• Sunday, February 17, 2019

U.S. to tweak its aircraft carrier weapons to help Marines take S.C.S. islands in a missile fight

Discussion in 'Naval Warfare' started by Jyotish Kailashkumar, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Jyotish Kailashkumar

    Jyotish Kailashkumar FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    1,559
    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2018
    Ratings:
    +1 / 962 / -6
    Country:
    Suriname
    Location:
    Netherlands
    US to tweak its aircraft carrier weapons to help Marines take South China Sea islands in a missile fight

    ALEX LOCKIE

    JAN 25, 2019


    The US Marine Corps is developing a new concept of naval warfare to allow Marines to take South China Sea islands from Beijing in the context of a massive missile fight in the Pacific.

    Marine Corps leaders at the Surface Navy Association's annual national symposium told USNI News that today's naval protocol wasn't what the force was looking for to take on China's Pacific fortress.

    China has spent years dredging up the sea floor to build artificial islands in the South China Sea, an international waterway.

    Despite promising never to militarize the islands and losing an international arbitration case concluding they did not own the islands, China has enforced de facto control over the vital shipping lane that sees trillions in annual trade.

    The US regularly contests China's claims to these waters by sailing US Navy destroyers through the area, but China has increasingly responded with militaristic rhetoric and one Chinese admiral even calling for the sinking of US aircraft carriers.

    [​IMG]

    But the US remains committed to checking China's land grab in the Pacific, and accordingly, it's crafting war plans to stand up to Beijing's growing military and rocket forces.

    Taking Beijing's islands is central to those plans, US Marine Corps Maj. Gen. David Coffman said, according to USNI News.

    Coffman said "integrated naval operations could be needed to take an island somewhere - natural or manmade," in a likely reference to Beijing's man-made South China Sea outposts.

    "It certainly will be required when a great power competition pits a whale against an elephant, or maybe two elephants - a global maritime power, that's us, against a regional land power hegemon with home-field advantage," he continued, again referencing China as an "elephant," or a land power that the US, a "whale" or maritime power would have to overcome.

    "In that long war, maritime superiority is necessary but not sufficient for the whale to beat the elephant," he said.

    In other words, the US Navy and Marines can't just win the fight with better sea power, they will also need to make landings.

    But those landings will have to be made under a massive missile attack.

    Can the carriers survive?

    [​IMG]
    The amphibious assault ship USS America (LHA 6) conducts flight operations near the island of Hawaii, July 30, 2016.

    China recently deployed DF-26 "carrier killer" missiles to its northwest where they could sink US ships from outside the range of the longest-legged Navy platform.

    The South China Sea now hosts a vast network of radars that experts say could be used to track and kill US naval aviation, even the stealth kind.

    Additionally, a recent study that looked at carrier survivability at the Heritage Foundation revealed that China could likely muster up 600 anti-ship missiles and that a carrier strike group could likely only down 450 of those fires.

    As a result, Coffman said the normal three-ship Amphibious Ready Group and the accompanying a Marine Expeditionary Unit on small deck carriers would no longer cut it.

    Up gunning the fleet

    [​IMG]
    U.S. Marines assigned to 3rd Assault Amphibian Battalion observe the approach of amphibious assault vehicles (AAV) during well deck operations aboard amphibious transport dock ship USS Somerset (LPD 25). Somerset is participating in Exercise Dawn Blitz 2015 (DB-15).

    The solution? Up-gunning the small carriers and including destroyers and cruisers in the battle formation.

    "Every ship has to be a warship that can defend itself, have an offensive striking capability and be able to deal with the threats that are coming in, be it a cyber threat - so it needs a good network - or whether it's a kinetic threat in the form of a missile that's coming at it," Lt. Gen. Brian Beaudreault said, according to USNI.

