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I stumbled across this singer. Amazing composition.

I can make out farsi words 'husn/jamal/humroz/hijr/wosal/mosafi/malal' but cannot entire urdu context.

Enjoying my next step into farsi and urdu ghazal poetry.

 

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Mehdi Hassan, great legend of Pakistan. Phenomenal.

What is your ethnicity? Are you Pakistani?
no friend, great great grand parents came from Halb via Iran then grand parents moved here. I went to Iran to pay my respects to their graves back in 2005 and decided to learn farsi; it has been a very beautiful journey; then of course life introduced me to this forum and urdu started to get picked up from here and there.
 

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no friend, great great grand parents came from Halb via Iran then grand parents moved here. I went to Iran to pay my respects to their graves back in 2005 and decided to learn farsi; it has been a very beautiful journey; then of course life introduced me to this forum and urdu started to get picked up from here and there.
So I guess you an Indian with roots from Iran? Out of curiosity, are you Parsi or Muslim?

Iran is a lovely place, with a lot of history. I picked up alot of Farsi/Dari by getting into poetry of Allama Iqbal and Rumi.

Hope this helps with your initial query. https://desipoetry.com/khwab-tha-ya-khayal-tha-kya-tha-mussafi/
 

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  • Was it a dream or a thought, what was it
  • Was it a separation or a communion, what was it?

  • Didn't understand the meaning even after (seeing) lightning
  • Was it gorgeousness or elegance, what was it?

  • (At) Night, when the heart use to beat faster
  • Was it ecstasy or my state, what was it?

  • The (moment) that is the day of separation
  • Was it a month or a year, what was it?

  • Mashafi (the poet himself), the night you were sitting quitely
  • Did you had any regret, what was it?
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Dear @denel ,

Here is my effort in translation...as you know Farsi and Urdu have deep expressionism built in the language. I am sure I have not done Justice to original poetry.
 
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denel

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  • Was it a dream or a thought, what was it
  • Was it a separation or a communion, what was it?
  • Didn't understand the meaning even after (seeing) lightning
  • Was it gorgeousness or elegance, what was it?
  • (At) Night, when the heart use to beat faster
  • Was it ecstasy or my state, what was it?

  • The (moment) that is the day of separation
  • Was it a month or a year, what was it?

  • Mashafi (the poet himself), the night you were sitting quitely
  • Did you had any regret, what was it?
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Dear @denel ,

Here is my effort in translation...as you know Farsi and Urdu have deep expressionism built in the language. I am sure I have not done Justice to original poetry.
Thank you all!!!.

So I guess you an Indian with roots from Iran? Out of curiosity, are you Parsi or Muslim?

Iran is a lovely place, with a lot of history. I picked up alot of Farsi/Dari by getting into poetry of Allama Iqbal and Rumi.

Hope this helps with your initial query. https://desipoetry.com/khwab-tha-ya-khayal-tha-kya-tha-mussafi/
nothing or nowhere from subcontinent. orthodox jew of kurdish descent. very complicated family migration history.
 

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Thank you all!!!.


nothing or nowhere from subcontinent. orthodox jew of kurdish descent. very complicated family migration history.
Did not expect that. I guess you would be considered a Persian Jew. Do you still view yourself as Jewish and follow your faith? Are there many in South Africa from your community?
 

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KHwab tha ya KHayal tha kya tha
MUSHAFI GHULAM HAMDANI

ḳhvāb thā yā ḳhayāl thā kyā thā
ḳhvāb thā yā ḳhayāl thā kyā thā
hijr thā yā visāl thā kyā thā
ḳhvāb thā yā ḳhayāl thā kyā thā

chamkī bijlī sī par na samjhe ham
chamkī bijlī sī par na samjhe ham
husn thā yā jamāl thā kyā thā
husn thā yā jamāl thā kyā thā
ḳhvāb thā yā ḳhayāl thā kyā thā

jis ko ham roz-e-hijr samjhe the
jis ko ham roz-e-hijr samjhe the
maah thā yā vo saal thā kyā thā
maah thā yā vo saal thā kyā thā
ḳhvāb thā yā ḳhayāl thā kyā thā

'mus.hafī' shab jo chup tū baiThā thā
'mus.hafī' shab jo chup tū baiThā thā
kyā tujhe kuchh malāl thā kyā thā
kyā tujhe kuchh malāl thā kyā thā
ḳhvāb thā yā ḳhayāl thā kyā thā
hijr thā yā visāl thā kyā thā
ḳhvāb thā yā ḳhayāl thā kyā thā

mere pahlū meñ raat jā kar vo
maah thā yā hilāl thā kyā thā

shab jo dil do do haath uchhaltā thā
vajd thā yā vo haal thā kyā thā


https://www.rekhta.org/ghazals/khvaab-thaa-yaa-khayaal-thaa-kyaa-thaa-mushafi-ghulam-hamdani-ghazals

Number of lines edited to match the lyrics in the video. Lyrics in red are not sung in the video.
 

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Did not expect that. I guess you would be considered a Persian Jew. Do you still view yourself as Jewish and follow your faith? Are there many in South Africa from your community?
nothing persian friend - I am south african; yes, i am orthodox and follow faith. I probably one of the very few who also is very close to my fellow town's muslims who i grew up with.

Here it is a rainbow nation; we have people here all the world. Javanese moslems - approx 1.5mil who are here for over 300 years; similarly for jews approx one of the largest diasporas as well since 1910's as well i believe approx over 300,000- most are from ex-baltic states or poland but we have others who came from isreal as well; similarly, we have largest population of Tamils in Durbans outside SriLanka/India.
 

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Listen to this one. It's a remake of old Ghazal by same artist , Mahdi Hassan. Peot is Faiz Ahmed Faiz. It has got English captions as well for better understanding of lyrics. Mind blowing poetry.

 

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nothing persian friend - I am south african; yes, i am orthodox and follow faith. I probably one of the very few who also is very close to my fellow town's muslims who i grew up with.

Here it is a rainbow nation; we have people here all the world. Javanese moslems - approx 1.5mil who are here for over 300 years; similarly for jews approx one of the largest diasporas as well since 1910's as well i believe approx over 300,000- most are from ex-baltic states or poland but we have others who came from isreal as well; similarly, we have largest population of Tamils in Durbans outside SriLanka/India.
Very interesting, I once saw a Jewish temple in Lahore in-between some shops, and I can't remember the place, but i found that very interesting.
 

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Very interesting, I once saw a Jewish temple in Lahore in-between some shops, and I can't remember the place, but i found that very interesting.
I wont be surprised; unfortunately politiks everywhere destroy peoples lives and their subsequent generations. I saw some interesting footage from Allepo; i may detour in 2 or three years if all becomes stable. Most like anything left of family links will probably destroyed.
 

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