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Many missile projects are in progress, but especially, AKBABA ARM, SOM-J, OMF, and BOZDOGAN missiles are critical gains that will enable us to keep our deterrence all the eastern Mediterranean and connected seas until we reach MMU.

It is very pleasing to see the Bozdoğan missile in seeker tests. Almost no one predicted that Turkey could develop the BVR missile in so much a short time. They did not only show what they could do, but the missile family revealed which have a very different place in the world with some of its unique features.
I hope you know that the IPR of F16 is completely held by the USA which means all its codes, manufacturing techniques etc are only with USA. So, Turkey can't fit any missile which is not acceptable to the USA as the integration of missiles requires codes of F16. Only external missiles like IIR, LGBs fired from external pods can be integrated. This means that any of the Turkish BVR missiles will not be able to be launched on F16 unless they use imported seekers approved by USA.

In addition, Turkish missiles require guidance from GPS for long-range targeting. It is simply like using a high-speed google map rather than a cutting edge technology. Good missiles should be able to use INS guidance and also use radar seekers for active homing at the end. None of the Turkish missiles even come close to that.
 

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I hope you know that the IPR of F16 is completely held by the USA which means all its codes, manufacturing techniques etc are only with USA. So, Turkey can't fit any missile which is not acceptable to the USA as the integration of missiles requires codes of F16. Only external missiles like IIR, LGBs fired from external pods can be integrated. This means that any of the Turkish BVR missiles will not be able to be launched on F16 unless they use imported seekers approved by USA.

In addition, Turkish missiles require guidance from GPS for long-range targeting. It is simply like using a high-speed google map rather than a cutting edge technology. Good missiles should be able to use INS guidance and also use radar seekers for active homing at the end. None of the Turkish missiles even come close to that.

I don't understand what you mean, will the missile travel tens of kilometers with its own seeker?
 

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In addition, Turkish missiles require guidance from GPS for long-range targeting. It is simply like using a high-speed google map rather than a cutting edge technology. Good missiles should be able to use INS guidance and also use radar seekers for active homing at the end. None of the Turkish missiles even come close to that.
You are very very wrong. :) We have INS technology and we have radar seeker for active homing technology. Please give your opinion after detailed research. So we have good air to air missiles.

We can interfere with the mission computer in F-16s. If we want, we can use these missiles on those planes. However, I think agreement with the US is the best option.
 

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I hope you know that the IPR of F16 is completely held by the USA which means all its codes, manufacturing techniques etc are only with USA. So, Turkey can't fit any missile which is not acceptable to the USA as the integration of missiles requires codes of F16. Only external missiles like IIR, LGBs fired from external pods can be integrated. This means that any of the Turkish BVR missiles will not be able to be launched on F16 unless they use imported seekers approved by USA.

In addition, Turkish missiles require guidance from GPS for long-range targeting. It is simply like using a high-speed google map rather than a cutting edge technology. Good missiles should be able to use INS guidance and also use radar seekers for active homing at the end. None of the Turkish missiles even come close to that.

LoL, wher did you get that information?

another troll...
 

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Congrats maybe one day Arabs will catch up to Turkey however unlikely that is.
Turks have started creating national defense industry after arms embargo on Turkey by The US in 1975


Arabs needs 40+ years and $1 trillion to develop 700+ military projects to catch up to Turkey

and Nobody gives critical technologies to another Country


Muslim Countries should be friends , not enemies
better to work with Turkey to win the future ... ( Qatar , Libya , Azerbaijan even Pakistan did it )

Turkey develops military projects for 1,8 billion of İslamic Word ... and Turkish Weapons have high quality NATO standarts

Pakistan vs India
S.Arabia vs İran
Azerbaijan vs Armenia


Turkey will develop almost everything that UN security council ( the US,the UK,France,Russia,China ) have developed

but needs more 10 years
 

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You are very very wrong. :) We have INS technology and we have radar seeker for active homing technology. Please give your opinion after detailed research. So we have good air to air missiles.

We can interfere with the mission computer in F-16s. If we want, we can use these missiles on those planes. However, I think agreement with the US is the best option.
Also

KAŞİF Multi Constellation GNSS Reciever
It is a military grade GNSS receiver which is developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE. It’s RF, electronic hardware, software and algorithmic designs were done by TÜBİTAK SAGE. The receiver has a front-end which supports the usage of GPS L1/L2, GLONASS L1 and GALILEO E1/E5a/E5b signals. The up-to-date firmware and FPGA produces navigation solution only with GPS L1 signals’ tracking. The navigation solution will be produced with different combinations of GNSS signals such as, GPS L1 + GLONASS L1 + SBAS, GPSL1+GPS L2+SBAS and GPS L1 + GALILEO E1. Furthermore, deeply coupled GNSS/INS product versions are also planned.

ATLAS Inertial Measurement Unit
ATLAS IMU is a high performance high accuracy IMU. It's electronic hardware designs, software designs, mechanical designs, algorithm and calibration designs were done by TÜBİTAK SAGE. ATLAS IMU is designed to meet the needs of navigation, guidance and control applications. It provides a very high input range and excellent long-term repeatability. ATLAS IMU can be successfully used on a wide range of weaponry, military, aerospace, marine and land applications such as stabilized platforms, mission critical platforms, guided missile systems, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). Also, it is suitable for commercial applications. It includes three close-loop fiber optic gyroscopes, three navigation grade quartz Accelerometers and associated electronic and optical designs which are all environmentally sealed in rugged housing. ATLAS IMU has two different variants called as TG (Tactical grade) and TG+ (High End Tactical Grade). ATLAS IMU simplifies system integration by offering many configurable features such as data rate output, data communication protocol so that it gives greater flexibility in systems design and integration.

