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Turkey First Indigenous Helicopter Engine to be Ready for Integration This Year

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  1. HAIDER

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    Turkey's first indigenous helicopter engine, that will power the T-625 Gökbey utility helicopter and the ATAK combat chopper will be delivered to Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) for integration this year.

    “Core of the T-625 helicopter’s engine was tested at TAI,” Mustafa Varank, Industry and Technology Minister, was quoted as saying by Anadolu Ageny Friday.

    Gökbey's engine will be delivered to TAI this year, Varank said, adding, "They will start working on the integration of the engine to be used in Gökbey after this delivery."

    In September 2018, T-625 rotorcraft powered by two CTS-800-4A turboshaft engines made its maiden flight. Certification trials of the T-625 began last October. Deliveries are scheduled to begin next year.

    The T129 ATAK gunship, built by TAI under license from the Italian-British company AgustaWestland, also uses the CTS-800-4A engine.

    Earlier, it was equipped with two LHTEC T800-4As built by Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company (LHTEC), a joint venture between Rolls-Royce and Honeywell. Each engine can produce 1,014 kilowatts of output power. The T800-4A is an export version of the CTS800 engine, which Turkey selected to power Turkish Light Utility Helicopter (TLUH) in 2015.
    The US is said to be holding up export permits for the LHTEC T800-4A citing the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) regulatory regime.

    Pakistan ordered 30 T129s for $1.5 billion in 2018. Deliveries were being hit due to non-availability of LHTEC engines. “Apparently we shall need US export licenses to go ahead with the T129 deal (with Pakistan). This is not a technological or financial matter but is purely political at the moment,” a senior procurement official told DefenseNews in 2018.

    “This is a commercial deal with a country that has friendly relations with America. Why should the Americans punish Pakistan for their disagreements with Turkey?” a Turkish defense official was quoted as saying by the report.

    Ismail Demir, Turkey’s President of Defense Industries (SSB), stated on January 6 that the Pakistan Army extended its delivery timeline for the T129 attack helicopter by one year.

    Development of the Turkish TS1400 turboshaft engine began in February 2017, and according Quwa, it was slated for induction and serial production by 2025.

    “The pressing need to retire its fleet of old 48 Bell AH-1Fs, is now pushing Islamabad to consider alternatives,” Major General Syed Najeeb Ahmed, commander, army aviation, told Defence IQ’s International Military Helicopter conference in London on 26 February.

    “We are looking at other options. One of them is in China in the shape of the new attack helicopter they have created called the Z-10ME,” he said. Islamabad is said to have evaluated an earlier version of the CAIC Z-10.

    With the domestic CTS-800-4A powering both T129 and T625 almost ready, the deal appears to be back on track.

    In December 2019, Filipino Defense Secretary Lorenzana announced that the Air Force was mulling ATAK T129 purchase. Their budget for attack helicopters (estimated at $250 million) could afford eight to 10 units of the aircraft. A memorandum of understanding (MoU) had been singed to pursue negotiations. However, there has been no development since the MoU.
    https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2..._Ready_for_Integration_This_Year#.Xu96FGhKg2w
     
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  2. aziqbal

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    personally we should just wait

    we waited 20 years whats another 2 years

    PA was not happy with Chinese Z10 and we should not go for it for the sake of it

    If Turkey can work out its indigenous engine issues then 30 x T129 would be great for the PA

    if the delay continues and Americans won't budge then switch over to the heavier and more capable ATAK-II post 2025 with indigenous engine

    this would mean Turkey can add another 30 x ATAK-II to their order books hence reducing the price tag

    having a attack helicopter in the class of the AH-64 would be a huge benefit anyway for PA

    we need to re-think this whole attack helicopter programme and even join Turkey for ToT and establish a production line at Multan

    in meantime ask Turkey for spares for our AH-1 from their retiring fleet
     
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    Good luck to turkey :turkey:.
    Chinese helicotpers can be used in less elevation areas. While turkish atak can be used in kashmir at high altitudes or in scenerios with heavy loads.

    Good luck to pakistan and turkey.
     
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    TEI-TS1400

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    Good going Turkish brothers
     
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    The characteristics of engine?
    Plus, its meant to power T625 and T629, or T129 can also support this engine?
     
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    I think it'll start with T625 and T629. They might also equip the T129 ATAK, but only if there's ongoing overseas interest in that specific model.
     
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    Honestly if T629 will be available, I wonder who will be eager to acquire T129.
    Interestingly, the readiness of this engine and the prototype appearance date of T629, both fall within one year time space given by Pakistan to Turkey for sorting out T129 and ITCR based problems.
     
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  9. Bilal Khan (Quwa)

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    I think most know the T129/ATAK design works, so if it's an issue of swapping the engine while retaining the core performance parameters, it might be attractive.
     
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    That's a recent photo with a face mask.
     
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    Hi,

    I firmly beloieve that Pak army should order the chinese chopper asap---and when the turkish chopper is available get them too---.

    In their real lives---none of these posters would do to their children what they suggest for pakistan---.

    Defense equipment does not get ready on schedule when you are starting to build from scratch---.

    A predictable less capable weapon is better thana highly sophisticated weapon that is not available at the time of combat---.

    It is like a much needed medicine becomes available after your mother and father and children have died in the epidemic---.
     
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  12. nomi007

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    But we want USA engine:pakistan::usflag::turkey:
     
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    What's better in the T-129 that the Z-10 couldn't offer?
     
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    Reliability and henceforth, performance.
     
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    Hi sir just a little bit off topic if z10 isn’t that much reliable how come Chinese have inducted so many batches beside this how will they match AH64 Indian apaches if these are not up to the standards & are these not better then the one we are using at the moment ( now here o
    I’m not saying not to go for t129
    If possible your input will be appreciated
    Thank you
     
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