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    Tipu Sultan aged 30 By Johann Zoffany, 1780

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    Shukr Ulla Seventh Son of Tipu Sultan , by Thomas Hickey, 1801

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    Faces from the Court of Tipu Sultan. Sultan Mohiuddin 4th son of Tipu , by Thomas Hickey March 1801

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    Tipu's cavalry breaks the British square at Pollilur, 1780.

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    Sir,,i want this to be like one of ur usual threads,,so dont just post pics.
    edit-ahh,,i see dreams :)
     
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    Tipu Sultan’s dream book (IO Islamic 3563)

    One of the most intriguing items in the British Library Persian manuscripts collection is a small unexceptional looking volume which contains a personal record, written in his own hand, of 37 dreams of Tipu Sultan, Sultan of Mysore (r. 1782-1799).

    The manuscript was presented to the Court of Directors of the East India Company in 1800 by Alexander Beatson on behalf of the Governor-General, Marquess Wellesley, after the fall of Seringapatam in 1799. The story of its discovery is recorded in Beatson’s signed and dated note at the end of the volume:

    This register of the Sultaun’s dreams was discovered by Colonel William Kirkpatrick, amongst other papers of a secret nature in an escritoire found in the Palace of Seringapatam. Hubbeeb Oollah, one of the most confidential of the Sultaun’s servants, was present at the time it was discovered. He knew that there was such a book of the Sultaun’s composition; but had never seen it, as the Sultaun always manifested peculiar anxiety to conceal it from the view of any who happened to approach while he was either reading or writing in it.

    The journal contains altogether 37 dreams dating from between April 1786 and January 1799, just a few months before Tipu Sultan's death. They occupy the first 16 leaves of the volume and are followed by 166 blank folios, with the final part of the volume taken up with related memoranda. The dreams were written perhaps hurriedly in what H. Ethé (no 3001 in his printed catalogue) describes as “a fearful Shikasta”, and contain numerous spelling errors, confusing, for example, the letters ذ with ز , and س with ص etc. Only a few of the dreams are described as having been written down on waking. Most were recorded afterwards and they are not all in chronological order. This arrangement suggests that the notebook was intended as an ongoing project containing a selection of Tipu’s most significant dreams, starting, perhaps, around 1795 (Brittlebank 2011, p 167). The dreams are dated according to Tipu’s own lunisolar calendrical system which used new month and year names based first on abjad and then on abtath values. The era, termed mawludi, was calculated from a date which was presumed to be the date of the Prophet's spiritual birth, 13 years earlier than the hijra. Another innovation was to write the numbers from right to left - logical, however, in a script which reads the same way!

    The dreams cover a wide variety of topics but the majority reflect Tipu’s preoccupations with his enemies. Some are seen as indicating success and victory. Others relay encounters with the Prophet, his son-in-law ʻAli and important religious and literary figures such as Saʻdi and Jami whose presence may be seen as a legitimising force.

    Considering the importance of divination and predicting the future in pre-modern Islam, the existence of this journal is entirely consistent with Tipu’s particular interest in the interpretation of dreams and bibliomancy. It has sometimes been regarded as something of an esoteric oddity but should be viewed, rather, as a serious attempt to make sense of events in a historical context.

    A selection of Tipu’s dreams follows:

    Dream 12: The message
    This dream dates from 1786 during the Maratha-Mysore war (1785-1787) when the Marathas, who had established a military alliance with the Nizam of Hyderabad, sought to recover territories they had lost in previous conflicts.

