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Saifullah

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Essentially this is Saudi Arabia signing.

Looking at a 2021 timeframe for it to normalize relationships - and frankly nobody will do anything except Pakistanis who will destroy their own buildings, infrastructure, parks etc along with causing billions in economic loss in “protest” to it.
The actions could be wrong but sentiments are not.

When everyone in Pakistani Establishment is bent on fucking up and no one care about the country and the people than stupid actions while protesting are bound to happen. I won't blame the people.
 

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The actions could be wrong but sentiments are not.

When everyone in Pakistani Establishment is bent on fucking up and no one care about the country and the people than stupid actions while protesting are bound to happen. I won't blame the people.
Ah yes - the people are innocent in this zionist conspiracy
 

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Bro, this was always the plan. Calm down there is no use of spreading bloodshed of other innocent Muslims in Egypt for the crimes of the elite. Allah will make them pay.

We all know that Arabs have left Palestinians. I feel this is the time of great tribulation and we were told not to fight at this time as it will be difficult to segregate right with the wrong (eg Al-Qaeda, Taliban and ISIS). With a heavy heart and sorrow I feel that Palestine should give away its claim of separate nation and should migrate with the intention of coming under the banner of a true Muslim leader and army to reclaim the sacred place of Allah from the evil zionists, otherwise innocent Palestine will kept on dying.

This was all foretold by the Prophet SAW. May Allah give strength to Palestinians. We Pakistani can feel your pain. Unfortunately to keep us engaged another enemy of Islam (Hindus of India) are being unleashed on us and unfortunately we also don't have any border to intervene directly.
I understand brother, believe me, but dynamics of Arab world is different. They are pushing anti-Islam culture in the region and indoctrinating them to doubt it. Palestine is one little problem in the sea of problems in the region. I do not want the region to change because of Palestine as I'm not nationalist guy to care about nationalistic future Palestinian state. I don't get along with a lot of Palestinian people and I'm an God first guy.

This whole process starts with reducing Islam to a culture and not a way of life. Islam is submitting to, obeying, and loving God. The first step was separating people from their personal relationship with God. And then reducing Islam to a culture. And now you have Muslims scared of Islam or thinking it is backward man-made culture and being scared of God too. When actually God loves his servants and those who repent and he has personal relationship with his creation, us the human beings. So we need to restore this love of God and allegiance to him in this region as first step then teach people how to get back to following Islam properly.

As for Arab world, if there is a situation where Gaza question is to be dealt with, and all these parties are in on it and if Egypt takes clear side with the enemy then youth of Ikhwan Masr and youth of Gaza need to intervene. Not the fat politicians who looking for money and status. The young people need to take their fate in their hands and they are not like Syrian opposition(nationalist side or Salafi side) which did everything wrong.

That can all be avoided if Sisi regime stops persecuting innocent people of Egypt and take a clear side with Gaza. If they are stubborn to do the right thing than they will meet their fate.
 

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I understand brother, believe me, but dynamics of Arab world is different. They are pushing anti-Islam culture in the region and indoctrinating them to doubt it. Palestine is one little problem in the sea of problems in the region. I do not want the region to change because of Palestine as I'm not nationalist guy to care about nationalistic future Palestinian state. I don't get along with a lot of Palestinian people and I'm an God first guy.

This whole process starts with reducing Islam to a culture and not a way of life. Islam is submitting to, obeying, and loving God. The first step was separating people from their personal relationship with God. And then reducing Islam to a culture. And now you have Muslims scared of Islam or thinking it is backward man-made culture and being scared of God too. When actually God loves his servants and those who repent and he has personal relationship with his creation, us the human beings. So we need to restore this love of God and allegiance to him in this region as first step then teach people how to get back to following Islam properly.

As for Arab world, if there is a situation where Gaza question is to be dealt with, and all these parties are in on it and if Egypt takes clear side with the enemy then youth of Ikhwan Masr and youth of Gaza need to intervene. Not the fat politicians who looking for money and status. The young people need to take their fate in their hands and they are not like Syrian opposition(nationalist side or Salafi side) which did everything wrong.

