What's new

Two Chinese nationals kidnapped in Balochistan

Into the Fire

BANNED

New Recruit

May 9, 2017
94
0
89
Country
India
Location
India
Two Chinese nationals kidnapped in Pakistan
  • Samaa Web Desk
  • 5 hours ago


QUETTA: Two Chinese nationals working in Pakistan were kidnapped Wednesday, local police and China’s state media said, in an attack which could raise safety concerns for Beijing’s multi-billion dollar investment in the country.


The abductions happened in Quetta, the capital of southwestern Balochistan province, which is at the heart of the $50 billion China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), and which is wracked by separatist and insurgents.

“A Chinese couple was kidnapped from the neighbourhood of Jinnah town in Quetta today, the couple were running a Chinese language centre,” senior local police official Aitzaz Goraya told AFP.

“When they left the language centre for lunch, they were dragged into a vehicle without number plates by three unknown men,” he said. The men then began firing weapons in the air to scare off onlookers.

One Chinese woman managed to escape and ran back to the centre, while a passer-by received a gunshot wound.

The incident was confirmed by Ahsan Mehboob, the provincial police chief.

Passer-by Muhammad Zahir told AFP: “I was walking on the road when I saw three men forcing a Chinese woman in a white car and she was refusing and crying, I stopped to observe the situation but they had forced the woman in the car by then and were pushing the man.

“So I rushed to them and asked what they were doing. One of them said we are from the crime branch of the police and we are taking them for investigation and I told them that they should not misbehave with people, then the driver came out and shot me in my foot,” the 35-year-old said.

Chinese state media confirmed the kidnappings, while deputy chief of mission in Islamabad Lijian Zhao said the embassy was working toward their release.

China is ramping up investment in its South Asian neighbour as part of a plan unveiled in 2015 that will link its far-western Xinjiang region to Pakistan’s Gwadar port in Balochistan with a series of infrastructure, power and transport upgrades. -AFP

https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2017/05/two-chinese-nationals-kidnapped-in-pakistan/
 

Indus Pakistan

ELITE MEMBER
May 7, 2012
18,111
179
52,013
Country
Pakistan
Location
United Kingdom
This is indictment of the pathetic state of law enforement in Pakistan then RAW, CIA, Mossad, MI5 and other alphabet demons. Like I said many times before. Don't buy that next frigate, that next tank and instead spend that sacved money on A class well resourced police force in Pakistan to make the country secure.

If it is so easy for the alphabet demons to cause damage to Pakistan why not unleash ISI on USA, Israel or India?
 

R Wing

SENIOR MEMBER
May 23, 2016
2,196
6
3,125
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
LOL. Moody's should have a look at US debt and the bonds that they can't service / cash if the holders decide to "cash" them --- and then downgrade the US to a ridiculously low ranking.

Please remind me what the Moody's rating for the US economy was before the massive crash / meltdown of 2007-8. If it was high / close to average, then Moody's is a worthless entity anyway.

The US keeps printing more dollars domestically and militarily/politically subdues any country hoping to create a legitimate alternative to the US dollar as a global currency. Tools like Moody's and the IMF are just that --- tools to be used for foreign policy purposes.

More on point: LEAs in Balochistan need to do more to secure Chinese visitors / workers.
 

Ajaxpaul

SENIOR MEMBER
Apr 19, 2011
4,415
-5
3,981
Kidnapping is regrettable...Pakistanis should look after the safety aspects instead of blaming RAW, CIA, Mossard for all their short comings.
 

R Wing

SENIOR MEMBER
May 23, 2016
2,196
6
3,125
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
Wrong assumption !
1 "US debt and the bonds that they can't service/cash if the holders decide to "cash" them".
Its like share market, Govts issue bonds with fixed tenure 5 years to 30 yrs. and after completion of there tenure only you can encash them. No gov. actually in this world can return back bonds loans at one go.
So, if you want to get your invested bond money then you have to sell it in market where some other guy will pay you.
So, if chinese govt., want its money back they can sell it in market. Now you will say nobody will buy it. Already Chinese have sold huge amount of bonds in the market and there are crazy buying going for american bonds. Even China in one go sold all there bond they will be easily floated in to the market. :lol:

2. Ofcourse this is huge positive with USA they can grow money out of paper or just by typing any figure on computer (which no other country can do currently). This power gives them huge rating boost . But we are also responsible for this why OPEC sell there oil only in $s ? Everybody trade in $s not Pak Rupee or chinese currency.

