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Turkish systems are designed for the F-16. It would be impossible to integrate Turkish indigenous systems on a totally different fighter jet where we have zero experience in. Its not something like plug and play and you are way to go..

Our current fleet is formed by F-16's. These jets are be able to operate thanks to the maintenence system. Spare parts are a crucial element of this. Wihtout spare parts you cant keep your fleet operating. You really think that the U.S will deliver spare parts for the F-16's if Turkey make such a move?

Its just unrealistic and way too difficult to change a complete fleet. Ismail Demir is bluffing.
you seem to ignore a lot of things, you speak without knowing !!.
the Turks are 'largely' capable of carrying out their F-16s themselves in operational condition (MCO). It was Turkish Aerospace Industries which, through a technology transfer from Lockheed-Martin, had upgraded the Turkish fighter to the Block 50 165 F-16 standard. This know-how is particularly useful in the event of a diplomatic quarrel with the supplier country.

This is a huge advantage. From the moment the United States gave the Turks the means to make the MCO (maintenance in operational conditions ) of their aircraft.



"If the process [purchase and upgrade of the F-16] does not bring results, Turkey will not be left without an alternative. If necessary, the subject of the Su-35 and Su-57 can be opened at any time," Turkish Defense Minister Ismail Demir insisted on October 18.
 
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At the end of the day everything is possible. The question is how realistic it is for Turkey to swap their fleet to a Russian fleet. The only thing you say is ''its possible if you spend extra billions of dollars''. HOW? How you gonna make this possible? Give us a realistic view of it. In what time you will receive the first jets? In what time the personel will be trained for it? In what time you going to create a maintenance system, spare parts availability and a weapon stock? In what time you going to adjust all the defence companies current designs and products that are developed for F-16's only? All other projects are based on NATO standards... In what time our engineers will be able to change the whole avionic technology in the Ozgur project so that it will suit the Russian fighter jet? Will the U.S deliver spare parts for the current F-16 fleet the moment we decide to swap our fleet to a Russian fleet? Let alone the spare parts, will they even deliver F110 engines for the TF-X??? Our Air Force is able to operatore for 3+ years with their currect stock of weapons and spare parts if such a sanction happen from the U.S. After that you are not even be able to operate 1 F-16. So you basically tell me that its possible to implement all these things i described above in 3 years? Man you are way out of this world if you think that...

And please dont come with stupid nonsense like that i'm saying that Turkey should be the slave of U.S.

The difference between me and you is that i stay realistic and use facts. The way you think and talk is illogic.
Very very good post. You said it all very well. And one thing I am curious about is how do the Turkish pilots feel about getting Russian jet fighters.
 

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Egyptian Pilots use F-16 , Rafale , Mirage-2000 , MIG-29M2 , SU-35


and who cares about Turkish Pilots ?

drive Ferrari or Lamborghini
I'm curious as to what their thoughts are. Of course if the government decides to get Su-30s or Su-35s or Su- 57s,they will fly them. Of course they will fly them. But I wonder what their thoughts and feelings are about getting Russian jet fighters when they've been using F-16s and Phantoms for decades. I'm sure they will find it interesting though.
 

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According to the letter, "earlier this month, it was reported that Turkey had requested the purchase of" 40 Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter jets and the modernization of almost 80 of its existing fighter jets ". On October 17, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters that the United States had "offered to sell a batch of F-16 fighter jets," but the alleged sale has not yet been confirmed. We note that the State Department declined to answer questions about the letter of interest, citing its policy of not commenting on letters of interest prior to briefing Congress. "We believe that the wide media coverage of Turkey's request, as well as the statements made by President Erdogan himself, provide us with a sufficient basis to state our opposition to this possible sale."

Continuing, US lawmakers warn the Secretary of State that a possible upgrade of Turkish F-16s carries risks due to the fact that Ankara continues to possess the Russian S-400 system. "One of the reasons why Congress insisted on rejecting Turkey from the F-35 program was the significant dangers associated with the S-400 and F-35 merger. Experts note that the upgrade to Block 70 poses similar risks if Ankara continues to own Russian S-400s. "Given that upgraded F-16s continue to play an important role for both us and our credible allies, this is a risk that we find unacceptable."




