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Turkey not necessarily seeking return to F-35 project, but to ask for compensation

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Let me give you some information that will help you discuss:

1. Turkey joined the project in 1998 and officially a part of the project since 2002 JSF system development and demonstration phase. Since 2007, Turkey has been a part of production, support and continuous improvement processes.

2. The memorandum of understanding for the procurement of the F-35 was signed in 2007. This memorandum imposes a 45-year legal responsibility between the parties. Therefore, these agreements have been ratified by the assembly of each country.

3. Turkey has so far spent 2.1 billion dollars in the project. Most of this is related to the 14 aircraft officially ordered. Deliveries were supposed to start in 2018.

In the early planning, the targeted unit cost for the F-35A was announced as $ 75 million. In this context, Turkey was accepted to pay a total of nearly $ 11 billion for procurements. In addition, according to the same planning, 5.5 billion dollars (50%) of off-set work share was committed to Turkish companies. It was decided that Turkey will gain an important place in the global supply chain, as well as being one of the depot level maintenance bases. It was decided that Turkey will be one of europe region replenishment and depot center for some partner countries such as Israel.


3. Article 17.1 of the Memorandum of Understanding states that the parties will not go to an institution other than the parties or to international arbitration in case of disagreement. It has been stated that disputes will be resolved through negotiations between parties to the contract. That is why the participating countries did not carry this issue to different media, although the project was constantly delayed. In line with the spirit of alliance, the parties were in constant negotiations. However, the US Senate voided this article with political intervention at the first opportunity.

USA is Turkey's one of the most important military and commercial partners. This relationship is not limited to JSF. Indeed, the real depth between the two countries' relations lies in a wide geopolitics stretching from the Balkans to Asia. Also, many other payments continue to US companies that are currently using by Turkish companies or institutions. In these purchases, the financing risk has been covered by the US institutions mostly. In other words, both countries have to find a solution by agreeing on this issue. Otherwise, both countries will experience the same problem.
 
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While rest of NATO members have started inducting F-35s, do the Turks feel left behind?

TFX is not the answer to Turkey's immediate fifth generation needs as that project is a long way away to fruition. So what's the solution?

Is this the beginning of Turkish Air Force's lost decade?
I feel western NATO has already long lay a distrust on turkey. Without the S-400 deal, US will find all means to prevent Turkey from getting F-35.

Turkey has long sense it and hence the decision to go ahead. I doubt Turkey can still return to F-35 project even they apologize and abandon the S-400.
 

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And who made that determination and how?

What did the US find wrong with the controls the Turkish side promised to put in place to guard those 'secrets'?

Was there language in the F-35 contract specifying this and the potential consequences?
Let Turkey go ahead with its planned legal action and see what happens to reveal those answers.
 

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Turkey waited 20 years for F35

and 20 weeks before the delivery they decided to kill the project with S400

at least they should have took delivery of at least 1 unit before making S400 deal

that would have put the US in a difficult situation

refuse to hand it back get the blue prints and sell back hand to Russia and China

this whole F35 saga was very badly played by Turkey the S400 was not going anywhere they could have waited till 2023 and gotten big portion of the delivery of F35

Turkey was on the list as one of the first to get the planes delivered should have got a dozen at least
 

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Turkey make the right move. No matter what turkey do. US will never want Turkey to be involved back in their top military project. R/S between US and turkey will never be same.
Ok applaude from a wrong side. maybe it’s just me.
choosing s400 over f35 program is the dumbest decision Turkey ever made.
 

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Ok applaude from a wrong side. maybe it’s just me.
choosing s400 over f35 program is the dumbest decision Turkey ever made.
Even Turkey now roll back on its S-400. I doubt they will allow Turkey back into F-35.
 