3. Agency's like Moody's and the IMF dont come to you to give loans, instead you go to them with begging pan, So, dont blame them.
Large companies and Sovereign nations negotiate with lenders showing there credit ranking for loan negotiation with western banks. No body forcing you to believe in there ranking!! If they were ranking you high they are good, everything is good but the moment they downgrade you suddenly they become tool to undermine you ? :lol:
Why not just apply for loan from some local bank which dont care about ranking ?
At last stop crying like Donkey.

1.) While you are right about certain specifics, you are missing the bigger picture. It's not that simple. China doesn't have the kind of external debt that the US does. Please compare debt-to-military spending or similar figures between the US and China.

2.) You are absolutely right. This is America's biggest tool of power. However you did not address Moody ratings of the US economy before the 2007-8 collapse. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe most ratings were more or less average and could not even predict the MASSIVE meltdown that hit the US economy... therefore there efficacy is under question.

3.) Again, it's not that simple. Have you read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman?" Of course final responsibility is with sovereign governments but these agencies have been known to manipulate issues and serve political / foreign policy purposes for the US govt.

4.) You're clearly new to this forum. Saying things like "begging pan" and "stop crying like a Donkey" won't get you much respect here. Unfortunately Indian govt/hyper-nationalist media type propaganda statements and hyperbole don't go too far. CPEC is here. It's the backbone of OBOR. It's going to change the country and the region, and you can watch from the sidelines. Maybe it's you who should stop finding the tiniest negative news to celebrate... or do you not have anything better to do?

Kidnapping is regrettable...Pakistanis should look after the safety aspects instead of blaming RAW, CIA, Mossard for all their short comings.
Agreed. This is also what other countries in the region should do --- we all have a habit of blaming "foreign hands" instead of our own institutions that are tasked with protection / safeguarding.
 

Jaanbaz

ELITE MEMBER
May 7, 2013
10,399
10
15,425
Country
Pakistan
Location
United Kingdom
I'm sure that monkey Jhadav would know which group is behind kidnapping Chinese workers.
 

SBUS-CXK

SENIOR MEMBER
Mar 18, 2016
5,694
-17
8,201
Country
China
Location
China
China's first rating downgrade in 30 years :
Moody

UPDATED: MAY 24, 2017, 05.19
Moody's downgraded China's long-term local and foreign currency issuer ratings today by one notch to an A1 rating from AA3, citing expectations that the financial strength of the world's second biggest economy would erode in the coming years.

TODAY IS BLACK DAY FOR CHINA :lol:
BB- country has been dark for 70 years
 

ahmadnawaz22

SENIOR MEMBER
Oct 26, 2009
2,949
6
2,803
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
From College Girl throwing stones on Security Forces convoys in Kashmir

To Hooded men kidnapping innocent civilians Shooting labours Blasting in Courts in Baluchistan

This is the difference between struggle of freedom and Sponsored Terrorists.
For those who can see without Mudded Minds its as clear as day light.
 

illusion8

ELITE MEMBER
Sep 18, 2011
12,237
-20
10,902
Country
India
Location
India
From College Girl throwing stones on Security Forces convoys in Kashmir

To Hooded men kidnapping innocent civilians Shooting labours Blasting in Courts in Baluchistan

This is the difference between struggle of freedom and Sponsored Terrorists.
For those who can see without Mudded Minds its as clear as day light.
Active terrorist groups in J&K - most of them recognized as terrorist groups internationally.