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    Dream 12: A message from the Prophet via Hazrat ʻAli (British Library IO Islamic 3563, f. 6v)

    Translation (Husain, pp. 61-2)

    On the 21st of the month Haidari [month 6], of the year Busd in accordance with the Zar evaluation [ie. the new abtath system], the fortieth year of the cycle [ie. September. 1786[1]], at the place where I had halted, on the farther side of the Tungabhadra, I had this dream: It appeared to me as if it was the Day of Judgement when no one would be interested in anyone else. At that time a stranger of great strength and commanding stature with a bright face and red beard and moustaches came to me and taking my hand in his, said to me : “Do you know who I am?” I told him I did not. He then said to me, “I am Murtaza Ali and the Messenger of God has said and is still repeating it that he would not set his foot in paradise without you and would wait for you and enter the paradise with you.” I felt so happy and woke up. God is all powerful, and the Messenger is the intercessor. This suffices.

    Dream 13: A woman in man’s dress
    Tipu had crossed the Tungabhadra river in August 1786, and on October 1st made a surprise attack with only 300 men on the Maratha camp under general Haripant Phadke. The next day the Marathas were forced to retreat (Muhibbul Hasan, pp. 112-5).

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    Dream 13: A woman in mans’ clothes (British Library IO Islamic 3563, f. 7r)

    Translation (Husain, pp. 63-4)

    Prior to the night attack upon the Marhattas at Shahnur by the side of Devgiri, on the 6th of the month Khusrawi [7th month], of the year Busd [yr. 40, i.e. October 1786], I had a dream: It seemed to me as if a handsome young man, a stranger, came and sat down near me. I passed certain remarks in the manner in which one might, in a playful mood, talk to a woman. I then said to myself: “It is not my custom to enter into playful discourse with anyone.” Shortly thereafter, the youth rose, and walking a few paces, returned to loosen his hair from beneath his turban, and opening the fastenings of his robe, displayed his bosom, and I saw it was a woman. I immediately called and seated her and said to her: “Whereas formerly I had only guessed you were a woman, and I had cut jokes with you, it is now definite that you are a woman in the dress of a man. My conjecture has come true.” In the midst of this conversation the morning dawned, and I woke up. I conveyed the contents of the dream to other people and interpreted it thus: That please God those Marhattas have put on the clothes of men, but in fact will prove to be women. By the favour of God and the aid of His Messenger, on the 8th of the month and the year above mentioned, on the morning of Saturday, I made a surprise attack upon the army of the unbelievers. Advancing with two or three hundred men, I myself penetrated the camp of the unbelievers, crushing them as I went, as far as the tent of Hari Pant Pharkiah, and they all fled like women.

    Dream 26: The expulsion of the English
    The Third Anglo–Mysore War ended in 1792 with the Treaty of Seringapatam, and left Tipu Sultan attempting to rebuild his empire. Although they had not been much help to him, Tipu continued to look on the French as allies and was no doubt encouraged by their increasingly hostile anti-British and pro-invasion policies from 1796 onwards.

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    Dream 26: The expulsion of the English (British Library IO Islamic 3563, f. 12r)

    Translation (Husain, p. 84)

    On the 3rd of the month Razi [month 11], corresponding to the 1st of the month of Shaʻban, 1224 [January 1797], from the birth of Muhammad, on Monday, the night of Tuesday, at the metropolis, in the early hours of the morning, I had a dream: Raghunath Rao, the Marhatta agent, who had been to me before, appeared before me and said, “The English have suffered a crushing defeat in Europe and are now on the verge of leaving Bengal voluntarily.” On hearing his statement, I said, “That is fine, I will despatch troops as well as money; if God wills, the Nazarenes shall be expelled from India.”


