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صرف ن لیگ کا راستہ روکنے کے لئے جو عفریت تخلیق کیا گیا آج وہ اپنے تخلیق کاروں کے لئے مسئلہ بن گیا

From 2014 to 2021 - From PTI to TLP. It is a series of bad decisions. Some will still not see it for what it is because reality is too painful.
 

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From 2014 to 2021 - From PTI to TLP. It is a series of bad decisions. Some will still not see it for what it is because reality is too painful.
you forgot how PMLN used Sunni extremists?, SSP guys... asking these guys to stop sectarianism in Punjab but kept their relationship
in the end it just went to Quetta, Karachi etc
its a bad, dangerous political tradition used by everyone throughout Pakistani political history
Paranoia is by design, surely. Keep everyone guessing. But they are not smart themselves, just powerful. One day, when the cost is too high to bear, it'll all come crashing down.

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TLP is the Johnny sins of this PTI administration lol...
 

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That one day has not arrived for several decades, and is still at some undetermined point in the future. Meanwhile, the show goes on as planned. When the not smart hold sway, what does it say about the swayed?
Plenty has changed. I am not sure you can imagine how hot is Punjab right now. The planners are trapped - there is no easy way out. People are savvier now, thanks to social media. You may well imagine what is going on in other provinces. History's course may not be to your liking, but it sure will unroll regardless. SS & Zardari may present themselves as alternatives, but I am not sure they will be able to turn things around for the Establishment.

Inflation, low growth, devaluation of PKR, confusion on all levels, & general deterioration is not something that can be addressed by either Establishment or its puppets.
 

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From 2014 to 2021 - From PTI to TLP. It is a series of bad decisions. Some will still not see it for what it is because reality is too painful.
let's talk about these 7 years. What have we learned from these mistakes? Nothing.... There is a fault in our stars. People on high positions in establishment never think about this country but for their vested interests. Some will buy an island and another will make a pizza joint.
 

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Inflation, low growth, devaluation of PKR, confusion on all levels, & general deterioration is not something that can be addressed by either Establishment or its puppets.

Then who will come and solve these pivotal issues? It is more than 70 years and seasoned parties and the establishment are tried and tested...
 

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Then who will come and solve these pivotal issues? It is more than 70 years and seasoned parties and the establishment are tried and tested...
The constitution was never followed; it was never allowed to be followed. The prescription is very easy: just let the process work organically. Civvies get a bad rap, but the real problem lies elsewhere. Just read Pakistan's history from sources, not headlines.
let's talk about these 7 years. What have we learned from these mistakes? Nothing.... There is a fault in our stars. People on high positions in establishment never think about this country but for their vested interests. Some will buy an island and another will make a pizza joint.
Island & Pizza joints are already done. Cushy jobs in UAE & KSA are also done. I think South America may have a future role. LOL....
 
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Instead of alienating another section of own people, just kick out French ambassador.
The buck never stops with the religious fanatics. You give them an inch and they force you to cede a mile next time. Have we learned nothing from handing over the entire Malakand to TTP/TNSM? Where do you think GSP plus would go once you boot the French ambassador? With crashing exports, where would your current account deficit go? Where would your PKR go against the dollar? Your enemy ONLY has to invest in these Brelvi fanatics and they could give him what Deobandi fanatics never could, i.e. a total economic collapse if the state surrenders to their demands. Don't play into the hands of the enemies who would have bought many among the TLP echelons. These molvis would sell their mothers if there was a promise of money and political power/influence in it for them. Likes of TLP are the trojan horses hiding in which your enemies would denuclearize and balkanize you. Wake up, please! For God's sake before it's too late!
 
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The constitution was never followed; it was never allowed to be followed. The prescription is very easy: just let the process work organically.

With that said then let PTI completes its term with all its mistakes, incompetency /short comings and what not....
 

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The buck never stops with the religious fanatics. You give them an inch and they force you to cede a mile next time. Have we learned nothing from handing over the entire Malakand to TTP/TNSM? Where do you think GSP plus would go once you boot the French ambassador? With crashing exports, where would your current account deficit go? Where would your PKR go against the dollar? Your enemy ONLY has to invest in these Brelvi fanatics and they could give him what Deobandi fanatics never could, i.e. a total economic collapse if the state surrenders to their demands. Don't play into the hands of the enemies who would have bought many among the TLP echelons. These molvis would sell their mothers if there was a promise of money and political power/influence in it for them. Likes of TLP are the trojan horses hiding in which your enemies would denuclearize and balkanize you. Wake up, please! For God's sake before it's too late!
PTI jokers can never tackle these people. They just want to kick the can down the road, & repeat it until they are done; they'd be happy making it somebody else's problem to solve. This is crass. Have you seen PML-N, PPP, or any other mature party try to take advantage of this situation like PTI did in 2017?

The solution is very very simple. Establishment ought to eff-off to doing their own basic job. Let election-empowered civvies handle the issues from a position of legitimacy. This is not a job for hired clowns. Follow the constitution & respect the process.

How would this work in actuality? Dissolve the government & hold fresh elections. Whoever gets the majority seats ought to be respected & given space. Nothing legitimizes a government like fair elections. Whoever comes in power would deal with TLP. Orders are to be followed, unlike Rangers in 2017.
With that said then let PTI completes its term with all its mistakes, incompetency /short comings and what not....
No. Once Establishment steps back, PTI would get thrashed & scattered - just watch. In parliamentary system, no government is guaranteed a full term. That happens in presidential system. Early elections are a thing.
 

