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Turkish pilots killed by Assad, not crash: leaked documents

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  1. Banu Umayyah

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    Turkish pilots killed by Assad, not crash: leaked documents

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    As political tensions mount between neighboring Syria and Turkey, newly-leaked Syrian intelligence documents obtained by Al Arabiya disclose shocking claims shedding light on the dreadful fate of two Turkish Air Force pilots.

    Contrary to what was publically claimed, the documents reveal that the pilots survived the crash, but were later executed by the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad!

    This disclosure is the first in a series of revelations based on a number of newly-leaked and highly classified Syrian security documents which will be aired in a special program produced by Al Arabiya over the next two weeks; the channel’s English portal – Alarabiya.net English | Front Page – will be carrying a subtitled version of the program on daily basis as well as publishing downloadable copies of the leaked documents.

    The documents were obtained with the assistance of members of the Syrian opposition who refused to elaborate on how they laid hand on the documents.

    Al Arabiya said that it has verified and authenticated hundreds of these documents and that it is has decided to disclose the ones with substantial news value and political relevance.


    The downed jet

    On June 22, a Turkish military jet was shot down by a Syrian missile in international airspace, Ankara’s official report said; a claim Damascus has refuted.

    Assad’s regime said the country’s defense forces shot down the two-seater F-4 Phantom as it was in the Syrian airspace.

    In an interview with Turkish paper Cumhuriyet published in July, Assad said he wished his forces did not shoot down the jet, claiming that Damascus did not know the identity of the plane at the time.

    The incident set off tensions between the former allies, but Ankara, which had vowed a harsh response to any border violations by Syria, limited its reaction to sending military reinforcements to the common frontiers.

    The two pilots on board of the jet were killed.

    But both official reports by Syria and Turkey have restrained their explanation on the causes of the deaths of Air Force Captain Gokhan Ertan and Air Force Lieutenant Hasan Huseyin Aksoy.

    Turkey’s armed forces said it had found the bodies of both pilots on the Mediterranean seabed.

    “The bodies (of the two pilots) have been recovered [from] the seabed and work is underway to bring them to the surface,” the army command said in a statement released early in July.

    The military did not specify where the bodies were found, but there has been no report that the pilots ejected from the plane.

    However, after investigating the leaked documents it obtained, Al Arabiya can now reveal for the first time an alternative narrative of what might have happened to the two Turkish pilots.

    One highly confidential document was sent directly from the presidential office of President Assad to brigadier Hassan Abdel Rahman (who Al Arabiya’s sources identify as the chief of the Syrian Special Operations Unit) states the following:

    “Two Turkish pilots were captured by the Syrian Air Force Intelligence after their jet was shot down in coordination with the Russian naval base in (the Syrian city of) Tartus.”
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    The file therefore reveals two critical reports. First, the pilots were still alive after the plane had crashed. And second, that Russia held its share of involvement in this secretive mission.

    The same document orders the concerned parties to treat both Turkish pilots according to the protocol of war prisoners, as instructed by the president.

    It also requests that both men be investigated about Turkey’s role in supporting the Free Syrian Army (FSA), the country’s main armed opposition group.

    The report also suggests the possibility of transferring the pilots into the neighboring Lebanese territory, leaving them in the custody of Assad’s ally, Hezbollah.

    However, if the Turkish air commanders were not killed upon the crash of their F-4 Phantom, further leaked documents confirm that their death was inevitable.


    Russian “Guidance”

    A subsequently leaked file, also sent from the presidential palace and addressed to all heads of units of the Syrian foreign intelligence, reads: “Based on information and guidance from the Russian leadership comes a need to eliminate the two Turkish pilots detained by the Special Operations Unit in a natural way and their bodies need to be returned to the crash site in international waters.”

    The document also suggests the Syrian government sends a “menacing” message to the Turkish government, insinuating Syria’s capability of mobilizing Kurdistan’s Workers Party (PKK) on the Turkish borders, notifying Ankara from the danger it might face in case of any hostile move.
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    The report insists that the Syrian leadership should hasten and make a formal apology to the Turkish government for bringing down the plane, which would embarrass the Turks and win the support of international public opinion. As such, the Syrian Regime did apologize.

