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Who gains from fomenting chaos in a nuclear armed, deeply religious country? Not USA. And specially when Afghanistan is already a mess.
Its called controlled Chaos. 70k+ Pakistani citizens dead over the course of the American WOT is a case study.
if Cuba is a land of bread and honey may be Pakistanis should line up and emigrate there

Haiti has always been what it is. The only thing notable about this attempt is that you have naturalized US citizens and green card holders being accused of assassination.

There are several hundred thousand Chinese working all over Africa. Probability that random one gets popped on a given day is quite high.

you should read Stalin's biographies to get an idea what paranoia is
Maybe Cuba and Haiti are in a mess due to constant meddling of America in their affairs? Ever thought about that? Its rather strange When America is trying to meddle in south China sea, around China's backyard, world is seeing , out of blue, the unrest in Cuba and Haiti, places you call American backyard. One word, BRI.

I am sure you old enough to understand the geopolitics.
 
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Its called controlled Chaos. 70k+ Pakistani citizens dead over the course of the American WOT is a case study.
A case study for what, exactly? A loss of a mere fraction of a percent of the population over a decade is not much of anything, considering the numbers. Besides, much of those losses were due to internal factors, and not anything external. Similar claims for economic losses make the assumption that Pakistan would have been a South Korea were it not for the WoT. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The reason Pakistan remains a basket case is primarily due to INTERNAL factors. Even CPEC, to remain on topic, will have difficulty meeting all the claims being made for it, as is usual for Pakistan.
 

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A case study for what, exactly?
On how to run a proxy war against a nation without declaring an open war against it. Its called hybrid warfare/fifth generation warfare, I am sure you have heard Pakistani officials mentioned it many times, unless you been living under the rock all these years?


A loss of a mere fraction of a percent of the population over a decade is not much of anything, considering the numbers
Is that so? Apart from nations who were occupied in this timeframe, name me one nation who were subjected to this level of "foreign sponsored" terrorism?


Besides, much of those losses were due to internal factors, and not anything external
Non sense, all factors trace back to Afghan soil being used by enemy nations to cause mayhem in Pakistan. Before America and its touts arrival in Afghanistan, there was no terrorism in Pakistan.
 

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On how to run a proxy war against a nation without declaring an open war against it. Its called hybrid warfare/fifth generation warfare, I am sure you have heard Pakistani officials mentioned it many times, unless you been living under the rock all these years?




Is that so? Apart from nations who were occupied in this timeframe, name me one nation who were subjected to this level of "foreign sponsored" terrorism?




Non sense, all factors trace back to Afghan soil being used by enemy nations to cause mayhem in Pakistan. Before America and its touts arrival in Afghanistan, there was no terrorism in Pakistan.

Look at it this way: Pakistan helped with defeating USSR by establishing links and training for mujahedin. When USA left suddenly after the collapse of USSR, factions of the old mujahedin were regarded as non-state resources to help free some other areas. What you describe above is largely the blowback from that failed strategy. That is all.
 

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Look at it this way: Pakistan helped with defeating USSR by establishing links and training for mujahedin. When USA left suddenly after the collapse of USSR, factions of the old mujahedin were regarded as non-state resources to help free some other areas. What you describe above is largely the blowback from that failed strategy. That is all.
That is what I would call intellectual dishonesty. Taliban ruled Afghanistan, the same "mujahedeen" and even before them who were facilitated in Peshawar accord to form a unity government, when descended into civil war later, even at those times, Afghan soil was not used to terrorise Pakistani citizens. This whole thing started AFTER American occupation in Afghanistan. Even for argument sake, if its assumed that it was only India which was conducting the terrorism campaign against Pakistan from Afghanistan, it was all happening right under American nose, hell, America facilitated Indian presence in Afghanistan. Buck stop at the top.
 

