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What if the F-14 was still active in the U.S. Navy and technology progressed that would have been applied to the F-14 design resolving the issues and improve the plane?
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probably will be F-15EX type F-14.

But then I failed to see how this is a good thing as the USAF is going to go with Stealth anyway, maybe they can sell it to other country, or have them in the Navy and give them special role like the Growler. But in all, I don't think Tomcat 22 is going anywhere.
 
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probably will be F-15EX type F-14.

But then I failed to see how this is a good thing as the USAF is going to go with Stealth anyway, maybe they can sell it to other country, or have them in the Navy and give them special role like the Growler. But in all, I don't thing a Tomcat 22 is going anywhere.
Well question is can they get the F-15 variant to fold its wings that the Navy would want. The 21st century Tomcat in the video was very cool and I believe practical but obviously would be costly in the long run especially trying to maintain its stealth features with those variable wings.
 

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Well question is can they get the F-15 variant to fold its wings that the Navy would want. The 21st century Tomcat in the video was very cool and I believe practical but obviously would be costly in the long run especially trying to maintain its stealth features with those variable wings.
Well, I mean they will take apart an F-14 and remake it like they do with F-15EX.....You still need to balance battlefield survivability over platform usage. It's no good when you put it out and then got shot to shit by your enemy.

And this is going to be a money draining project, that's why I said unless they can sell it overseas, I don't see how or why they would go back from Stealth for Tomcat 22. Even if they make it stealth.........
 

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When I was on the F-111, the crewchiefs told me in order of bitchiness:

1. Engine change
2. Main gear
3. Wing sweep actuator

Anything else is minor compare to those three. Of course, we are not talking about major structures like the wing itself or the stabs or the capsule. We are talking about things that require the jet to be hangared and they start opening major panels. I seen several wing sweep actuator changes and the top of the jet was opened like surgery on the human body. Three thousands psi actuator and large and heavy complex mechanical linkages to make sure both wings move in-sync with each other.

Variable geometry wing do have its advantages but on the front line, meaning beyond the NASA R/D purposes, the logistics to support the jets are taxing. I believe the Bone will the last variable geometry for US ever.
 
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When I was on the F-111, the crewchiefs told me in order if bitchiness:

1. Engine change
2. Main gear
3. Wing sweep actuator

Anything else is minor compare to those three. Of course, we are not talking about major structures like the wing itself or the stabs or the capsule. We are talking about things that require the jet to be hangared and they start opening major panels. I seen several wing sweep actuator changes and the top of the jet was opened like surgery on the human body. Three thousands psi actuator and large and heavy complex mechanical linkages to make sure both wings move in-sync with each other.

Variable geometry wing do have its advantages but on the front line, meaning beyond the NASA R/D purposes, the logistics to support the jets are taxing. I believe the Bone will the last variable geometry for US ever.
Wonder if they can make an even bigger version of the Super Hornet to make it longer range and carry heavier weaponry. Or the U.S. Navy have their own plans for a replacement of the SH.
 

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Wonder if they can make an even bigger version of the Super Hornet to make it longer range and carry heavier weaponry. Or the U.S. Navy have their own plans for a replacement of the SH.
I believe the current iteration of the Hornet is the end. Of course, the Navy does have something in the works for a replacement. What? We do not know for a few more yrs.

The reason why the F-18 is used in TG:M is because Cruise want realism, not CGI, so the F-35 is out because there is no two-seater F-35. Then they had to come up with a technically dubious explanation to deny the F-35 in the story. But in the end, TC was right in that realism worked to the tune of nearly 1bil in ticket sales worldwide. TG:M will further secure the fact that in Hollywood what TC want, TC get, and that it will take something large like the US goobermint to deny him.

From a flying perspective, TG:M is a much more technically matured movie. When TG came out and I went with some friends to see it in the theater. When people were impressed with the aileron rolls, us Air Force people were like 'Eh...??? What is so awesome about that...???' When I was learning how to fly back in high school, I did aileron rolls in a Cessna 152. But it turned out that TG director Tony Scott was impressed because he did not know much about flying so he wanted the Navy guys to roll as many times as they can. And those aileron rolls paid off handsomely. To me, what was really visually impressive was the four vapor cones scene. The best visual effect in the whole movie, in my opinion.
 

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I believe the current iteration of the Hornet is the end. Of course, the Navy does have something in the works for a replacement. What? We do not know for a few more yrs.

The reason why the F-18 is used in TG:M is because Cruise want realism, not CGI, so the F-35 is out because there is no two-seater F-35. Then they had to come up with a technically dubious explanation to deny the F-35 in the story. But in the end, TC was right in that realism worked to the tune of nearly 1bil in ticket sales worldwide. TG:M will further secure the fact that in Hollywood what TC want, TC get, and that it will take something large like the US goobermint to deny him.
Hah, yeah it was very dubious to not use the F-35 but it would have have ending the movie quick and Maverick not involved LOL! I can think of many ways to hit that target without having to send the SH right on top of the target.
 

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Hah, yeah it was very dubious to not use the F-35 but it would have have ending the movie quick and Maverick not involved LOL! I can think of many ways to hit that target without having to send the SH right on top of the target.
According to Top Gun lore, when Navy pilots told director Tony Scott what happens in flying, Scott said something to the effects of "I don't tell you how to fly, so you don't tell me how to make a story."
 