Finally, it is worth noting that US lawmakers warn the State Department not to attempt to resort to legal tricks in order to overcome the CAATSA sanctions reef. In fact, as they emphasize, they will not hesitate to take additional legislative action in order to prevent such a development.

"Given the CAATSA sanctions that have already been imposed, we expect that such a sale could only be finalized by trickery - for example, by trying to sell the aircraft to an entity other than the Turkish Defense Industry, which is under sanctions. "We consider such attempts to be a misrepresentation of Congress 'intent, and we will consider additional legislation to limit this potential market if the government insists on ignoring Congress' intent."
 

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According to the letter, "earlier this month, it was reported that Turkey had requested the purchase of" 40 Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter jets and the modernization of almost 80 of its existing fighter jets ". On October 17, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters that the United States had "offered to sell a batch of F-16 fighter jets," but the alleged sale has not yet been confirmed. We note that the State Department declined to answer questions about the letter of interest, citing its policy of not commenting on letters of interest prior to briefing Congress. "We believe that the wide media coverage of Turkey's request, as well as the statements made by President Erdogan himself, provide us with a sufficient basis to state our opposition to this possible sale."

Continuing, US lawmakers warn the Secretary of State that a possible upgrade of Turkish F-16s carries risks due to the fact that Ankara continues to possess the Russian S-400 system. "One of the reasons why Congress insisted on rejecting Turkey from the F-35 program was the significant dangers associated with the S-400 and F-35 merger. Experts note that the upgrade to Block 70 poses similar risks if Ankara continues to own Russian S-400s. "Given that upgraded F-16s continue to play an important role for both us and our credible allies, this is a risk that we find unacceptable."




Finally, it is worth noting that US lawmakers warn the State Department not to attempt to resort to legal tricks in order to overcome the CAATSA sanctions reef. In fact, as they emphasize, they will not hesitate to take additional legislative action in order to prevent such a development.

"Given the CAATSA sanctions that have already been imposed, we expect that such a sale could only be finalized by trickery - for example, by trying to sell the aircraft to an entity other than the Turkish Defense Industry, which is under sanctions. "We consider such attempts to be a misrepresentation of Congress 'intent, and we will consider additional legislation to limit this potential market if the government insists on ignoring Congress' intent."

If they refuse for Greece becaus of Greece descent senators, Turkey will upgrade every fighter they have in ther inventory. Even the block52+, you made a contract and if you don't want to honour it then we will take our own steps.

The big loser will be Americans because of Greece :p: .
 

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According to the letter, "earlier this month, it was reported that Turkey had requested the purchase of" 40 Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter jets and the modernization of almost 80 of its existing fighter jets ". On October 17, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters that the United States had "offered to sell a batch of F-16 fighter jets," but the alleged sale has not yet been confirmed. We note that the State Department declined to answer questions about the letter of interest, citing its policy of not commenting on letters of interest prior to briefing Congress. "We believe that the wide media coverage of Turkey's request, as well as the statements made by President Erdogan himself, provide us with a sufficient basis to state our opposition to this possible sale."

Continuing, US lawmakers warn the Secretary of State that a possible upgrade of Turkish F-16s carries risks due to the fact that Ankara continues to possess the Russian S-400 system. "One of the reasons why Congress insisted on rejecting Turkey from the F-35 program was the significant dangers associated with the S-400 and F-35 merger. Experts note that the upgrade to Block 70 poses similar risks if Ankara continues to own Russian S-400s. "Given that upgraded F-16s continue to play an important role for both us and our credible allies, this is a risk that we find unacceptable."




Finally, it is worth noting that US lawmakers warn the State Department not to attempt to resort to legal tricks in order to overcome the CAATSA sanctions reef. In fact, as they emphasize, they will not hesitate to take additional legislative action in order to prevent such a development.

"Given the CAATSA sanctions that have already been imposed, we expect that such a sale could only be finalized by trickery - for example, by trying to sell the aircraft to an entity other than the Turkish Defense Industry, which is under sanctions. "We consider such attempts to be a misrepresentation of Congress 'intent, and we will consider additional legislation to limit this potential market if the government insists on ignoring Congress' intent."
F-16 or money
either they return the billion dollars with the possibility of buying elsewhere or they sell, anyway the US needs the Turks to sell their F-16s to certain countries.
F-35 parts are still built in Turkey.
 

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