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That is what I would call intellectual dishonesty. Taliban ruled Afghanistan, the same "mujahedeen" and even before them who were facilitated in Peshawar accord to form a unity government, when descended into civil war later, even at those times, Afghan soil was not used to terrorise Pakistani citizens. This whole thing started AFTER American occupation in Afghanistan. Even for argument sake, if its assumed that it was only India which was conducting the terrorism campaign against Pakistan from Afghanistan, it was all happening right under American nose, hell, America facilitated Indian presence in Afghanistan. Buck stop at the top.
There is no buck here to stop. It is simply a geopolitical game, that everyone is entitled to play as best as they can. Pakistan had what it thought was a great strategy to further its own national interests. Other parties were, and are, equally entitled, to respond to this strategy as they saw fit. All of that is pretty straightforward without any dishonesty at all.
 

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There is no buck here to stop. It is simply a geopolitical game, that everyone is entitled to play as best as they can. Pakistan had what it thought was a great strategy to further its own national interests. Other parties were, and are, equally entitled, to respond to this strategy as they saw fit. All of that is pretty straightforward without any dishonesty at all.

Why don't you just admit that America and lackies sponsored terrorism campaign against Pakistan and its citizens to further their own agenda and interests, in the name of so called geopolitics.
 

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Why don't you just admit that America and lackies sponsored terrorism campaign against Pakistan and its citizens to further their own agenda and interests, in the name of so called geopolitics.
As soon as you admit that Pakistan is playing the same game you are accusing others of playing.
 

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Why don't you just admit that America and lackies sponsored terrorism campaign against Pakistan and its citizens to further their own agenda and interests, in the name of so called geopolitics.
Okay America did it, with CIA, FSB, Mossad help they all put nanotech bombs on the bus. There, is your fantasy satisfied because it seems that is all you wanted to hear right, everyone else is at fault except Pakistan.
I implore you to think before you 'connect the dots', it's good to be critical but worse to be biased to the point where you are blinded by your own false statements.
On how to run a proxy war against a nation without declaring an open war against it. Its called hybrid warfare/fifth generation warfare, I am sure you have heard Pakistani officials mentioned it many times, unless you been living under the rock all these years?
Same officials which said Bus A/C exploded?
 

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As soon as you admit that Pakistan is playing the same game you are accusing others of playing.
I dont recall Pakistan sponsoring terrorism campaign on American soil killing American citizens in thousands. When did this happen? Unless you been living in a parallel world?
Okay America did it, with CIA, FSB, Mossad help they all put nanotech bombs on the bus. There, is your fantasy satisfied because it seems that is all you wanted to hear right, everyone else is at fault except Pakistan.
I implore you to think before you 'connect the dots', it's good to be critical but worse to be biased to the point where you are blinded by your own false statements.

Same officials which said Bus A/C exploded?
Why dont you stop your bullshite and put your money where your loud mouth is and tell us so to who did it, and why and for what purpose? Who benefits from this? Any clue???
 

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As soon as you admit that Pakistan is playing the same game you are accusing others of playing.
I have time stamped the ex general of Pakistan and his views of bombing on Chinese engineers bus. Do listen.



Its an act of war by American/Indo nexus, according to him. You need to understand, grasp and come to term with the reality that its just not ordinary folks like myself but those who have seen thing first hand, based on their knowledge of ground realities, are of the same view.
 
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I dont recall Pakistan sponsoring terrorism campaign on American soil killing American citizens in thousands. When did this happen? Unless you been living in a parallel world?
I must admire the selective memory on display here. Ignoring the nationality of the main planner of 9/11 (and where he was captured), the main instigator of 9/11 (and where he was captured), and where many of the AQ leadership was killed or captured, and the resultant thousands of deaths on NYC, please do try to remember the 6 US citizens killed in 2008, among other things, with special attention to the aftermath of the investigations and convictions.

Who is living in what world is pretty evident already, so I will not comment on that at all. Some may still decide not to wake up and smell the coffee, but it is their choice.