That can all be avoided if Sisi regime stops persecuting innocent people of Egypt and take a clear side with Gaza. If they are stubborn to do the right thing than they will meet their fate.
You are absolutely right brother. However arab leadership is has succeeded in portraying islam as a culture only however as per Quran most of the people of the earth will remain non believer.

Furthermore creation of israel and destruction of arabs was also foretold but during those battles we were told to shut our doors and not to participate in such wars (the war over mountain of gold).

In todays tribulation time we need to preserve our strngth and need to work on uniting more and more like minded people as we are too weak to fight. We have to wait for the right leadership and right time.

As far as i see we true muslim should avoid getting involved in these war as we will be answerable to Allah even if we kill one innocent muslim... May Allah give strength and patience to palestinian and send his devout for your help.

We Pakistani have a real respect and love for u.
 

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You are absolutely right brother. However arab leadership is has succeeded in portraying islam as a culture only however as per Quran most of the people of the earth will remain non believer.

Furthermore creation of israel and destruction of arabs was also foretold but during those battles we were told to shut our doors and not to participate in such wars (the war over mountain of gold).

In todays tribulation time we need to preserve our strngth and need to work on uniting more and more like minded people as we are too weak to fight. We have to wait for the right leadership and right time.

As far as i see we true muslim should avoid getting involved in these war as we will be answerable to Allah even if we kill one innocent muslim... May Allah give strength and patience to palestinian and send his devout for your help.

We Pakistani have a real respect and love for u.
Wise advice brother, you are right it requires right time and leadership, and the Quran revelation you mentioned hit at heart. Jazakallah Khayr, may Allah give us the patience.

I have a lot of love and respect for Pakistan and Pakistani brothers/sisters as well. May Allah bless you guys and your country.

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I have been reviewing information regarding this deal. My key takeaways are:
  • Palestinians are irrelevant to the deal
  • UAE is concerned that GCC will be abandoned by USA as it shifts to Asia and achieves energy independence. UAE took this action to remain relevant in the USA's calculus.
  • UAE is worried about Iran and Turkey's rising influence in the region.
  • UAE is embracing the split of the region into two blocs. Egypt, GCC, and Israel on one side. Turkey, Iran, and Qatar in the other side.
  • KSA is in a bad position. Isolated in Washington. Hesitant to abandon the Palestinians. Losing its central position in the Islamic world. Being out maneuvered by UAE.
 

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Quite a lot of backward people in here opposing peace. No surprise on pdf which has a lot of people with archaic views.

The palestinians can't even be at peace with themselves, so how on earth are they going to be at peace with
Israel?

The palestinians overplayed their hand as they always do. Never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Quite simply, the Arabs have become tired of the palestinians holding back the entire region.

The palestinians are serial rejectionists. They're so predictable. Any time there's a hint of peace, out they come burning flags and pictures of Arab leaders.

They have held the middle east hostage for decades. Arab leaders needed the palestinian distraction for decades to cover their own ineptitude and failures. Now the Arab world is realising oil isn't as valuable, Iran is a looming threat and the palestinians are happy with the status quo of having a 'cause' and sucking on the welfare teat.

Why would Abbas want to create peace? he would then need to actually develop a self sufficient state and all that it entails. That's a lot of work, made even more difficult by the fact the palestinian leadership have been promising ALL of Israel to their people for decades.

Nah, better to stay as the infantilised welfare perpetual refugees funded by Europe and other states, permanently 'fighting' (stabbing random Jews) for a Narnia they will never get.
 

CrazyZ

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Quite a lot of backward people in here opposing peace. No surprise on pdf which has a lot of people with archaic views.

The palestinians can't even be at peace with themselves, so how on earth are they going to be at peace with
Israel?

The palestinians overplayed their hand as they always do. Never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Quite simply, the Arabs have become tired of the palestinians holding back the entire region.

The palestinians are serial rejectionists. They're so predictable. Any time there's a hint of peace, out they come burning flags and pictures of Arab leaders.

