ukraine whether or not they have ambition on Joining NATO anyway. Russia saw Zelenskyy and thought he is soft, he is an actor, he will just melt away and have no stomach for war, I mean, what a comedian will to fight in a war? That's why Putin pull the trigger, but what Putin can't pin it on is he stay and rally his country, which is what backfired on Putin.
 

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You have to be EXTREMELY naive to think if he simply said "Ukraine will not join NATO" and Russia would not want to invade. Russia don't just want Ukraine to join NATO, Russia want Ukraine as its proxy, this is something never going to happen.

Also, NATO issue is not something Zelenskyy can decide on his own, it have to be agree by all member, all 30 members, in essence, Russia don't need to have Ukraine say no to NATO to stop Ukraine from ever joining NATO, Russia only need to use its influence and have 1, just 1 of the 30 NATO members to say no to prevent Ukraine from ever joining NATO. And Russia have had a lot of hold in NATO countries, especially France, Hungary and even Turkey before this war, now that's nothing.

And finally, Putin did not plan this war in December last year. That is the time all the equipment are shipped to the staging area, this war takes years to plan, a lot to be put into the calculation to, mostly Russia is eyeing the rest of Ukraine after 2014. the entire NATO issue is what? 2 Years? Russia take longer to save up their Foreign Reserve. The war, at least what's on Putin mind, happened way longer than that.

You don't need an international politics degree to know the NATO thing is just Bullshit. Russia would have attacked Ukraine whether or not they have ambition on Joining NATO anyway. Russia saw Zelenskyy and thought he is soft, he is an actor, he will just melt away and have no stomach for war, I mean, what a comedian will to fight in a war? That's why Putin pull the trigger, but what Putin can't pin it on is he stay and rally his country, which is what backfired on Putin.
Actually the way the Russian forces have failed shows that it was done with barely any planning and was a last minute thing, they were running out of supplies and air support like 2 weeks into the war.
 

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Actually the way the Russian forces have failed shows that it was done with barely any planning and was a last minute thing, they were running out of supplies and air support like 2 weeks into the war.
Not the actual war planning, I don't think they have done any actual war plan, like which town to take to cut off Ukrainian reinforcement and so on, those are operational level planning.

I said Putin probably planned to go in and take the Rest of Ukraine. after 2014 "success", he probably plans on taking the rest, as in preparation and strategic planning, which troop they need, stocking up supplies, blood, ammunition, food etc, and stocking up foreign reserve, deploying the troop and train the troop for the task at hand, all that you can see Putin had done it quite far away, it was not just 1 or 2 or even 3 years' time you can get all them done. You don't need to look far, you can't accumulate 650 billion foreign reserves in just 1 or 2 years, that is multi-year making (Even if you save 100 billion a year, it will take you 6 years), which point to Putin is planning on using it on something that may be pissing off the West, care to guess what that would be when he start stocking up Foreign Reserve in Russian Central Bank??
 

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I don't recall not join NATO is one of Russia's conditions. Russia had 3 conditions:

1. recognition of Crimea as Russian land

2. recognition of Donbas as independent

3. demilitarization of Ukraine
This is one of Russias main points of contention. You clearly don't know the history of this conflict. Simple Google search will help you get all the info
 

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ok fine, what about my other point? That his ego got the better of him and he could have stopped this needless war by saying that Ukraine will not join Nato. From my perspective, his stubborness and ego was what caused this war, and if thats true, then he should be fighting rather than doing PR relations from the bunker. Did he bother to consult other Ukrainians if they would prefer to die for a pro west independent foreign policy ? No he didn't, it was his own decision. Ukrainian people might have chosen to maintain status quo and a pro Russia tilt at gunpoint.
It is not like Zelensky wakes up and says I want to join NATO. All the 30 NATO members need to approve Ukraine's application. Everyone will evaluate Ukraine's application with an eye on Russia
Prior to the current war there would be plenty of skeptics willing to block Ukraine's NATO application.

The real elephant in the room is not NATO but EU. Assume Ukraine joins the EU. They get to work in the rich countries of Western Europe. How do you think citizens of Russia will look at that ?
 

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