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Nice Info, if established it can serve us well.

BTW: Nice signatures.



There is more to it has got to do with free wh*ring when it comes to bhindians, they have influence but when that influence will be challenged due to incidents like War&Peace mentioned and we demonstrate our expertise in the field it's not going to take too much time for them to shift the business to us, for them its the profit which matter. Trust me due to no long term policies of the Govt but due to street smart perseverance of our people we are inching in that direction.



Agreed to an extent but it has got more to do with perception once Pakistan saves uncle sam's bacon by convincing Taliban for negotiations and settlement a lot will change. Worked with two financial giants during my stint in N.A I know how things work, they wont touch Pakistan but if the alternates are translated to them in terms of pure profit/loss/comparative analysis these same white executives will send their underage daughters as escort service and BTW most of them share the same moral values across the globe.
That will never happen with Pakistan knowing Pakistani people if in the hiring position will make sure other Pakistanis don't get the job. Indians on the other hand prefer and support Indians, they lobby for other Indians to get any job in the business they are working. when you see Indians working in any business they are never in the group of one but if there is one Pakistani then it means they will only be one Pakistani.
I'm going to a be a bit blunt here. I wouldn't trust the average white executive to make smart decisions regarding the long-term direction a company may take - particularly in technology. The same executives are known for engaging in "herd mentality" - where outsourcing migration patterns are based on "everyone's doing it" - for example, moving production to China, now Vietnam.

Biggest example is the US-China trade war. These executives failed to see the long term consequences when moving their technology manufacturing to China. As if the joint venture requirement for a "Chinese partner" wasn't enough. What is to be said when a company gives up the crown jewels of its technology partnering up a with Chinese partner, for short term benefit, essentially giving birth to its own rival. The Chinese starting kicking these foreign companies out through under-handed tactics years ago, when their usefulness was utilized and the Chinese had their own local, home-grown champions that could fill local demand and outcompete the same company that gave them the technology in the first place. It seems one of the few smart enough to realize what was going on was Trump - then came tariffs and an attempt to decouple Chinese manufacturing from US supply chains. Of course, these white executives being the abused housewife - hoping for her man to change one day - insist that Trump withdraws tariffs so they could go back to their short-term profits and long-term eventual death.

Pakistan, understandably is not a stable country. Although, much has improved significantly in the last 2 years. I'm not really interested in western companies investing there. They don't have much to contribute as of right now and Pakistan doesn't have the technology base to absorb whatever they contribute, at this point in time. What I'm more interested in, is Pakistan's local efforts to incubate its own start-ups - in IT sector.


Why are you guys so insistent on making Pakistan a bpo sweatshop???When Allah has given us a much bigger opportunity

The trade wars are forcing manufacturing companies to move out of ChinaJust every country is squabbling for alternatives.Almost all of them are going to vietnam and southeast asia.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...ations-to-dodge-trade-war-119062700138_1.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/mor...production-out-of-china-due-to-trade-war.html

https://globalnews.ca/news/5654230/trump-trade-war-tariffs-companies-wait/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/manufacturers-move-supply-chains-out-of-china-11563096601


https://www.industryweek.com/leadership/japan-joins-exodus-china-s-factories-tariffs-bite

CPEC has given us the desired infrastructure.Imran Khan and his team should be shuttling between China and Pakistan and lobbying these companies to come here.

Just imagine the boost we can get in terms of FDI,employment and exports.

This is what you guys should be talking about
 

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Why are you guys so insistent on making Pakistan a bpo sweatshop???When Allah has given us a much bigger opportunity

The trade wars are forcing manufacturing companies to move out of ChinaJust every country is squabbling for alternatives.Almost all of them are going to vietnam and southeast asia.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...ations-to-dodge-trade-war-119062700138_1.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/mor...production-out-of-china-due-to-trade-war.html

https://globalnews.ca/news/5654230/trump-trade-war-tariffs-companies-wait/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/manufacturers-move-supply-chains-out-of-china-11563096601


https://www.industryweek.com/leadership/japan-joins-exodus-china-s-factories-tariffs-bite

CPEC has given us the desired infrastructure.Imran Khan and his team should be shuttling between China and Pakistan and lobbying these companies to come here.

Just imagine the boost we can get in terms of FDI,employment and exports.

This is what you guys should be talking about

Khalid Bhai Remember When I Posted This Thread

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/something-better-than-oil.619969/

I Was Saying The Exact Same Thing.Sadly As Much Encouragement As I Got From Forum Members It Looks Like No One In The Government Seems To Care:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:
 

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That's because they have abused the H-1B visa program. Their strategy is to

(1) Get H-1B visa for Indians to fill up IT jobs in US
(2) Eventually shift those jobs back to India, using their influence
(3) For the Indians that remain, use their monetary and political influence to push pro-Indian legislation

What pisses me off is how unqualified some of these visa applicants are. They literally lie completely about their experience and skillset. I know a team that hired two Indians that had different Indians interview for them by phone. When those Indians arrived on-site, they were nothing like the person giving the interview. One didn't even know how to code.

Nonetheless, our people aren't even in the game. I don't see too many Pakistani's in IT. You can also forget about most of them using their influence to hire Pakistani's, let alone outsource IT work to Pakistan. It seems when many of our people leave the motherland, they don't want to have anything to do with it. I hope we can see the Pakistan Imran Khan envisions soon. Maybe that may change the attitude of expats towards the motherland.

But times might be changing.Like China Donald Trump Has Also Started A Trade War With India.This All Started With Trump Calling India A Tariff King and Abolished It's GSP Status in June To This India Responded with Tariffs on Goods Like Almonds and Apples.

Trump Declared These Tariffs Unacceptable and Now There Is News That White House Might Consider Countrywise restrictions on H1B Visas.