    Al Arabiya’s exclusive series on the newly-leaked Syrian security documents continues tomorrow.
    Turkish pilots killed by Assad, not crash: leaked documents
     
  2. Basbug

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    banu , im reading it on turkish news right now and it says on it , it says it was shot with unguided weapon but its near imposible to shoot down a moving target with it , as you can read is that right? meaning theres some question marks on the documents ?


    This government is the worst in our history , i never seen any government this passive , this bad , this scared , this weak , how could these people represent us unbeliavable.
     
  3. TurAr

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    Wow, this is so fvcked up... The boots and the helmets of the pilots which were found in the sea had raised the questions in Turkey whether the pilots been executed by Assad's thugs or not. I remember the experts were discussing the issue on the TV, and if i'm not mistaken, they were saying that it is not possible for a boot to remove itself from the pilot's foot, same goes for the helmet...

    But how could they survived if there was no sign of ejection from the jet?

    (Now i remember, they were saying that taking off the boots and helmets is a stantard procedure when you are going to land on the water. So it is backing this story up)
     
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    Theres alot of question marks , even from the leaked documents overall , the government really knows what is going on , look what they did , i swear to god liberal ecevit is more brave than erdogan , i still cant beleive how people voted for him , i honestly can say he should enjoy hes last years as PM, hes party is dying out .
     
  5. Banu Umayyah

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    From the leaked documents and the video about it(linked above), it seems they shot it down with Grad missile. The pilots were interrogated, executed "naturally" and then returned to the crash site.
     
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    There is nothing in those documents talking about the weapon they were downed with.

    What? Grad missiles can't even shot down jets, it's almost impossible.
     
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    That's what the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet says...

    One of the 'leaked' document:
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    What's it about?
     
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    There is not even mention of the word grad in the documents man...
     
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    Don't dismiss the posibilty of war mongering... Remember, Davutoglu was talking about the posibility of war yesterday and the exact next day Saudi state (Erdo's brother in arms) controlled media claimed that pilots were murdered by Syrian regime.

    You can remember how the Second Gulf War and Vietnam War was created right? US gave/leaked false information to media and then state lakeys made those fake information headlines. US goverment ''had'' to answer those claims by fueling anger and fear which resulted in enormous support for wars. AKP's Syria policy is not supported by people, only %19 of our citizens support it and now with this information AKP is trying to bring people to their side. Classical war-mongering and dirty politics, nothing else.
     
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    "In accordance with the instructions of our partners in Moscow regarding the current situation, and accordance with the guidance of the professionals of the joint command, and after the escalation with the Turkish side by supplying the terrorists with advanced weaponry we have decided the following:

    1- The Turkish pilots are to be disposed of in natural means and then sent back to the location of the crash.
    2- Make an official apology from the government of Syria.
    3- Flaunt the idea of supporting the PKK to send a message to the government of Turkey that their actions will not be tolerated.
    4- All information extracted from the Turkish pilots are to be sent to Joint command immediately.
    5- Dispose of these instructions immediately and is not to be kept in any file after reading."
     
  11. Banu Umayyah

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    Yes, but it is mentioned in the video several times in around minute 7.
     
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    The authenticity of these leaked documents can easily be authenticated or discredited. Al-Arabiya has verified they are authentic, if you have any proof they are fake, bring it up.
     
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    When you claim something, you need to show your proof or otherwise your words will be worthless. I don't need to bring up anything, it is the Al-Arabiya that needs to bring up its proofs to prove that it's news are credible. Noone would give credit to some printed papers, they need more than that. You can't just say that, ''These leaked CIA documents prove that Aliens exist and anyone who opposes me needs to prove that these documents are not CIA's secret documents that got destroyed years ago.''

    But again, it might be the truth as TurAr mentioned.
     
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    I'm still in favor of war, let's go invade the phucking place.
     
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    Are you going to take their word for it ? How have they authenticated & verified the documents ?