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Allama Khadim Hussain RAZAVI was unknown before blasphemy sin made by Asia Maseeh. He was a Hafiz e Quran, Hadees as well as Hafiz of Poetry of Allama Muhammad Iqbal رحمة الله عليه . Initially He was serving as an auqaf official in the Punjab. Auqaf was willing him to follow their way but he disagreed and was terminated. Later on same auqaf offered a job to his son along with his outstanding dues. But he refused to take that opportunity and continued his mission.

The slogans making the rounds among Rizvi’s supporters is: “Hum sab kuch bardasht kar saktay haen magar apnay aaqa SAW ki shaan main adna si baat bhi bardasht nahin kar saktay [We can tolerate anything but we won’t tolerate anything said against the Prophet, PBUH].” This feeds into a hard-line stance on the minority qadianies / ahmadis that is adopted by Rizvi and his supporters.

First Emerging Point: Asia Maseeh, Salman Taseer and Ghazi Mumtaz Qadri

He opposed the Government and demanded to release of Mumtaz Qadri who shooted a PPP minister Salman Taseer because of calling Islam as " Black Law ". Due to these demands many religious parties joined him. They also protested against the release of Asia Maseeh which was sentenced to death from High court and all previous courts (Whose case was incomplete). Here a point was alarming why Pakistan govt was very active in this case despite many pending cases in queue before it. In the same time a video was viral where British officials were discussing what we got from 9.2 billion funding to Pakistan.

Later on Pakistan govt hanged Mumtaz Qadri at midnight. About 6 million people attended his funeral and promised not to support PMLN. Here comes the Beginning of Tehreek e LABAIK YA RASOOL ALLAH SAW.

Second Point: PMLN and Khatam-e-Nabuwat in the Election Act 2017

PMLN govt tried to give qadianies (non muslims) an access to Pakistan Parliament with Law Minister Zahid Hamid having drafted objectionable changes pertaining to Khatam-e-Nabuwat in the Election Act 2017. TLP demanded PMLN to show off every responsible person and remove them from Government but PMLN refused left no option but protesting.

Third Point: Boycott Holand/Netherland due to Blasphemous cartoons

TLP demanded the expelling of Holland ambassador and complete boycott of it's products. It was a nationwide movement and people circulated all Netherlands products suggesting to boycott it. PTI govt did not responded in an appropriate manner and ignored the demands. Where so called Worlds most powerful leader Imran khan did not even bothered to give hard stance against Holland. Meanwhile Holland ambassador visited Pakistan showed the reality of PTI intentions.

Fourth Point: Boycott France over Blasphemous Cartoons

French government openly allowed people to held cartoon contest and was supported by the government. It was the first time in history that a country blasphemed Prophet Muhammad SAW. Where our leaders did not showed any interest to react.

Here TLP demanded to expel french ambassador and boycott france on governmental level but PTI the so called Islamic government showed no interest in this matter and left no option except protesting.

Accusation of destruction during Protest:

Many people alleged TLP causing destruction and killings during protest but Allama Khadim Hussain replied we ara peaceful and have no relation with such people. Government can find and punish such people as per the crimes.
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Even Interior Minister Shahryar Afrirdi cleared it in the parliament meeting: TLP is not involved in destruction!

On that time many opposition parties were active to use protest for their own will that is to destable PTI goverment. Closure of protest with agreement was a wise move.
 
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He was supporter of a declared & proven terrorist. This party (TLP) was formed in support of declared terrorist. Please do read detailed verdict of Highest court of Pakistan on it (https://www.refworld.org/pdfid/563891794.pdf). Anyone who supported him is supporting terrorism & fitna.
P.S. I wonder why admins allow terrorist sympathizers on this forum?
Lolol

The courts of Pakistan are a joke.

They are the ones who kept Asia Bibi falsely imprisoned for 10 years - not TLP.
 

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Allama Khadim Hussain RAZAVI was unknown before blasphemy sin made by Asia Maseeh. He was a Hafiz e Quran, Hadees as well as Hafiz of Poetry of Allama Muhammad Iqbal رحمة الله عليه . Initially He was serving as an auqaf official in the Punjab. Auqaf was willing him to follow their way but he disagreed and was terminated. Later on same auqaf offered a job to his son along with his outstanding dues. But he refused to take that opportunity and continued his mission.

The slogans making the rounds among Rizvi’s supporters is: “Hum sab kuch bardasht kar saktay haen magar apnay aaqa SAW ki shaan main adna si baat bhi bardasht nahin kar saktay [We can tolerate anything but we won’t tolerate anything said against the Prophet, PBUH].” This feeds into a hard-line stance on the minority qadianies / ahmadis that is adopted by Rizvi and his supporters.

