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Blinken wants the Turks to help ... with their deep ties to the ethnic Turkic peoples of the North of Afghanistan, as I mentioned in an earlier post. It’s the Tajiks (a non-Turkic people) that maybe the hold outs in this peace deal.
 
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If they don't make peace with the Afghan Talibans by honouring their side of the deal they made with them then it will be clear to the Talibans that for them it is a zero sum game, if the Americans with their NATO allies and all of their technological advantages could not defeat the Talibans in the last two decades what makes them think they will be able to contain the Talibans with just 2500 troops and a rag tag northern alliance army eventually they will be overrun, someone needs to knock some sense into these yanks if you continue to go down this path you will loose all influence in Afghanistan, the Talibans don't even need to overrun, they just need to successfully kill a couple of hundred American soldiers to send a message across, maybe they might not have the capabilities yet but eventually they will, it's only a matter of time are you willing to take that risk?, the future of the Taliban in Afghanistan is a reality and you have just made a deal ensuring that the Taliban won't work against your country in the future, are you sure breaking this deal is in your best interest?
I made similar comments few years back about Americans and the Indians who were piggybacking on the Yanks. They are still trying to influence the Yanks to stay in Afghanistan.

When you didn't control Afghanistan with close to 150,000 NATO troops, how you going to control them now.
It is Americans own saying, that with technology you can cause some damage, but even that against Taliban s is difficult. The Americans can carpet bomb structures using smart bombs, but Taliban do not have extensive structural targets.

To control an area, you need boots on the ground. Who is going to provide that!! ANA, or Indians!!
The game had been over for a while now, that's why Trump was right to announce withdrawal.
 

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Thinking about what you wrote, we can agree. It is a war against the nomadic or barbarian tribals. Thus the US is protecting the Pakistani gov't from violent minority groups (terrorists to some freedom fighters to others) that are found in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.
To attack Pakistan would be to attack the majority. The majority are not the disgruntled minority group tribals. It is the same in Afghanistan but in Afghanistan the violent minority had taken control.
I am sure, they are protecting Pakistan with the help of India , by creating, training, financing and arming TTP and other goons.

Great thinking though, you should be applauded for it.
Completely against ground realities though.
 

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Tell that to the educated pakistanis

However the play book is different this time and will suceed

The playbook is to first defang the fail safe i.e establishment..once that happens the fail save will not kick in if we are near to default ..we will actually defualt..once fuel is not available and you have non stop black outs and no medicine available people will give up anything ...pakistanis arent super human..elites cant survive without imported cheese let alone fuel and food

Then someone will come on TV and say we had no hope and therefore we gave up our weapons
Maryum nawaz will do what haseena did to the army-minus the economic development
I had been. I do it here as well all the time. I used to do the same with Pakistani journalists.
do you see my writing much about the defence equipment!!

I find it difficult to talk titbit about acquisitions, for the simple reason all this security equipment would be of no use, if you give up your independence and become a client state.

These crooks are agents provocateur , we all should not only be careful about them, but should stand up against their evil designs.
Basically a cat and mouse game between CIA and ISI is about to begin, again :hitwall:


Troops don't, their Spy planes+equipments, CIA networks, and satellites do.
He has a point in that case, there are plenty of those equipment right in the middle of Islamabad in US new embassy. Some say, it is created specifically that in mind.
How and why Pakistan has allowed that to happen on its soil is another story which needs to be investigated by Pakistan.

Who is going to do it!! Pakistani men with no b**ls!!
 
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There will never be a political settlement with the Taliban if you continue to break promises that you made with them, why make the deal in the first place if you had no intentions of leaving Afghanistan?

Maybe you are unedcuated and shouldnt comment about this in the first place...,if that is a question then I will answer...because IK and Bajwa themselves have been begging since the last few years that the US SHOULD NOT LEAVE AFGHANISTAN ALL OF A SUDDEN AND SHOULD KEEP A PRESENCE UNTIL A PEACE IS REACHED. if you dont understand that then get your brain checked or do some simple research.

Pakistan is the nation that complaints if the US leaves Afghanistan or DOESNT leave afghanistan. Look at the talking point that our generals/politicians have used for a few billion dollars worth of aid sacraficing 10k+ soldierns worth of lives the last few years,,, " Oh the US left us after 1980"

That is the aukat of your people... to find any excuse for dollars even if it means the death of your own people, soldiers, or innocents.

Simply put is is our general and corrupt politicians that have held a not just 1 but 2 nations (afghanistan/pakistan) hostage just for a few billion in aid that went to there own pocket, Think then with your own mind what kind of Muslims 90% of Pakistani people are?... infact forget about afghans our own army under kayani was fine with 30+ soldiers killed by the US, the OSAMA RAID DEEP IN OUR TERRITORY, and later a top major selling out the country and moving to the US under our top generals nose (how is that even possible?). We are honestly a banana republic x1000 if we look at our inner self.

Facts are facts... PAKISTAN IS THE ONLY NUCLEAR POWER IN HISTORY THAT HAD THOUSANDS OF DRONES STRIKES ON ITS OWN CIVILIANS, ON ITS OWN SOLDIERS, ON ITS OWN TERRITORY FOR A FEW BILLION... that is the aukat of your kind of pepople who later complain of US presence in afghanistan... but once US leave you complain and beg US for billions in AID and then complain when they dont give you a pennyyy. Sure we did not choose Kayani as COAS nor did we choose Bajwa as COAS but blindly following such generals who have time and time again sold out not just our nation but a nation that itself is in disaray (afghanistan) is itself such a disgrace.... the only general in the last 50 years after AYUB KHAN who showed he is worth anything was RAHEEL SHARIFF and look at your current state today... Your best generals are working for the likes of MBS for a few million...