Examples can be expanded. Turkey has no dependence on foreign technologies in this field.

Not content with this, Turkey has developed some alternatives to GPS blocked environment and has successfully tested this in actual military operations, especially in the Syrian theatre.

Nevertheless, a regional positioning system project of TUA for the 2028-2035 range is ongoing. We can discuss these topics for pages. Currently, there are dozens of different threads on related topics in this forum., but I don't think this will help. Because this Indian friend's self-confidence comes from his ignorance what talk about.
 

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I don't understand what you mean, will the missile travel tens of kilometers with its own seeker?
I meant that a missile must be guided using the radar seeker's information. But that requires that the seeker be first synchronised with the F16 radars so as to get initial data for guidance. With F16 being under USA, Turkey can never get its own seekers integrated with F16 radars.
You are very very wrong. :) We have INS technology and we have radar seeker for active homing technology. Please give your opinion after detailed research. So we have good air to air missiles.

We can interfere with the mission computer in F-16s. If we want, we can use these missiles on those planes. However, I think agreement with the US is the best option.
No, Turkey does not have INS technology. INS technology requires semiconductor manufacturing and MEMS technology. Turkey has 700nm semiconductor laboratory equipment gifted by USA that can only do limited functions and can't manufacture the INS needed for the missiles.

No, Turkey can't interfere with F16 mission computers without reverse engineering or writing their own codes. This will require several years of time and will incur USA's wrath who will immediately shut down F16 using kill switch or simply refuse to supply any spare parts, essentially grounding F16s of Turkey.

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KAŞİF Multi Constellation GNSS Reciever
It is a military grade GNSS receiver which is developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE. It’s RF, electronic hardware, software and algorithmic designs were done by TÜBİTAK SAGE. The receiver has a front-end which supports the usage of GPS L1/L2, GLONASS L1 and GALILEO E1/E5a/E5b signals. The up-to-date firmware and FPGA produces navigation solution only with GPS L1 signals’ tracking. The navigation solution will be produced with different combinations of GNSS signals such as, GPS L1 + GLONASS L1 + SBAS, GPSL1+GPS L2+SBAS and GPS L1 + GALILEO E1. Furthermore, deeply coupled GNSS/INS product versions are also planned.

ATLAS Inertial Measurement Unit
ATLAS IMU is a high performance high accuracy IMU. It's electronic hardware designs, software designs, mechanical designs, algorithm and calibration designs were done by TÜBİTAK SAGE. ATLAS IMU is designed to meet the needs of navigation, guidance and control applications. It provides a very high input range and excellent long-term repeatability. ATLAS IMU can be successfully used on a wide range of weaponry, military, aerospace, marine and land applications such as stabilized platforms, mission critical platforms, guided missile systems, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). Also, it is suitable for commercial applications. It includes three close-loop fiber optic gyroscopes, three navigation grade quartz Accelerometers and associated electronic and optical designs which are all environmentally sealed in rugged housing. ATLAS IMU has two different variants called as TG (Tactical grade) and TG+ (High End Tactical Grade). ATLAS IMU simplifies system integration by offering many configurable features such as data rate output, data communication protocol so that it gives greater flexibility in systems design and integration.

Examples can be expanded. Turkey has no dependence on foreign technologies in this field.

Not content with this, Turkey has developed some alternatives to GPS blocked environment and has successfully tested this in actual military operations, especially in the Syrian theatre.

Nevertheless, a regional positioning system project of TUA for the 2028-2035 range is ongoing. We can discuss these topics for pages. Currently, there are dozens of different threads on related topics in this forum., but I don't think this will help. Because this Indian friend's self-confidence comes from his ignorance what talk about.
Read again what you have written. Turkey can only design but can't manufacture. For example, Indians have designed 22nm semiconductor, Chinese have designed 14nm chipsets. But the manufacturing is always done in USA or its satellites (Taiwan, Korea etc).

INS requires semiconductor manufacturing (of at least 350nm) along with complex MEMS technology. Turkey does not have that. Hence even if Turkey designs the INS, it will not be able to manufacture it. The only semiconductor manufacturing Turkey has is limited laboratory equipment gifted by the USA with limited capability to manufacture up to 700nm semiconductor. Turkey does not have any know-how to make its own equipment to manufacture semiconductors either. I am not sure of ATLAS INS but without the above-mentioned technology, it is likely to be having limited INS capabilities. So, Turkey will have a dependence on imports for INS. I am saying this after researching and not meant to offend.

GPS blocked environment implies all GNSS systems being blocked including Galileo, Beidou, GLONASS, NAVIC etc in addition to GPS. It is relatively simple to have these GPS blockers (Libya, North Korea etc used them extensively and you can get smaller versions of them on Amazon for commercial use). The regional positioning system project of TUA is not feasible at least for the next 25 years because Turkey does not have even the basic space programme capable of making SLVs, satellites, communication equipment etc. Making a positioning system requires satellites to be launched at high altitudes (20000km for all GNSS and GEO for Indian NAVIC) which in turn requires much more complex guidance, communications equipment needed for positioning and functioning. This will take a significant amount of time.
 

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According to defence sources Şimşek ( lightning ) target drone converted to mini jet powered munition launched by UAVs.
 

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According to defence sources Şimşek ( lightning ) target drone converted to mini jet powered munition launched by UAVs.

MALD ---> ŞİMŞEK
JSOW ---> SOM-J
HARM ---> AKBABA
AMRAAM ---> GÖKDOĞAN

Missile Trucks , AKSUNGUR, AKINCI etc.
 

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