One of The Core Disputes Is The Data Localization Laws In India.This Has Been A Sour Point For American Companies Like Visa and Mastercard Doing Business In India.Now There Is News of Policy Of 15% Upper Limit For Any Country That Makes Data Localization Laws.This Is Going To Be A Death Blow For Indian IT Industry.


Pakistan Should Take Advantage Here And Not Impose Any Such Laws.This Would Mean That We Can Get A Free Ride On Those Juicy H1Bs

The recent debacle of Boeing's control software for B737max is due to HCL and hence many are realising the mistake of outsourcing to India.

You Know Pakistan Should Hire A Media Relations and Lobbying Firm and Start A Massive Villification Campaign Against Indian IT Industry.This Can Severely Damage The Credibility of Indian IT/BPO Industry
 

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What we really need to do is to grab USA software and maintenance outsourcing jobs. Right now Indians have almost complete control over it. Export of services from Pakistan can generate tremendous high dollar value .
It would be a good idea for PTI-govt. to organize IT conferences - with intent to gather some of these freelancers together, as well as investors. Pakistan can try to create its own version of Silicon valley. Let's say some of these freelancers group together, pitch ideas, with investors deciding on funding. This can lead to new start-ups and the investors turning towards business ventures instead of the usual real estate plot-dealing, and import-oriented businesses that are dragging the country down.
This however isn't always the case, a cousin of mine (who was a brilliant coder) got H1B visa back in 2001. He worked for Microsoft and Philips Healthcare USA and then later on became CTO of an organization there that has Walmart and Nissan as clients and has done tremendously well. back in 2013 he slowly started shifting the IT part here and now the entire development is done here in Pakistan, the organization is very happy and they say that our engineers and overall infrastructure is much much easier and cheaper to get as compared to India let alone USA. back in 2016 I was an intern there and now that organization has quadrupled in size in just a span of 3 years.

the even better part is, my cousin had a very close Indian friend in USA who started his own organization that provided IT solutions for Old age Healthcare industry and guess what? he himself approached my cousin to start an office in Pakistan and get the entire development done there. I currently work in that organization now, our CEO is Indian and is quite happy with us, since 2017 we kept on scaling and the work just keeps on increasing. The CEO despite being an Indian realizes our business value and gets all the development done from us simply because we are cheaper and skilled (I'm a COMSATS graduate and also am doing MS(Software Engineering) from FAST). I know many FASTIANS who are excellent programmers.

I firmly believe if we have more representation in USA and are portrayed well in USA, we can get massive business here and this certainly would help in reversing our current economic situation.

Since all of you like our idiotic government have decided to ignore the huge economic opportunities that exist from the china us trade war in manufacturing and have decided to concentrate only on Indian style BPO IT Outsourcing.Here are my 2 cents


1.The Reason for India's rise in IT/BPO is a little something called first mover advantage.They identified a market gap in such services and cashed in.By the time Pakistan started developing it's IT capabilities India was already entrenched in the market

2.The traditional model of outsourcing done by large corporations(like TCS and Infosys) is now redundant.It was based on needs of corporations and businesses 20 years ago.Now the trend is microservices and freelancing which BTW Pakistanis have really excelled at.There are more than a million Pakistanis doing this

https://nation.com.pk/19-Sep-2018/1-15m-pakistanis-contribute-to-global-freelance-economy

Not only this but freelancing site Upwork says Pakistanis are third largest in offering their services after USA and India

3.Now that is not to say that the traditional model has finished.Pakistan can still take advantage of that.In fact it does

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1580955/2-pakistan-really-snatching-jobs-india/

But we really need to market ourselves for this

4.Pakistan needs strong anti money laundering laws so that Paypal can come to Pakistan.Then IT in both the traditional corporate model and freelancing microservice model can really boom

5.We also need strong telecom infrastructure.Before CPEC our Fibre optic link was only upto karachi.This destroyed our IT Industry back in 2005

http://www.pakistaneconomist.com/issue2005/issue27/tele.php

This Indian is painfully right

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-business-potential-of-data-centers-in-Pakistan

6.Since the end of musharraf we destroyed the vibrant telecom industry developed under him by taxing it to death.Also PML N Policy of awarding both 3g and 4g licenses at the same time led to much confusion in policy

7.We missed a golden opportunity at developing our tech industry when we refused to sign the Information Technology Agreement(ITA).We could have attached ourselves to global value chains and attracted massive FDI.BTW We can still sign it.There is a new and improved version called ITA 2 .Pakistan should consider it seriously.(Point to be noted:One of the reasons that telecom and IT Boomed under Musharraf was that he abolished duties on most of the products mentioned in ITA)

8.While ITA deals with hardware.In the era of 4g and 5g data is the new gold or "the new oil".While many countries are making data localization laws,Pakistan should do the opposite and allow the free flow of data.According to tech experts those countries will benefit the most in the new wave of outsourcing if they liberally allow data movement.Moreover Pakistan should use it's data as a bargaining chip and get maximum benefits from other countries(Like samlee pointed out above that we should get maximum benefits interms of h1b visas)


9.Right now globally there is a shortage of 2 million network security experts.There are also large gaps in other areas of IT esp Apps development and Big Data(Where our NADRA is a centre of excellence).Pakistan should offer services in terms of manpower export as well as outsourcing

Now here is the big point

10.We should be the first mover in the next big thing.Right now this is the era of 4g and 5g.Now the next big things are AI,M2M learning,VR,NFC(near field communications).We should start developing both the desired infrastructure and human resource in these things so as to gain a competitive edge so that when these things get big we become the global hub for these services.In short we should do what India did back in the 1990s




In the end i would just appeal you guys to read post #32.The opportunities arising are much bigger than just IT and could possibly change the face of our country if we play our cards right
 
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