First Emerging Point: Asia Maseeh, Salman Taseer and Ghazi Mumtaz Qadri

He opposed the Government and demanded to release of Mumtaz Qadri who shooted a PPP minister Salman Taseer because of calling Islam as " Black Law ". Due to these demands many religious parties joined him. They also protested against the release of Asia Maseeh which was sentenced to death from High court and all previous courts (Whose case was incomplete). Here a point was alarming why Pakistan govt was very active in this case despite many pending cases in queue before it. In the same time a video was viral where British officials were discussing what we got from 9.2 billion funding to Pakistan.

Later on Pakistan govt hanged Mumtaz Qadri at midnight. About 6 million people attended his funeral and promised not to support PMLN. Here comes the Beginning of Tehreek e LABAIK YA RASOOL ALLAH SAW.

Second Point: PMLN and Khatam-e-Nabuwat in the Election Act 2017

PMLN govt tried to give qadianies (non muslims) an access to Pakistan Parliament with Law Minister Zahid Hamid having drafted objectionable changes pertaining to Khatam-e-Nabuwat in the Election Act 2017. TLP demanded PMLN to show off every responsible person and remove them from Government but PMLN refused left no option but protesting.

Third Point: Boycott Holand/Netherland due to Blasphemous cartoons

TLP demanded the expelling of Holland ambassador and complete boycott of it's products. It was a nationwide movement and people circulated all Netherlands products suggesting to boycott it. PTI govt did not responded in an appropriate manner and ignored the demands. Where so called Worlds most powerful leader Imran khan did not even bothered to give hard stance against Holland. Meanwhile Holland ambassador visited Pakistan showed the reality of PTI intentions.

Fourth Point: Boycott France over Blasphemous Cartoons

French government openly allowed people to held cartoon contest and was supported by the government. It was the first time in history that a country blasphemed Prophet Muhammad SAW. Where our leaders did not showed any interest to react.

Here TLP demanded to expel french ambassador and boycott france on governmental level but PTI the so called Islamic government showed no interest in this matter and left no option except protesting.
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Brother I thought he was banned...yet within a day he is back posting?
 

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Lolol

The courts of Pakistan are a joke.

They are the ones who kept Asia Bibi falsely imprisoned for 10 years - not TLP.
Fair enough, so what is your stance on mumtaz qadri now and his supporters, facilitators, admirers?
 

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P.S. I wonder why admins allow terrorist sympathizers on this forum?
TLP got more than 2.1M votes in the 2018 elections....and they have many more million sympathizers. By my estimates, half of Pakistanis, if not more.

You should watch who you call "terrorist sympathizers". :lol:
@Irfan Baloch
Brother I thought he was banned...yet within a day he is back posting?
I see nothing wrong with the OP's post.....what's the matter?
 
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You should watch who you call "terrorist sympathizers". :lol:
Thank you for your enlightened post, atleast you accepted that TLP is a political organization which participates in the electoral process and religion is just a tool they use to mobilize their political activity.

Now lets suppose, your family needs immediate medical attention but you cant get to the hospital nor the ambulance can get to you. After years of saving pennies you are able to buy a small car so that your kids/family can ride safely or you can get to your work but it is burnt down. You are not allowed to go or move freely as per your wishes/choice/need and you are told you cant do it because someone says so. In-order to earn a living for your family you put up a small kiosk and it is robbed/burnt down and that day onwards you cant put food on table and God knows for how many days your kids will be sleeping hungry..... and countless other examples............................ so what would you label them?
 
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TLP got more than 2.1M votes in the 2018 elections....and they have many more million sympathizers. By my estimates, half of Pakistanis, if not more.

You should watch who you call "terrorist sympathizers". :lol:


I see nothing wrong with the OP's post.....what's the matter?
He was banned a day ago...check his other posts.
 

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Thank you for your enlightened post, atleast you accepted that TLP is a politican organization which participates in the electoral process and religion is just a tool they use to mobilize their political activity.

Your family needs immediate medical attention but you cant get to the hospital nor the ambulance can get to you. After years of saving pennies you are able to buy a small car so that your kids/family can ride safely or you can get to your work but it is burnt down. You are not allowed to go or move freely as per your wishes/choice/need and you are told you cant do it because someone says so. In-order to learn a living for your family you put up a small kiosk and it is robbed/burnt down and countless other examples............................ so what would you label them?
You just described the current mess which Pakistan is in. TLP has very little to do with it.......dharnas and protests are done by every part of Pakistani society. The unfortunate events that come out of such protests are overblown and a daily routine in Pakistan.

Btw, TLP got all those votes not because they're a political organization but because they have a backbone. Otherwise, there were tons of political parties who also got votes. And if I remember correctly, IK & PTI attended one of TLP's dharnas back in the day.......so these guys have all the legitimacy they need.

He was banned a day ago...check his other posts.
Thanks, I will. Got a summary of why this dude should not be posting, please?

He was banned a day ago...check his other posts.
I checked his posts on the main thread.....I agree with him except for when he goes of the track....
 