Proscribed Terrorist/Extremist Groups
  1. Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM)
  2. Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA, presently known as Harkat-ul Mujahideen)
  3. Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT)
  4. Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM)
  5. Harkat-ul Mujahideen (HuM, previously known as Harkat-ul-Ansar)
  6. Al Badr
  7. Jamiat-ul-Mujahideen (JUM)
  8. Harkat-ul-Jehad-al-Islami(HuJI)
  9. Al Umar Mujahideen
  10. Dukhtaran-e-Millat (DeM)
  11. Front Organisations of Terrorist Groups Active in Jammu and Kashmir
Active Terrorist/Insurgent Groups
  1. Lashkar-e-Omar (LeO)
  2. Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ)
  3. Tehrik-ul-Mujahideen
  4. Jammu & Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF)
  5. All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC)
  6. Mutahida Jehad Council(MJC)
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/jandk/terrorist_outfits/terrorists_list_j&k.htm
 

R Wing

SENIOR MEMBER
May 23, 2016
2,196
6
3,125
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
From College Girl throwing stones on Security Forces convoys in Kashmir

To Hooded men kidnapping innocent civilians Shooting labours Blasting in Courts in Baluchistan

This is the difference between struggle of freedom and Sponsored Terrorists.
For those who can see without Mudded Minds its as clear as day light.
You really have to give it to the Kashmiri freedom fighters for not attacking civilian targets in recent memory. It's a true struggle.

1. External debt , Debt in what ? Dollars ! It is like paper for them and every buyer(of debt bond) know they can never default on it :lol:. So, obviously they enjoy highest rating.
So, you cant compare (US debt to military spending) with any other country. China cant print $s it has to earn it unlike US, if its export growth slows down hence rating which in turn has domino effect on govt. all there loans become costly hence more noncompetitive in market and more chain reactions.
But we cant say US is lucky as only it can print $s. They reach here because of there efforts gaining no 1 economy status most strong and trusted one for the world.
But yes this mad spending could have its adverse effects on US Economy, like devaluation of dollar, but these smart bunch have solution "Innovation", they use the power of dollar and attract the best brains of all over the world and made them work here. Till US keep innovating they will never loose there place. As it resulting in best products and huge value creation in very-2 short period like google Uber facebook apple, n no. of companies they were nowhere just 10 years back it automatically push whole chain like salary's, suppliers, real estate etc etc. Same story on defence side more they actually spend more they earn through Innovation and exporting best equipment to the world. This is the reason they are hungry for wars all their life time overtly or covertly.
IN SHORT DEFENSE SPENDING FOR THEM IS LIKE INVESTMENT UNLIKE OTHERS.

2. Regarding there concept of rating, It is the top secret "How to judge some entity rating" leave me even US no. 1 dont know there criteria :smokin:. So, cant explain.
In fact India itself is pissed there way of rating, recently our finance minister specially meet officials of rating agency and discussed/give presentation why India has case for higher rating as no country in India's rating bracket loging such high GDP growth continuously still India has poor rating.
regarding "could not even predict the MASSIVE meltdown" its obvious nobody other then GOD can predicts future. :-)

3. Again its we who goes to them, there money there rules there agenda. Take It or Leave It.
Remember china also has same way of doing business, you are literally giving then concessions every where, All taxes annulled.

4. apology if wrong behaviour but your reaction was bit odd.
Only future knows CPEC dividends, I dont like to say anything.
Regarding "stop finding the tiniest negative news to celebrate" after all we are enemy nation :lol:.
On serious note you will never found any comment in relation to CPEC from my side, as no one know its future and who predicts are real S***ds.
1.) Agreed! Innovation, R&D and IP development has ensured the US economy dominates. However, the situation isn't as rosy anymore because there are real challenges coming up, especially a widening economic divide in the domestic population.

2.) Of course only God can know everything, but it is a little shocking that the most well-reputed ratings agency did not even have any hint of a depression/recession level meltdown even months before it happened!