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Turkey waited 20 years for F35

and 20 weeks before the delivery they decided to kill the project with S400

at least they should have took delivery of at least 1 unit before making S400 deal

that would have put the US in a difficult situation

refuse to hand it back get the blue prints and sell back hand to Russia and China

this whole F35 saga was very badly played by Turkey the S400 was not going anywhere they could have waited till 2023 and gotten big portion of the delivery of F35

Turkey was on the list as one of the first to get the planes delivered should have got a dozen at least
This is not that simple. We have a saying in our culture. Don't enter a war with someone's arm (supply). We have enough talent to evaluate what is best for our army.
 

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Even Turkey now roll back on its S-400. I doubt they will allow Turkey back into F-35.
It’s too late. Yes even Turkey gives s400 back to Russia for free, the US won’t let Turkey to return. There is a chinese saying once the water is spilled there is nothing you can do.
it is your nonsense idea. Turkish policy makers are more talented than you to evaluate what is dumbest or not, trust me.
I am pragmatic I told you that Erdogan made the biggest ever mistake, otherwise I don’t care.
 

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I am sorry to say this but Turkey has absolutely no leverage against the USA. This case is nothing but political posturing.

It was the worst decision ever to order s400 when they did - it's like buying Suzuki to hurt the guy who was contracted to give you a ferrari.

Unfortunately, Turkey is nowhere now - no russian ally or US.
 

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I understand somebody is getting good money to advertise useless F-35 planes. Guys, keep saying what you want. Turkey has its own projects and this is not the problem not to have that plane. Especially when America's own commanders admit itself that the F-35s are terrible.
 
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I understand somebody is getting good money to advertise useless F-35 planes. Guys, keep saying what you want. Turkey has its own projects and this is not the problem not to have that plane. Especially when America's own commanders admit itself that the F-35s are terrible.

You are funny! No "America's own commanders admit itself that the F-35s are terrible" and esp this latest round of "we need another new fighter" has nothing to do with the F-35 failed, but simply since they want more ....
 

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F35 is the plane that money can buy best , and will stay in the next 10 years so. it is sad we couldnt get it.
 

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Turkey was on the list as one of the first to get the planes delivered should have got a dozen at least
Turkey is waiting for delivery of F-35s since 2015 .. far before than S400 deal

after 2013 , OBAMA blocked transfer of F-35s to Turkey .. because of in 2013 Turkey has started blocking The US to create PKK/YPG terror state in Syria

also since 2011 İsrael tried blocking sale of F-35s to Turkey


so proplem is not F-35 or S400 ...... ( The US/İsrael are fighting Turkey in Palestine , Iraq , Syria , Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean )

even The US used FETO terror organization as a proxy to make military coup against president ERDOGAN in 2016 .... ( before than S400 deal )





btw Chinese guys have no idea whats going on between The US and Turkey in Iraq , Syria , Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean

The US uses F-35 as political card against Turkey
 
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F-35 is very bad option for Turkish Airforce

because , there are many problems between The US and Turkey in Iraq , Syria , Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean

The US uses F-35 as political card against Turkey
so , without American permission flying computer F-35s even can not take off

and Turkey planed to buy 100 F-35A for $10 billion + $35 billion operating cost for the lifespan of 100 F-35s

total of $45 billion ... what a great money for Countries like Turkey



better to spend $45 billion to develop/produce the TF-X Fighter Jets and TRMOTOR Turbofan Engines

also to produce thousands of BORA,SOM,ATMACA,GEZGIN Ballistic/Cruise Missiles to hit all military targets in Greece , İsrael , Egypt , İran , etc

also to develop MIUS jet engine powered stealth UCAV which can carry AESA Radar , GOKDOGAN air to air missile , SOM cruise missile ( landd attack/anti-ship xcapabilities )

and to produce thousands of HISAR-O , GOKTUG-VL , SIPER , GUMS indigenous Air Defense Missiles and 7 TF-2000 class air warfare Destroyers also to buy S400 , S500 Air Defense Systems from Russia to create best Air Defense capability in the region
 
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