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You just described the current mess which Pakistan is in. TLP has very little to do with it.......dharnas and protests are done by every part of Pakistani society. The unfortunate events that come out of such protests are overblown and a daily routine in Pakistan.
Though I can differ on many points however for all other political dharna's, protest's and that lead to these unfortunate events I can even give leverage (just for the sake of the argument) but not the person/people who claims to be the "Ashiq-e-rasool of the highest order", with my little understanding of the religion I firmly believe Prophet PBUH will not be delighted. This is not what he preached, this is not what he believed in, this is not what he would have ever wanted his believer to do.

Furthermore saying the name of the Prophet PBUH and within the same breath/sentence the language he used, is beyond disgusting and is actually blasphemous. At the time of azaan saying "there is no need to respect the azaan of these pigs (referring to some wahabi mosque)". Thankfully I would never like to be such an Ashiq-e-rasool ever, we were raised to sit quietly and listen to azaan respectfully. And as for the their ishq, they should better go learn the history and scripture what Prophet PBUH said about non-muslim and their rights.

Lastly, for them Mumtaz Qadri is a saint, while for every other sane individual he was a terrorist, a murderer.

We clearly have a difference of opinion and I accept your rights to differ from my point of view unlike the TLP admirers who believe they only have a legitimate right of having an opinion. :-)
 

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TLP got more than 2.1M votes in the 2018 elections....and they have many more million sympathizers. By my estimates, half of Pakistanis, if not more.

You should watch who you call "terrorist sympathizers".
From this logic then Hitler had quite a more followers than TLP. It doesn't matter how many followers you have. If anyone break law of state he is criminal. And if anyone support a criminal than in my opinion he is also a criminal. And if anyone support someone who is declared proven terrorist than that person is also a terrorist.
 

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Though I can differ on many points however for all other political dharna's, protest's and that lead to these unfortunate events I can even give leverage (just for the sake of the argument) but not the person/people who claims to be the "Ashiq-e-rasool of the highest order", with my little understanding of the religion I firmly believe Prophet PBUH will not be delighted. This is not what he preached, this is not what he believed in, this is not what he would have ever wanted his believer to do.

Furthermore saying the name of the Prophet PBUH and within the same breath/sentence the language he used, is beyond disgusting and is actually blasphemous.

Lastly, for them Mumtaz Qadri is a saint, while for every other sane individual he was a terrorist, a murderer.

We clearly have a difference of opinion and I accept your rights to differ from my point of view unlike the TLP admirers who believe they only have a legitimate right of having an opinion. :-)
We can agree to disagree but at least hear it from the horse's mouth:


Even watching the first 7 mins will clear a lot of things.

From this logic then Hitler had quite a more followers than TLP. It doesn't matter how many followers you have. If anyone break law of state he is criminal. And if anyone support a criminal than in my opinion he is also a criminal. And if anyone support someone who is declared proven terrorist than that person is also a terrorist.
Your logic is full of fallacies. Who decides who's a terrorist and a criminal??

When actual criminals and terrorists have ruled Pakistan in the past, you have no right to call TLP leader that.

There's a day and night difference between Hitler and Khadim Rizvi. :lol:
 
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You just described the current mess which Pakistan is in. TLP has very little to do with it.......dharnas and protests are done by every part of Pakistani society. The unfortunate events that come out of such protests are overblown and a daily routine in Pakistan.

Btw, TLP got all those votes not because they're a political organization but because they have a backbone. Otherwise, there were tons of political parties who also got votes. And if I remember correctly, IK & PTI attended one of TLP's dharnas back in the day.......so these guys have all the legitimacy they need.



Thanks, I will. Got a summary of why this dude should not be posting, please?


I checked his posts on the main thread.....I agree with him except for when he goes of the track....
You agree up to you. We know how easily masses are mislead
Yiu are but one
 

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Fair enough, so what is your stance on mumtaz qadri now and his supporters, facilitators, admirers?
I think he was wrong to kill Salman Taseer.

I think it's wrong to support him for doing so.

I think we have a problem with the politicisation of blasphemy.

I also think our courts are more corrupt, dangerous and guilty of bloodshed in our country than any terrorist group or other extremist elements. They are the ultimate enablers of all wrong doing in our country.
 

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You agree up to you. We know how easily masses are mislead
Yiu are but one
E pluribus unum. Out of many, one. :D

I know what "misleading" you hint towards. I have guarded myself greatly against it. :angel:

All I do is see the bigger picture......leaving the emotions out.....cold as ice.

I think he was wrong to kill Salman Taseer.

I think it's wrong to support him for doing so.

I think we have a problem with the politicisation of blasphemy.

I also think our courts are more corrupt, dangerous and guilty of bloodshed in our country than any terrorist group or other extremist elements. They are the ultimate enablers of all wrong doing in our country.
You presented the bigger picture quite well. All I see is some Pakistani crying and protesting about the wrong things.....while they're being looted, exploited and enslaved...
 

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