• Wednesday, January 29, 2020

Turkish Barbaros MLU upgrade program

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  1. cabatli_53

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    Added systems
    • TACTICOS SYS replacement by Genesis Advent
    • AWS-06 Dolphin replacement by Aselsan MAR-D AESA
    • Sea Zenith CIWS replacement by Phalanx Mk-15, Aselsan Gökdeniz and Aselsan STOP
    • AN/SQS-56 Sonar replacement by Aselsan/Armelsan FERSAH Sonar
    • AN/SLQ-25 Torpedo counter system replacement by Aselsan HIZIR Torpedo counter system
    • Cutlas-1B ESM and Scorpion-B EA systems replacement by Aselsan ARES-2NC electronic ESM/ECM attack system
    • The (127mm/54C) main gun get the Aselsan TAKS Fire Control System
    • Aselsan AKR-D X and Ka-Band fire control radars
    • Aselsan PİRİ kats infrared search and track system
    • Armelsan ARAS-2023 diver detection sonar
    • 16 Atmaca Ship to ship missiles
    • Hisar SAM on VL tubes

    In other words basically the Meko 200 is turned into a I-class frigate, this is just wonderful as the whole navy becomes more or less standardized which is extremely important for logistics. It will enable the ships to be network enabled but also because of common sensor suite logistically much easier to maintained -> lower maintenance costs and higher availability (not to mention independent to foreign embargoes / sanctions)

    Not mentioned but expected is that Orca light torpedoes and TORK anti torpedo torpedoes will be added too
    Aselsan MAR-D AESA radar points that HISAR A / O missiles will be added.

    Thanks for summary @Nutuk
     
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  2. Philip the Arab

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    Aye, what's good my nigga? Can't say I knew you were on this forum too.
     
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    Stop polluting threads with nonsense dude.
     
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    Well, political disagreements aside this is good development for Turkish industry if they can actually pull it off in a reasonable amount of time. Though I don't see Atmaca as a majo improvement much over Harpoon.
     
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    Its not about improvement mainly but self sufficiency.
     
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    SOM would have been way better for obvious reasons. Self sufficiency means nothing with globalism, I can probably bet a million dollars at least some major components of Atmaca are not indigenous.
     
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    Well then you keep buying your systems. :tup:
     
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    MEKO TrackIIA/B upgrade
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    Turkey is constructing brand-new domestic warships while upgrading existing fleet to extend operational capability under the network centric naval warfare called Advent CMS. In this aspect, The German MEKO Track IIA/B frigates will be converted into the level of I class frigates. 16 cell VLS, 16 Atmaca SSM, Genesis Advent CMS, Smart-S + MAR-D + AKR-D radars, Gökdeniz CIWS, Fersah SONAR, Hizir torpedo defense system, Ares-2 family ES and electronic attack ststem...etc

    I class frigate is under construction
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    I think Second ship of I class family will receive domestic vertical launch system called MDAS. MDAS will host Hisar-A/O/N and Siper air defense missile system and Gezgin Land attack long range cruise missile.

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    MDAS will be the standart VLS on 7000ton TF-2000 destroyers as It is seen on image. Tf-2000 will launch not only national Siper long range surface to air missiles but also Gezgin VLCM (Tomahawk equivalent) check the image on VLS “Seyir Füzesi” (Cruise missile).

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    Yes thats why they give you downgraded and overpriced equipment, you people deserve to be humilated. Egypt fly with Aim7 sparrow missiles:-), Ksa F15 downgraded then ther buddies Israel. O Egypt buys Frem frigatte with out EW suite and VLS. And the list goes on, thats whats happen when you can not come and produce something.

    In the end Amtaca is a missile with out any strings attached, range is not downgraded, no fear for ambargo and most important not overpriced. Like i wrote you people should humilated and nobody should care about. Let the global world shit on you:-).
     
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    Turkey bought HARPOON for $1 million from the US
    on the other hand Turkey produce ATMACA for less than $500.000

    Also 220+km ATMACA is far superior to 140km HARPOON

    Also Turkey to develop land based variant of ATMACA with RF/IIR seekers for land attack and anti ship capabilities

    soon land based ATMACA Missile will have capability to hit Greek Warships or Greek Air Defense Systems , Airbases from Turkey ....... what a strategic power




    no any major components of Atmaca from abroad ..

    ATMACA Missile from Engine to Seeker , from the Inertial Measurement Unit to missile fuel = Indigenous


    1 ) KALE KTJ-3200 Turbojet Engine
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    2 ) Aselsan RF Seeker
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    3 ) TUBITAK SAGE has developed the Inertial Measurement Unit which is one of the most critical components of Missile Systems

    One of the most critical components of the missile systems we have been dependent is now indigenous
    Inertial Measurement Unit designed for high precision navigation, guidance and control applications

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    4 ) Meteksan KEMENT tactical data link
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    Atmaca is in the last generation, it was stupid for Turkey to develop it when pretty much all CIWS and air defense system know its signature(very similar to Exocet and Harpoon). SOM would have been stealthier, and harder to detect and most likely be able to penetrate air defenses of Greek ships.

    They got them for free, regardless of them not having AMRAAMs.
    Incorrect, F-15SA is better or on par with Israeli F-15s.

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    Turkey has been working for 40+ years on its defense industry and is in NATO so had the benefit of TOT up until recently. KSA, UAE, and Egypt are working on their defense industries slowly, but should become much bigger in the future.
     
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    Really this kid thinks he knows better than Turkish Defence Industry...
    But anyway, SOM is designed for jets - And Akıncı UCAV, is it really hard to understand? A heavy anti ship missile, Atmaca is in another class designed for a different role. We can use naval SOM from our warships if we so choose but Navy doesn't want it. I will trust their decision.
     
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    You don't see SOM like LRASM?
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    LRASM is not for warships use neither. It is for aerial strike. No a comparator for harpoon. So whats your point?
     
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