They have held the middle east hostage for decades. Arab leaders needed the palestinian distraction for decades to cover their own ineptitude and failures. Now the Arab world is realising oil isn't as valuable, Iran is a looming threat and the palestinians are happy with the status quo of having a 'cause' and sucking on the welfare teat.

Why would Abbas want to create peace? he would then need to actually develop a self sufficient state and all that it entails. That's a lot of work, made even more difficult by the fact the palestinian leadership have been promising ALL of Israel to their people for decades.

Nah, better to stay as the infantilised welfare perpetual refugees funded by Europe and other states, permanently 'fighting' (stabbing random Jews) for a Narnia they will never get.
The Palestinians are not relevant to this "peace deal". The regimes in the GCC are insecure and need arms and legitimacy from the USA. GCC and Iran have to deescalate and normalize relations for the region to stabilize.

External actors will never allow this. Divide and conquer is archaic but effective.
 

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My take on it is that it is more of the non GCC Arabs and older generation GCC Arabs that hate the deal. Younger generation is a lot more not giving a shit about Israel especially educated in the West, and seem themselves more as Emirati, or Saudi, or Kuwaiti before they seem themselves as Arab. I doubt they would "rise up" against their governments anytime soon.
My sense is that the younger generation in gulf isn't old enough to know how Zionist neocons in the USA ruined numerous Arab nations while colluding with Iran against Sunni/Arab countries in order to create a sectarian rift in the region. They know only the Yemen war in which Iran/Shia are the enemy.

From some one that is old enough to remember....these Zionist neocons in the USA back in the early 2000's were deeply intertwined with the Likud party. This is why I find signing this deal with Netanyahu so stunning. You are signing a deal with the very folks that put the gulf in its current predicament vis a vis Iran. At least do it with Benny Gantz, who is at least softer on the Palestinians.
 

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Ah yes - the people are innocent in this zionist conspiracy
I was only talking about this: "frankly nobody will do anything except Pakistanis who will destroy their own buildings, infrastructure, parks etc along with causing billions in economic loss in “protest” to it."
 

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Quite a lot of backward people in here opposing peace. No surprise on pdf which has a lot of people with archaic views.

The palestinians can't even be at peace with themselves, so how on earth are they going to be at peace with
Israel?

The palestinians overplayed their hand as they always do. Never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Quite simply, the Arabs have become tired of the palestinians holding back the entire region.

The palestinians are serial rejectionists. They're so predictable. Any time there's a hint of peace, out they come burning flags and pictures of Arab leaders.

They have held the middle east hostage for decades. Arab leaders needed the palestinian distraction for decades to cover their own ineptitude and failures. Now the Arab world is realising oil isn't as valuable, Iran is a looming threat and the palestinians are happy with the status quo of having a 'cause' and sucking on the welfare teat.

Why would Abbas want to create peace? he would then need to actually develop a self sufficient state and all that it entails. That's a lot of work, made even more difficult by the fact the palestinian leadership have been promising ALL of Israel to their people for decades.

Nah, better to stay as the infantilised welfare perpetual refugees funded by Europe and other states, permanently 'fighting' (stabbing random Jews) for a Narnia they will never get.
You expect Palestinians to stay at peace when their land has been forcefully occupied by outsiders who were invited as guests ? What sort of a hypocritical peace is that of Israel ?
 

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I have been reviewing information regarding this deal. My key takeaways are:
  • Palestinians are irrelevant to the deal
  • UAE is concerned that GCC will be abandoned by USA as it shifts to Asia and achieves energy independence. UAE took this action to remain relevant in the USA's calculus.
  • UAE is worried about Iran and Turkey's rising influence in the region.
  • UAE is embracing the split of the region into two blocs. Egypt, GCC, and Israel on one side. Turkey, Iran, and Qatar in the other side.
  • KSA is in a bad position. Isolated in Washington. Hesitant to abandon the Palestinians. Losing its central position in the Islamic world. Being out maneuvered by UAE.
Good summary dude!
 

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