3.) Yes, we are making short-term compromises for long-term strategic and economic benefit. The thing about CPEC is that it's not just about projects within CPEC (power, infrastructure, etc.) but also projects that will come as a result of these --- so it's a nice complementary effect (e.g. tourism figures have more than doubled, auto manufacturing interest has skyrocketed, etc.) And of course trade from an active port, land route + strategic military benefits from the rapidly modernizing Chinese security apparatus.

4.) Apology accepted; I did not mean my reaction to be odd either.
 

R Wing

SENIOR MEMBER
May 23, 2016
2,196
6
3,125
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
I differ on 3rd point, you are making long-term compromises for short-term benefit.
How ?
You govt. went out of way to agree special concession like almost all applicable direct taxes are removed, this will create imbalance among your local Industry against Chinese ones, Also as this special concession not gona be provided to any other Investment from other countries, they will feel discrimination and unviable to Invest or expand. Ultimately this step gona make you chinese colony. "Remember my words". In long term you are gona loose far more worth of Investment plus destruction of local Industry, and bad part is you will not get any direct taxes from chinese activities.
I give you an example Apple has just started production in India, It was also demanding high concessions which no other Mobile manufacturer is enjoying on the argument of : - we are bringing you highest cutting edge technology. It sounds good but govt. kept there nerves calm and rejected their proposal for high concessions. Still they started manufacturing and it's not hurting our ecosystem.
Even India rejected to join chinese OBOR still chinese companies are investing here, chinese biggest group WANDA announced 10 billion $ real estate project, he also applied for huge concessions similar to what pakistan got agree. HIS PROPOSAL FOR CONCESSIONS HAD REJECTED. Still he announced this project on the stage of OBOR.
This way we are keeping our door wide open for everyone, also without hitting our revenue source.

Another example of short term thinking, your leadership has agreed to join Islamic coalition under SA. just to keep steady source of few billion dollers (Sunni or wahibism dosent actually matter much for govt. decision making unlike for pakistani civilians who support because of this). It will gona be huge suicide.
Sooner you will have one more enemy on your west border on the lines of Afganistan and India which will stretch your Military budget and resources much more then you gona earn from SA.
Worst part you dont gona get respect from SA nor they rescue from India or Iran. They love there life much more then of any pakistanis life. Its a blunder for short term gain, when already you have 2 sides enemy its not advisable to make your 3 rd side also enemy.
Remember Enemy of enemy are friends, If it is true for Pakistan then it will be true for India as well.
Just my point of view
I respectfully disagree with your take. I reiterate the point that, unlike Apple, China's initiative offers a vast array of benefits that are not necessarily coming out of the CPEC accounts --- for example, increased sharing of military tech, generally increased tourism, massively increased trade, general investor confidence, etc. It's difficult to put a value on these things, as they are long-term and strategic. You are free to disagree with this view.

I think when foreign powers want to play countries like India and Pakistan against their neighbors, they are generally successful... just like the US will help India build itself (in the media, with its Navy, etc.) as a buffer against increasing Chinese influence in Asia.

Finally, I do agree with you to some extent --- I also strongly believe that our alliance with Saudi Arabia has been lopsided and our pathetic leaders have not been able to leverage it correctly. We must actively seek better ties, both economics, military and political, with Iran. One huge step was not committing ourselves to the Saudi war in Yemen --- a few years ago, this was inconceivable. But we said no. And hopefully we will find a better balance in the near future as, in my personal opinion, Wahabbism (and similar schools like Deobandi), have done a great deal of damage to our society.

Without being in Pakistan, it's hard to get a sense of the confidence here. In the news and to our enemies, it seems like endless turmoil. To us, things haven't looked better in years. Time will tell :)

Indian-sponsored terrorists going after soft targets.


Shame on India.
It's good to know who your enemies are.

But then the real shame is on our own institutions who are unable to stop these foreign designs. We must hold them accountable rather than constantly pointing fingers abroad.

I totally agree with your assessment BTW --- I'm just saying we need "a little less conversation, a little more action."
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Total: 1, Members: 0, Guests: 1)


Top Bottom