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tbh, since they did that whole Darkstar thing, I would've preferred they swapped that plane with a Super Tomcat 22-type thing.

It didn't make sense that the US Navy would develop an SR-71 successor.

Also, I think it would've been cooler if Maverick was a perennial Top Gun instructor. Basically, a guy who didn't want to climb up the ranks because he wanted to keep flying and train new pilots. He becomes that 'edgy' instructor every naval aviator has to go through, a legend. It would've been sick if he flew an aggressor F-16 too.

They also could've created a story about how the pilots weren't using JHMCS. Maybe Maverick demands they put JHMCS aside and learn dogfighting the old school way because they're over-reliant on HOBS and don't have 'instinct' or whatever. Then he whips them around with his F-16 until they get it.
 

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I believe the current iteration of the Hornet is the end. Of course, the Navy does have something in the works for a replacement. What? We do not know for a few more yrs.

The reason why the F-18 is used in TG:M is because Cruise want realism, not CGI, so the F-35 is out because there is no two-seater F-35. Then they had to come up with a technically dubious explanation to deny the F-35 in the story. But in the end, TC was right in that realism worked to the tune of nearly 1bil in ticket sales worldwide. TG:M will further secure the fact that in Hollywood what TC want, TC get, and that it will take something large like the US goobermint to deny him.

From a flying perspective, TG:M is a much more technically matured movie. When TG came out and I went with some friends to see it in the theater. When people were impressed with the aileron rolls, us Air Force people were like 'Eh...??? What is so awesome about that...???' When I was learning how to fly back in high school, I did aileron rolls in a Cessna 152. But it turned out that TG director Tony Scott was impressed because he did not know much about flying so he wanted the Navy guys to roll as many times as they can. And those aileron rolls paid off handsomely. To me, what was really visually impressive was the four vapor cones scene. The best visual effect in the whole movie, in my opinion.
Not exactly - the grapevine was that the F-35 was wanted but the Navy was hesitant on opening up the Jet(and rightly so since its 20-30 years ahead to any potential adversary)

tbh, since they did that whole Darkstar thing, I would've preferred they swapped that plane with a Super Tomcat 22-type thing.

It didn't make sense that the US Navy would develop an SR-71 successor.

Also, I think it would've been cooler if Maverick was a perennial Top Gun instructor. Basically, a guy who didn't want to climb up the ranks because he wanted to keep flying and train new pilots. He becomes that 'edgy' instructor every naval aviator has to go through, a legend. It would've been sick if he flew an aggressor F-16 too.

They also could've created a story about how the pilots weren't using JHMCS. Maybe Maverick demands they put JHMCS aside and learn dogfighting the old school way because they're over-reliant on HOBS and don't have 'instinct' or whatever. Then he whips them around with his F-16 until they get it.
Don’t think the common audience would know or care about HMS. They could have shown the naval 6th gen but that was too classified.
The Darkstar was a good candidate to keep a myth going of how pilots push the envelope and get Skunkworks to show off their chops.

Hah, yeah it was very dubious to not use the F-35 but it would have have ending the movie quick and Maverick not involved LOL! I can think of many ways to hit that target without having to send the SH right on top of the target.
According to both Mover and Caroll they had a F-35 story around it but the Navy said no
 

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Not exactly - the grapevine was that the F-35 was wanted but the Navy was hesitant on opening up the Jet(and rightly so since its 20-30 years ahead to any potential adversary)


Don’t think the common audience would know or care about HMS. They could have shown the naval 6th gen but that was too classified.
The Darkstar was a good candidate to keep a myth going of how pilots push the envelope and get Skunkworks to show off their chops.


According to both Mover and Caroll they had a F-35 story around it but the Navy said no
Paramount should hire a Japanese studio to make a Top Gun anime spinoff. I feel like the crowd overlaps, especially among the youngins. They can get a lot of the less common, more technical aspects in that medium. Sort of like Initial D.
 

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Paramount should hire a Japanese studio to make a Top Gun anime spinoff. I feel like the crowd overlaps, especially among the youngins. They can get a lot of the less common, more technical aspects in that medium. Sort of like Initial D.
There was Area 88 but it too went too fictional.

DCS has revived interest a lot and one may see some return of an aviation series.

Although the way Hollywood is going with its catering to whatever liberal agenda is going and focus groups - it may turn out to be some tripe about alien invasion where a Hijabi muslim Black/Indian fighter pilot is the lead with Lesbian Pakistani/Indian parents.


And that’s the end of my rant on that
 

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There was Area 88 but it too went too fictional.

DCS has revived interest a lot and one may see some return of an aviation series.

Although the way Hollywood is going with its catering to whatever liberal agenda is going and focus groups - it may turn out to be some tripe about alien invasion where a Hijabi muslim Black/Indian fighter pilot is the lead with Lesbian Pakistani/Indian parents.


And that’s the end of my rant on that
That would be very stunning and brave lol.
 

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There was Area 88 but it too went too fictional.

DCS has revived interest a lot and one may see some return of an aviation series.

Although the way Hollywood is going with its catering to whatever liberal agenda is going and focus groups - it may turn out to be some tripe about alien invasion where a Hijabi muslim Black/Indian fighter pilot is the lead with Lesbian Pakistani/Indian parents.


And that’s the end of my rant on that
You mean a "Lesbo Independence Day"?? Instead of Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum we have a Indian lesbian fighter pilot??

I would be the first one buying them ticket........
 

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