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PTI jokers can never tackle these people. They just want to kick the can down the road, & repeat it until they are done; they'd be happy making it somebody else's problem to solve. This is crass. Have you seen PML-N, PPP, or any other mature party try to take advantage of this situation like PTI did in 2017?

The solution is very very simple. Establishment ought to eff-off to doing their own basic job. Let election-empowered civvies handle the issues from a position of legitimacy. This is not a job for hired clowns. Follow the constitution & respect the process.

How would this work in actuality? Dissolve the government & hold fresh elections. Whoever gets the majority seats ought to be respected & given space. Nothing legitimizes a government like fair elections. Whoever comes in power would deal with TLP. Orders are to be followed, unlike Rangers in 2017.

No. Once Establishment steps back, PTI would get thrashed & scattered - just watch. In parliamentary system, no government is guaranteed a full term. That happens in presidential system. Early elections are a thing.

PMLN ain't coming back in power .... you can even drag your bare *** on the tarmac, your ruhani baap or his daughter won't return to power!
 

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PTI jokers can never tackle these people. They just want to kick the can down the road, & repeat it until they are done; they'd be happy making it somebody else's problem to solve. This is crass. Have you seen PML-N, PPP, or any other mature party try to take advantage of this situation like PTI did in 2017?

The solution is very very simple. Establishment ought to eff-off to doing their own basic job. Let election-empowered civvies handle the issues from a position of legitimacy. This is not a job for hired clowns. Follow the constitution & respect the process.

How would this work in actuality? Dissolve the government & hold fresh elections. Whoever gets the majority seats ought to be respected & given space. Nothing legitimizes a government like fair elections. Whoever comes in power would deal with TLP. Orders are to be followed, unlike Rangers in 2017.

No. Once Establishment steps back, PTI would get thrashed & scattered - just watch. In parliamentary system, no government is guaranteed a full term. That happens in presidential system. Early elections are a thing.
True, political maturity was lacking in PTI. IK wanted power by hook or crook, so he backed anyone agitating on the streets (or who was "made to" agitate by the ring leaders who controlled both him and other agitators). Now he has that power, but the same ploys are being used against him too (maybe). He has compromised his relationship with his strong backers at such a critical juncture as well.

We could not have an enlightened despot. The intellectual deficit is too low. IK was well-meaning and not financially corrupt, but he lacked intellectual capital. We would never get a confluence of both intellectual prowess and moral uprightness in a leader in a debased society like ours. The best solution is the collective wisdom of the same rotten political class to lead the people (as it happened in India). Fair elections, empowered civilian governments that are "allowed" to pay attention to GOVERNANCE could break the vicious cycles. However, why would the establishment ever allow something that undercuts its own political clout and the king-maker status in this country (not to forget all the financial perks that come along with it, because it remains beyond the reproach of accountability - financial or otherwise)? I see no reason for it to do that. Do you? It like other players is shortsighted as well, not recognizing that the size of the pie it wants to have is getting smaller and smaller with every cycle of its malign shenanigans. My solution is for politicians to accept subservience until they begin delivering on the governance front. Likes of Shehbaz Sharif could do that. One expected IK would also swallow the bitter pill and he did for a long duration, but something changed recently. His future looks bleak now. Better governance=Political legitimacy=Public support at the grassroots=cutting to size the outsized influence of establishment in the statecraft. That's the pathway, the only realistic one. One Turks followed too.
PMLN ain't coming back in power .... you can even drag your bare *** on the tarmac, your ruhani baap or his daughter won't return to power!

The way things are, minus Nawaz and his progeny, PML N is the only option left other than a direct military rule which is no longer an option. But we would be digressing from the topic at hand if we begin talking about it.
 
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PMLN ain't coming back in power .... you can even drag your bare *** on the tarmac, your ruhani baap or his daughter won't return to power!

Biggest jokers are these status quo lot who want corruption to thrive, its no wonder you have high stunted growth population who can't think properly, besides it was bad enough in 2017 when TLP came on streets and almost dethroned Godfather led government, TLP shouldn't have been allowed to get that far but they only came due to a change in Khatme Nabuwwat law by PMLN government.
 

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yes, yes and yes. don't try to sell the tlp churan to me. it's a fitna party that sells the short cut to jannah idiology. first label someone as a "gustakh", kill em & walaa, you're a confirm jannati, no need to study Islam, no need to follow Sunnah, no need to embrace the seerah. gotten to the point that they now blackmail the state. not gonna fly. the party leaders are the type of jahil gavaar & manhoos people who will knock on your door and try to go inside your house and then your bedroom uninvited until your break their jaw.

I'm not gonna say anything about the average Pakistani, whether a TLP supporter, PTI or PML-N one, in regards to what you said. Because they're all the same to me. :rolleyes:

Some have more brain power than others to decide better but no one is above anyone in Pakistan. No one has the moral right to point fingers when all are full time, part time or part-part time thieves, liars, back bitters etc.

What I can say is that the leadership of TLP, Rizvi and his son, have studied Islam, a lot more than I or anyone else on this forum has. So your "churan example" makes no sense to me.

All leaders look to inspire others and their followers. You're saying it's "churan" when TLP does it but when Imran or Nawaz do it it's ok??

Like really? :lol:
I'm talking about the very genesis of TLP in the very beginning.

Movements are always a snowball affect. Nothing wrong or sus about that.
 

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