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Turkey not necessarily seeking return to F-35 project, but to ask for compensation

Turkey will take its rift with the United States. over the F-35s, which have not been delivered to Turkish Armed Forces, to international courts, Defense Industries Directorate (SSB) President İsmail Demir told the NTV broadcaster on March 3.

He emphasized that Turkey was no longer seeking to return to the F-35 international project from which it was removed over its purchase of Russian defense systems.

On being asked that the SSB has enlisted a leading U.S. law firm to get strategic advice on protecting its rights in the F-35 fighter jet program, Demir said that the primary goal of Turkey was to get compensated for its losses.

There is a “clear loss of rights,” and Turkey’s six-month contract with U.S. law firm Arnold Porter is aimed to identify future steps to reverse these losses, he said.

“We are not in a mood like ‘let’s get back [on the project]. We say that there has been injustice and that this injustice needs to be fixed,” said Demir, who was sanctioned by the U.S.

“The goal of all our efforts is not necessarily to get back on the program, but rather for the injustices to be seen and for our loss of rights to be compensated,” he added.

Ankara had ordered more than 100 F-35s and has been making parts for it, but in 2019, Washington announced it was taking Turkey out of the F-35 stealth fighter jet program over Ankara’s purchase of the Russian S-400 missile defense system.

The U.S. claimed that the Russian S-400 would compromise security on the F-35s, but Turkey said these fears were baseless and has repeatedly proposed setting up a commission to clarify the issue.

In December, the U.S. imposed sanctions on its NATO ally Turkey over the S-400s, targeting its defense industry and top sector officials.

Despite Turkey’s removal from the program and sanctions imposed on its defense industry, the Pentagon has said it will continue to depend on Turkish contractors for key F-35 parts.

 

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Since you will not sell me the F35, pay me. :laughcry: :crazy:

I see Turkey has learnt a lot from Pakistan.
If there was agreement and contract signed by the the U.S and Turkey on the F-35 sale. That's a breach of contract. Turkey can certainly pursue compensation for the lost investment and time wasted on F-35 project.

So, what's there to laugh about?:blink:
 

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If there was agreement and contract signed by the the U.S and Turkey on the F-35 sale. That's a breach of contract. Turkey can certainly pursue compensation for the lost investment and time wasted on F-35 project.

So, what's there to laugh about?:blink:

I'm not entirely sure since no-one of us knows the true clauses ... as such who broke this contract and who not!
I'm sure the US added any thinkable reason to say the other side broke the contract or to refuse such claims.
 

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I was thinking that I have to make a detailed presentation about F-35 and Turkey in here, but I see even the most basic things (such as contract law) seem to be unknown for some members of forum.

If there was agreement and contract signed by the the U.S and Turkey on the F-35 sale. That's a breach of contract. Turkey can certainly pursue compensation for the lost investment and time wasted on F-35 project.

So, what's there to laugh about?:blink:
When i start to see some Indians which are drool just for beeing write somethng about Turkey, I started to understand Chinese and Pakistani people better, who had to deal with this ignorance on many issues.
 

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Turkey make the right move. No matter what turkey do. US will never want Turkey to be involved back in their top military project. R/S between US and turkey will never be same.
 

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I was thinking that I have to make a detailed presentation about F-35 and Turkey in here, but I see even the most basic things (such as contract law) seem to be unknown for some members of forum.



When i start to see some Indians which are drool just for beeing write somethng about Turkey, I started to understand Chinese and Pakistani people better, who had to deal with this ignorance on many issues.
The Indians are miraculously unwise. If you read their disinformation labs or news you would ask yourself who wrote this a kid?
 

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At least Turks had the guts to reveal their new potential options.

Compare this to a loser like Rouhani smh. Rouhani will die while crying over the dead body of JCPOA.
 

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CAATSA says any country that buys from Russia is sanctioned. So I'm afraid no compensation.
For the money and time used yes it is valid for compensation. Example like paying for something but you don't get that thing or your money back it is basically theft. You don't need to be math genius to understand this
 

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For the money and time used yes it is valid for compensation. Example like paying for something but you don't get that thing or your money back it is basically theft. You don't need to be math genius to understand this
It is void under CAATSA. Turkey's action. Turkey's consequence. You buy Russian. You pay the price.
 

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It is void under CAATSA. Turkey's action. Turkey's consequence. You buy Russian. You pay the price.
You still get your money back if you put it down previously to buy it and the local investment you made into it. CAATSA doesn't rule that out or state it. It has nothing to do with being kicked out of the program these are separate things. If you don't get the item you bought then you will get back your investments and the money you purchase the item for in the first place
 
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we don't need f35 any more we are on right track . we should spend all the money for tfx and other critical projects
 

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I'm not entirely sure since no-one of us knows the true clauses ... as such who broke this contract and who not!
I'm sure the US added any thinkable reason to say the other side broke the contract or to refuse such claims.
Since the agreement would have been signed before any inkling of a potential Russian deal, after all, no one expected such a deal. the Turks downed a Russian warplane not so long ago. so, since this deal was not an acceptable reality, I doubt there would have been any such clause in the original agreement for the development of F35.

So, it is safe to assume the agreement is unlikely to have covered the Turkish purchase of Russian equipment, and the sanctions against Turkey are specifically against the purchase of the Russian agreement, hence, @jaybird contention seems to make sense.

Let's see.
But, no matter what the agreement, it is eventually politics that will decide the fate.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if court passes judgement where Turkey has to pay compensation. The yanks are incredibly shrewd at drafting contracts.
 

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