    Beaudreault suggested putting vertical lauch cells on new US Marine Corps helicopter and F-35B carriers to handle incoming threats, essentially turning these amphibious flattops into aircraft-carrying destroyers in their own right.

    https://www.businessinsider.in/us-t...s-in-a-missile-fight/articleshow/67680643.cms
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  2. Yaseen1

    Yaseen1 SENIOR MEMBER

    Messages:
    3,447
    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2014
    Ratings:
    +0 / 2,232 / -6
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Pakistan
    China will nuke these islands if u.s capture them it is not easy for u.s it will lead to nuclear war
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  3. Hamartia Antidote

    Hamartia Antidote ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    14,986
    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2013
    Ratings:
    +25 / 11,089 / -4
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States
    They aren't going to explode any nuclear weapons near their territory and have the winds blow the radioactive fallout into Hong Kong and Shenzen
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  4. ziaulislam

    ziaulislam ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    8,698
    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2010
    Ratings:
    +9 / 5,627 / -2
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    United States
    US couldn't hold the Chinese even when Chinese didnt had rifles in Vietnam..what are you talking about..!
    i am doubting usa will even get involved in war to support it allies like Taiwan
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  5. Yaseen1

    Yaseen1 SENIOR MEMBER

    Messages:
    3,447
    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2014
    Ratings:
    +0 / 2,232 / -6
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Pakistan
    They can use tactical nukes which not affect surrounding
     
  6. The SC

    The SC ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    15,893
    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2012
    Ratings:
    +16 / 15,883 / -0
    Country:
    Canada
    Location:
    Canada
    South China sea or else..I think it is a good idea to have VLS on ACs..
     
  7. randomradio

    randomradio SENIOR MEMBER

    Messages:
    6,531
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2016
    Ratings:
    +12 / 4,514 / -24
    Country:
    India
    Location:
    India
    So the US is planning to convert their AAWs into something similar to the Kiev class.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Crystal-Clear

    Crystal-Clear SENIOR MEMBER

    Messages:
    3,105
    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Ratings:
    +0 / 2,082 / -2
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Pakistan
    wont happen . this need ball of titanium which usa lacks .
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  9. Dante80

    Dante80 FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    545
    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2018
    Ratings:
    +1 / 807 / -0
    Country:
    Greece
    Location:
    Greece
    If I understand Beaudreault correctly, he is referencing the LX(R) class that is coming with LPD-30. The problem here is that while it has been known for some time that the USMC would like to add offensive an VLS cap to the San Antonio class, it doesn't seem to be the case going forward, at least as far is the last two ships of the class are concerned (USS Fort Lauderdale/LPD-28 and USS Richard M. McCool Jr./LPD-29).

    Not sure whether LX(R) will possess that capability either. Over the years, we have seen a number of proposals that actually border the ludicrous. Take for example, the - now purged from the internet - HII proposal for an LPD with 288 Mk41 VLS missile tubes and a radar with 1000 times the sensitivity of the SPY-1D radar of the Burke destroyers to fit both BMD and offensive strike duties.

    So, I don't think there is anything concrete in this. When the/a new USMC doctrine is indeed approved and fleshed out, then we will see about said priorities coming to life. To give an example of how it would look like - as far as setting and prose is concerned, I enclose a blast in the past, from 1992. For your reference.
     

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Jan 26, 2019
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  10. Feng Leng

    Feng Leng FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    1,741
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Ratings:
    +0 / 4,101 / -10
    Country:
    China
    Location:
    China
    The price of a failed attack for US is losing Hawaii.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  11. Oldman1

    Oldman1 SENIOR MEMBER

    Messages:
    6,601
    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Ratings:
    +2 / 3,126 / -1
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States
    Nah won't happen. Nuking your own islands is one thing. Nuking Hawaii is another.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  12. maximuswarrior

    maximuswarrior ELITE MEMBER

    Messages:
    8,160
    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2016
    Ratings:
    +3 / 14,234 / -6
    Country:
    Netherlands
    Location:
    Netherlands
    These Americans are on a suicide mission.
     
  13. nahtanbob

    nahtanbob SENIOR MEMBER

    Messages:
    2,211
    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2018
    Ratings:
    +0 / 596 / -9
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States
    all I can say is big mouth
     
  14. James David

    James David PROFESSIONAL

    Messages:
    489
    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2015
    Ratings:
    +1 / 668 / -0
    Country:
    United States
    Location:
    United States
    Go ahead NUKE the islands dude!

    We will support Taiwan. Don't yah worry!

    They Nuke us, we wipe out their so called 2000 year old history.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  15. Feng Leng

    Feng Leng FULL MEMBER

    Messages:
    1,741
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Ratings:
    +0 / 4,101 / -10
    Country:
    China
    Location:
    China
    We will target the white neighborhoods of America and leave black neighborhoods untouched. Once the survivors of America are majority black, the surviving whites would wish they had died in the strike.