    Further reading

    Mahmud Husain, The Dreams of Tipu Sultan: translated from the original Persian with an introduction and notes. Karachi, [1957].
    Beatson, A., A View of the Origin and Conduct of the War with Tippoo Sultaun; comprising a narrative of the operations of the army under command of Lieutenant-General George Harris, and of the siege of Seringapatam. London, 1800
    Mohibbul Hasan Khan, History of Tipu Sultan. Delhi, 1951
    Kirkpatrick, W., Select Letters of Tippoo Sultan to Various Public Functionaries ... London, 1811, especially his notes on the calendar and Mauludi era, pp.xxvi-xxxvii
    Brittlebank, Kate, “Among the Unbelievers: Non-Muslim Elements in Tipu Sultan's Dreams”, South Asia: Journal of South Asian Studies, 33:1 (2010), pp 75-86.
    ––– “Accessing the Unseen Realm: The Historical and Textual Contexts of Tipu Sultan's Dream Register”, Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society 21:2 (2011), pp 159-75.
    Hossein Ziai, “Dreams and dream interpretation: ii. In the Persian tradition”, in Encyclopædia Iranica online.
    Nidhin George Olikara, “Dawn of a new Era: Tipu Sultan and his Mauludi Calendar”, in his blog The Seringapatam Times.

    http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk.../tipu-sultans-dream-book-io-islamic-3563.html

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    Portrait of Tipu Sultan, 1792, by an unnamed south Indian artist (British Library F28)

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    Yasin Sahib, fifth son of Tipu Sultan. Sketch by Thomas Hickey, Seringapatam, 1801

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    Ghulam Ali Khan, Tipu's diwan. Sketch by Thomas Hickey, 1801

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    Mu'izz Ud-Din Sultan, Youngest son of Tipu Sultan. who was delivered up an Hostage to the / Marquis Cornwallis in the Camp Seringapatam on 24 Feb 1792, he is described as being at that time about 8 Years of Age

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    Muizzuidin: 3rd son of Tipu Sultan

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    The Forces of Tipu Sultan break the British square at the Battle of Pollilur Mural at Darya Daulat Bagh

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    Tipu Sultan’s Bangalore summer palace

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    West Front Of Tippoo’s Palace, Bangalore; Aquatint by James Hunter, 1804


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    what was his roots? I heard he was not native of south, his ancestors migrated from Pakistan? @Mian Babban
     
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    He was born in Hindustan and died in Hindustan (most important died for Hindustan).From where Pakistan comes in this??
     
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    not asked for your opinion. ask RSS to believe in what you just said. they are busy in rewriting history against him presenting him as cruel Muslim invader.

    i didnt disputed it, i was asking for his ancestral roots.
     
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    RSS hasn't any authority to rewrite history in India except making any usual statement in reaction. Too much hate is not good for health.
    Whatever RSS or people like Trump do against Muslims , they do in reaction, not in action.
    And I have read somewhere his roots was from Afghanistan.
     
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    Pakistan itself has its roots in India. So this question is moot.
     
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    lets not ruin this thread.. i just want to confirm what i heard.
     
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    Indigenous South Indian but unfortunately Hindi Musalman , plagued with "Ashraf" and "Ajalf" mentality, had to declare him an Arab. They say his family was actually Arab who settled in Afghanistan and Punjab before moving to South India. The ambiguity of his origins, even though he is a 18th century figure, points towards his indigenous roots. There are several hints pointing towards so called 'low' origins of Haider Ali and Tipu. The Nizam of Hyderabad, who were Indianized Turkic people, refused to marry his daughter to Tipu's son, pointing out the low origins of Haider Ali family. If they were really Arabs, Nizam would not have refused such risha from powerful state. Secondly there were people by name of "Nawait" who were descendants of Arabs settled in Malabar. His third wife was a Nawait and she used to annoy him by pointing out that her family is racially superior to Tipu's. On one occasion this Nawait refused to marry their daughter to a cousin of Tipu Sultan, declaring that the latter's family is inferior. So its obvious Tipu's family was not of Arabs roots and were converts from some humble caste of Hindus.
     
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    He was an absolute hero. Without him much of the deep south would have remained foreign to Islam. He overpowered countless Hindu kings and levelled their temples showing that their Gods had deserted them. Lakhs were converted. Malabar changed forever.

    If such campaigns were replicated all over India, a partition would not have been necessary.
     
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    Tipu Sultan was a Dravidian :partay:
    You evil punjabis shouldn't use his name:P