Its an act of war by American/Indo nexus, according to him. You need to understand, grasp and come to term with the reality that its just not ordinary folks like myself but those who have seen thing first hand, based on their knowledge of ground realities, are of the same view.
Let's see. A retired has-been who has (according to his own words) "no direct knowledge of what the government knows" thinks that "according to his own analysis" Pakistan must raise the bus bombing as an "act of terrorism by the US/India nexus" in the UN, and then questions "why we cannot say that". Obviously, PMIK, with his known honesty and determination, and being on the same page as the currently serving Generals, has not been able to follow this advice. Why not?

Again, it seems to be quite evident already that will need a special kind of tinfoil hat to take that interview and try to extrapolate it into any form of effective diplomacy that could be beneficial to Pakistan.
 

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I must admire the selective memory on display here. Ignoring the nationality of the main planner of 9/11 (and where he was captured), the main instigator of 9/11 (and where he was captured), and where many of the AQ leadership was killed or captured, and the resultant thousands of deaths on NYC, please do try to remember the 6 US citizens killed in 2008, among other things, with special attention to the aftermath of the investigations and convictions.

Who is living in what world is pretty evident already, so I will not comment on that at all. Some may still decide not to wake up and smell the coffee, but it is their choice.
Pardon my French, but that is the biggest piece of BS I have heard in recent times.

Allow me to explain. OBL was NOT, I repeat, NOT a Pakistani citizen. All those so called perpetrators of 9/11 attack, came NOT from Pakistan but were all Saudi nationals. Its a biggest joke that Saudi Arabia never got even a slap on the wrist for its citizens involved in the biggest terrorist act on American soil!! If we are to believe the western narrative, just for argument sake, all of the planning and execution was done from Afghan soil. So where does Pakistan comes into this picture? You lot justifying your terror campaign against Pakistani citizens just because you lot deliberately let CIA blue eyed boy, OBL, slip into Pakistani territory from tora bora? So if Hitler managed to escape to France, you are going to bomb France and its people and terrorise them for that???????????


You are smoking some weird stuff, i would suggest to get off it asap, for your own good.


Let's see. A retired has-been who has (according to his own words) "no direct knowledge of what the government knows" thinks that "according to his own analysis" Pakistan must raise the bus bombing as an "act of terrorism by the US/India nexus" in the UN, and then questions "why we cannot say that". Obviously, PMIK, with his known honesty and determination, and being on the same page as the currently serving Generals, has not been able to follow this advice. Why not?

Again, it seems to be quite evident already that will need a special kind of tinfoil hat to take that interview and try to extrapolate it into any form of effective diplomacy that could be beneficial to Pakistan.

Question is, what are your credentials to challenge the ex General of Pakistan army, who happened to be in the mix of things at the peak of this so called WOT?

A random keyboard warrior think himself more knowledgeable against someone who actually fought the damn war!! what world has come to! SIT DOWN, you are an embarrassment.
 

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came NOT from Pakistan but were all Saudi nationals.
Incorrect. Please read up on Khalid Sheikh Muhammad first before continuing with your erroneous tirade. We can come to others after that.
Question is, what are your credentials to challenge the ex General of Pakistan army, who happened to be in the mix of things at the peak of this so called WOT?
The has-been himself says he has no knowledge of what the government is doing "which must be correct". Not a peep from PMIK about raising the terror by this so-called US/India nexus. Talk about self-evident.
 

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Incorrect. Please read up on Khalid Sheikh Muhammad first before continuing with your erroneous tirade. We can come to others after that.

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with the militant Islamist group al-Qaeda. They hailed from four countries; fifteen of them were citizens of Saudi Arabia, two were from the United Arab Emirates, one was from Lebanon, and one from Egypt.


I ask you AGAIN, where is Pakistan is this?


The has-been himself says he has no knowledge of what the government is doing "which must be correct". Not a peep from PMIK about raising the terror by this so-called US/India nexus. Talk about self-evident.

And thats how ALL, every "ex" establishment men say, without any exception, including your country, US.
 

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