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No military weapon can match U.S.A weapons. U.S.A is a super power due to a reason. It's choice of U.S.A, how far he can provide it to turkey without restriction . I think U.S.A will hesitate to provide such latest models , due to S400. U.S.A will dictate with terms and conditions, certain restrictions let see if turkey is fine with it.
 

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USA and Turkey to renegotiate the F-35 deal. Read it last night.

Turkey doesn't want a sub-model of the F-35
the agreements concerning the F-35 are no longer relevant, the condition requested by the Turkish engineers is not fulfilled.
Full access to the source code of the device is not accepted by the USA.
If they accept the Turks can reverse their decisions, otherwise this story is a thing of the past.
You do not understand Turkish and you do not know the statements of Turkish experts on this subject.
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The Air Force has already moved to buy new F-15EX aircraft.
The F-15EX costs an estimated $20,000 per hour to fly. The F-35 runs $44,000. Lockheed-Martin has promised to bring that cost down to $25,000, but it’s been promising that for years.
If the U.S. Air Force doesn't want it, neither do the Turks.
 

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In fact, the current debate in defense circles is more about whether the J-10C could be an alternative instead of than the acquisition of the new F-16.

In a part of the Kaner Kurt's Cem Doğut vlog about on the development, current status of the J-10 variants; some important determinations made on this Q: Could the J-10 be an alternative option for the Turkish Air Force?

It is a Pakistan effect, and Pakistan's move is also an exemplary step taken against an enemy force with Rafale and Russian air defense systems, in focus. For this reason, since this news came out, it has been followed closely in Turkish defense circles as well as Pakistani defense circles.
 

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In fact, the current debate in defense circles is more about whether the J-10C could be an alternative instead of than the acquisition of the new F-16.

In a part of the Kaner Kurt's Cem Doğut vlog about on the development, current status of the J-10 variants; some important determinations made on this Q: Could the J-10 be an alternative option for the Turkish Air Force?

It is a Pakistan effect, and Pakistan's move is also an exemplary step taken against an enemy force with Rafale and Russian air defense systems, in focus. For this reason, since this news came out, it has been followed closely in Turkish defense circles as well as Pakistani defense circles.
@JamD ...imagine the irony if this ends up happening...plus WS-10-ed TFX...
 

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@JamD ...imagine the irony if this ends up happening...plus WS-10-ed TFX...

Pakistan has very problematic relation with US and this affecting many strategies of the air force. I don't know because of this or not, but as a result, Pakistan puts J-10C against India's Rafale move. And Rafale is a counter force aircraft not only for Pakistan but also for Turkiye. You can find many similarities where the conditions of TR and Pakistan are close to each other. So basically, does China's opening of this system to Pakistan mean that it opens J10s to export, or is this just a special case for Pakistan? For a more detailed discussion, of course, it is necessary to know the answer to this question.

Are these fighters that Pakistan will acquire, especially about radar suite and long-range A-A (Pl-15s) missiles, exactly the same as the system used by China, or will they be exported in downgraded versions? To what extent does China have a clear policy on the use of different groups of ammunition in the systems it exports? Lastly, Is the maneuvering and close combat capabilities of the J-10C at -low altitude at low speed- as good as Rafale, or with which platforms can it be compared?

So, of course, I am making a one-sided opinion, without knowing China's policies in this area: However, recent J-10 cooperation between Pakistan and China can be key model in increasing the global influence of Chinese aviation.

As I write all this, I am equally aware of the technical difficulty (in terms of TAF) of this job. However, if certain conditions are met, you add an unknown X factor to the equation, which can be defined as the surprise factor.

Still, F-16s are the fastest and easiest way for Turkiye. However, it is not the only way. Turkiye is not after a final solution, policies and investments for national aviation are already underway. What is being sought is a stop-gap solution.
 
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Pakistan has very problematic relation with US and this affecting many strategies of the air force. I don't know because of this or not, but as a result, Pakistan puts J-10C against India's Rafale move. And Rafale is a counter force aircraft not only for Pakistan but also for Turkiye. You can find many similarities where the conditions of TR and Pakistan are close to each other. So basically, does China's opening of this system to Pakistan mean that it opens J10s to export, or is this just a special case for Pakistan? For a more detailed discussion, of course, it is necessary to know the answer to this question.

Are these fighters that Pakistan will acquire, especially about radar suite and long-range A-A (Pl-15s) missiles, exactly the same as the system used by China, or will they be exported in downgraded versions? To what extent does China have a clear policy on the use of different groups of ammunition in the systems it exports? Lastly, Is the maneuvering and close combat capabilities of the J-10C at -low altitude at low speed- as good as Rafale, or with which platforms can it be compared?

So, of course, I am making a one-sided opinion, without knowing China's policies in this area: However, recent J-10 cooperation between Pakistan and China can be key model in increasing the global influence of Chinese aviation.

As I write all this, I am equally aware of the technical difficulty (in terms of TAF) of this job. However, if certain conditions are met, you add an unknown X factor to the equation, which can be defined as the surprise factor.

Still, F-16s are the fastest and easiest way for Turkiye. However, it is not the only way. Turkiye is not after a final solution, policies and investments for national aviation are already underway. What is being sought is a stop-gap solution.
China approved the J-10C for export several years ago along with an export variant of the PL-15. So, the export designations for both are J-10CE and PL-15E.

However, I imagine China will be a little wary about where the J-10CEs and PL-15Es are going as it probably wouldn't want the U.S. to build direct expertise of the fighter through exercises, ELINT tracking, etc. Pakistan does a good job keeping multiple worlds (US, China, Europe, etc) separate. That said, if China gets an opportunity to drop 100 J-10CEs in a single contract, it will work out ways to meet the interests of both itself and Turkiye.
 
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If this happens (big if) then WS10ed TFX is a done deal.
I don't wish this to happen

Because if this happened,PAF will just buy TFX ( now it will be ITAR free ( engine from China,jet from Turkyie)).The very first thing they will do is that they will just abandon project azm at slightest confirmation of WS 10 -ed TFX.
 

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I don't wish this to happen

Because if this happened,PAF will just buy TFX ( now it will be ITAR free ( engine from China,jet from Turkyie)).The very first thing they will do is that they will just abandon project azm at slightest confirmation of WS 10 -ed TFX.
Project AZM will become that TFX. There is some groundwork in that direction already that may not lead to anything though.
 
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Project AZM will become that TFX. There is some groundwork in that direction already that may not lead to anything though.
Was there any progress on the design work you shared here few months ago?

Although personally i believe that localization of JF 17 and even 20% share in TFX is the best way to go.
 

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When I told you that the Turks made the right choice; these F-35s are a problem nest.

According to explanations given by General Shin Ok-chul, the RoKAF deputy chief of staff, the F-35A was flying at low altitude when its pilot was surprised by detonations, which led him to check the systems of its devices.


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These "had ceased to function, with the exception of the flight controls and the engine," General Shin explained during a parliamentary hearing on January 5. And to add that the pilot decided not to eject himself and to try to land his F-35A on his stomach.

As a precaution, and while awaiting the conclusions of the investigation ordered after this incident, the RoKAF decided to immobilize all of its F-35As.
 

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İsmail Demir's (Head of SSB) statement on 16 December: "We definitely have the capability to modernize the F-16s if the US does not approve. We know the kits and we can easily produce them." (meaning we don't want to violate international license agreements.)

"If the US does not allow, can we increase the current F-16s to Block 70/72?" was his answer to the question.
 

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