In fact I honestly believer that if any US diplomat or even CHINESE DIPLOMAT sits in a room with our politicians automatically wants to leave asap,,, because that is the level of studidity of our logic.

Until we realize who was resposible for our state the last few decades, until we realize our begging bole blackmail wont get our us anymore, until we realize who was responsible for this (Generals/corrupt politicians) then TBH there will never be peace in AFGHANISTAN because our leaders only use ISLAM as a means of their own interest same as they did in 1971 (While ayub was getting drunk with prostitutes). So what exzactly are our generals doing today to deserver so many medals?????
 
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But if USA refuses or discards the deal then 2500 troops arent enough, it will need a surge to atleast 10,000 for stale mate and 40,000 for pressure
Also money part is also important

We are screwed either way
Instability and fighting between in afghanistan means millions of refugees pouring in pakistan
Don't let them in.
 

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Don't let them in.
Seems rcent letter suggest they are with drawing
That's the reason why I always ask this question in every single thread related to

"US Army/Centcom Chief met Pakistan Chief and discussed mutual interests" WTF mutual interests? our interests are COMPLETELY Different from what US objectives and interests are...
It means mutual interest not similar interest ...

Its like you discussing cricket with an indians...
You like pak to win & they india
Maybe you are unedcuated and shouldnt comment about this in the first place...,if that is a question then I will answer...because IK and Bajwa themselves have been begging since the last few years that the US SHOULD NOT LEAVE AFGHANISTAN ALL OF A SUDDEN AND SHOULD KEEP A PRESENCE UNTIL A PEACE IS REACHED. if you dont understand that then get your brain checked or do some simple research.

Pakistan is the nation that complaints if the US leaves Afghanistan or DOESNT leave afghanistan. Look at the talking point that our generals/politicians have used for a few billion dollars worth of aid sacraficing 10k+ soldierns worth of lives the last few years,,, " Oh the US left us after 1980"

That is the aukat of your people... to find any excuse for dollars even if it means the death of your own people, soldiers, or innocents.

Simply put is is our general and corrupt politicians that have held a not just 1 but 2 nations (afghanistan/pakistan) hostage just for a few billion in aid that went to there own pocket, Think then with your own mind what kind of Muslims 90% of Pakistani people are?... infact forget about afghans our own army under kayani was fine with 30+ soldiers killed by the US, the OSAMA RAID DEEP IN OUR TERRITORY, and later a top major selling out the country and moving to the US under our top generals nose (how is that even possible?). We are honestly a banana republic x1000 if we look at our inner self.

Facts are facts... PAKISTAN IS THE ONLY NUCLEAR POWER IN HISTORY THAT HAD THOUSANDS OF DRONES STRIKES ON ITS OWN CIVILIANS, ON ITS OWN SOLDIERS, ON ITS OWN TERRITORY FOR A FEW BILLION... that is the aukat of your kind of pepople who later complain of US presence in afghanistan... but once US leave you complain and beg US for billions in AID and then complain when they dont give you a pennyyy. Sure we did not choose Kayani as COAS nor did we choose Bajwa as COAS but blindly following such generals who have time and time again sold out not just our nation but a nation that itself is in disaray (afghanistan) is itself such a disgrace.... the only general in the last 50 years after AYUB KHAN who showed he is worth anything was RAHEEL SHARIFF and look at your current state today... Your best generals are working for the likes of MBS for a few million...

In fact I honestly believer that if any US diplomat or even CHINESE DIPLOMAT sits in a room with our politicians automatically wants to leave asap,,, because that is the level of studidity of our logic.

Until we realize who was resposible for our state the last few decades, until we realize our begging bole blackmail wont get our us anymore, until we realize who was responsible for this (Generals/corrupt politicians) then TBH there will never be peace in AFGHANISTAN because our leaders only use ISLAM as a means of their own interest same as they did in 1971 (While ayub was getting drunk with prostitutes). So what exzactly are our generals doing today to deserver so many medals?????
Ayub was retired in 1971
He was not there in1965
 

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Easier said..would you want us ignoring international law and dragging these refugees by hair and throwing them out?

Even the fascit govt of haseena couldnt do that..
At least don't accept newcomers. We already have enough trouble with Afghan refugees who are being recruited to carry out attacks.
 

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At least don't accept newcomers. We already have enough trouble with Afghan refugees who are being recruited to carry out attacks.
They will smuggle themselves in
Thosw who cant will sit at the boarders creating a spectacle which pakistan cant afford..

You make it simple
Its not simple
Lastly the economic fallout will be big on KPK and balochistan
 

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Trick!! Ok that is enough for my morning hearty laugh. Thanks again. :laugh:
See Washington's Chilling message to Kabul thread?
that the absence of a peace deal may allow the Taliban to make “rapid territorial gains”.
Comment from Washington's White House supports my belief that once the USA leaves, first Afghanistan will fall then Pakistan. Everything is connected.

Nice to get support from the White House and so quickly too.
 

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