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Time has come to acknowledge that Tibet has vastly improved under Chinese rule

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  1. Raphael

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    https://theprint.in/opinion/time-ha...has-vastly-improved-under-chinese-rule/97172/

    Time has come to acknowledge that Tibet has vastly improved under Chinese rule
    JUSTICE MARKANDEY KATJU (RETD) 12 August, 2018

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    From a terribly poor state hinged on a feudal system, Tibet has modernised and grows faster than the rest of China

    This article has been prompted by Jyoti Malhotra’s article in ThePrint ‘Tibetan government quietly changed its PM’s designation. India won’t be unhappy about it‘.

    China’s annexation of Tibet in 1959, ousting the Dalai Lama, had attracted it worldwide criticism. The Dalai Lama fled and was granted asylum in India, where he set up a government-in-exile with its headquarters in Dharamshala.

    The Chinese claim Tibet on the grounds that it has been part of the country since the Yuan dynasty of the 13th century, which is disputed by the government-in-exile. But let us leave this that matter aside.

    The more important question is whether Chinese rule has benefited Tibet.

    The answer is that it undoubtedly has. As the Reuters’ Ben Blanchard writes: “Today Tibet is richer and more developed than it has ever been, its people healthier, more literate, better dressed and fed”.

    Although Ben goes on to argue that this development masks “a deep sense of unhappiness among many Tibetans”, I will disagree. How can anyone be unhappy if s/he is healthier, better fed and better clothed?

    Under the rule of the Dalai Lamas (Buddhist priests), the people of Tibet were terribly poor, almost entirely illiterate, and lived like feudal serfs.

    Today, Tibet presents a totally different picture. The illiteracy rate in Tibet has gone down from 95 per cent in the 1950s to 42 per cent in 2000. It has modern schools, universities, engineering and medical colleges, modern hospitals, freeways, supermarkets, fast food restaurants, mobile stores and apartment buildings. The capital Lhasa is like any other modern city.

    While the economic growth in the rest of China has slowed down to about 7 per cent, Tibet has had a 10 per cent growth rate in the last two decades.

    Tibet has huge mineral wealth, which was only awaiting Chinese technology to be tapped. Nowadays, it has numerous hydro and solar power plants and industries running with Chinese help.

    Tibetan literature is flourishing, contrary to claims that the Chinese want to crush Tibetan culture.

    Of course, now the lamas cannot treat their people as slaves.

    The so-called ‘government-in-exile’, of which Lobsang Sangay claims to be the President, is a fake organisation, funded by foreign countries. They only want to restore the feudal Tibet, ruled by the reactionary lamas, something which will never happen.
     
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  2. Offshore

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    You bet it is! Even dalai lama want to crawl back from shithole country called india, back to tibet and kissing Xi jinping as s millions times! :enjoy:
     
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  3. FuturePAF

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    While materially better off, the sense of unhappiness may come from a perception of second class citizen status in their own homeland. This combined with a suppression of their religion and culture has some people feeling a lack of identity. The question that should be asked on further study should be which portions of the population feel this way; young versus older, more rural versus those living in Lhasa. Religious Tibetans with non-religious Tibetans.

    China remembers that the so-called peaceful Tibetans had an empire that ruled parts of China, so controlling Tibet and similar buffer regions are a must for powers like China. If China didn't rule Tibet, then India or a western backed local elite would rule it.

    Interview Young men and women, and ask them if can get a good job where they are able to work on merit and mutual respect along side other Chinese. Find out if they can afford a decent home, good food, and modern health care. If their kids can get a good education and if the family has time for social activities. If these issues are met most people are happy.
     
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    India is the right place for Dalai for socio-economic reasons to continue serfdom. Dalai is the right man for India to promote its values.

    Tibet is only growing in Chinese characteristics. Without bombast, bragging, and making 2012 superpower claims.
     
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    China transformed it's Tibet region from being as backward as indian cities like mumbai during the time of the dollar lama to a clean and world class city with top notch transportation network and strong economy under the great leadership of the Chinese government.
     
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    CIA is going to put him and others before him like Chai Ling on the NOT- so- useful list and will stopgive future funding . That's why the old dbag is crawling and begging Chinese leaders to take him home
     
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    Lol... Have you been to Tibet province? Have you been to China? Have you done the things you mentioned above yourself? I guess you have done none of these things, then, you western brainwashed Pakistani should not comment on China.

    At least know something about our minority's lives before give your B.S. above:
    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-gl...minorities-guangxi-xinjiang-tibet-etc.571300/

    And do read my thread about China to see if it fits your imagination:
    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/cars-on-chinas-roads.562160/
    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/seei...hinese-cities-towns-and-villages-like.524372/

    I still laugh to death when indians or whoever come from a shithole call our farmers "cheap labour" while in reality, our farmers live like kings compare to them:
    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/afte...ill-call-chinese-farmers-cheap-labors.564550/
     
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  8. Place Of Space

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    Ordinary Indian Tibetan still live in shithole. :rofl::rofl:
     
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    A rare sight:
    A Pakistani who doesn't seem to be pro-China.
    @PAKISTANFOREVER @Areesh @django @BHarwana @LoveIcon @fitpOsitive @dsr478 @Asimz @RealNapster @LeGenD @Dark-Destroyer @PaklovesTurkiye @PashtunBradar @Indus Pakistan @xyxmt
     
  10. Kai Liu

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    There are numerous China haters in Pakistan, especially those western media brain washed ones... Why are you getting so excited just found one of them?
    BTW, there are also numerous China lovers in india especially those who have been to China.
    I won't be surprised at all to see this kind of people.
     
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  11. sweetgrape

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  12. FuturePAF

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    Nations have interests and alliances. China has proven itself a reliable ally of Pakistan. (when Chinese people are asked about Pakistan, many say our government teaches us Pakistan is our friend). For two nations that on first sight don't seem to have much in common, Pakistan and China have formed an alliance that has survived all kinds of world events. Each saw something in the other that warranted going out on a limb, time after time, and helping each other out when they could have just done what was in their own interests.

    As far as not "seeming pro-China", I am striking the delicate balance of always putting forward Pakistan's interests, while being respectful of what our ally has done for us. Chinese respect hard workers who are honest and upfront with them. The Pakistani people have picked PTI and now want development wholeheartedly. This is the time to be upfront and be willing to ask and learn.

    I just pose the questions many are asking now that we are looking to the Chinese model, but because I have been researching this topic and following along these issues for over 15 years, I am aware of the many pitfalls that have limited the success of other projects, and I'm not afraid to raise them, while respecting the contributions the Chinese have made for Pakistan. We respect ourselves but keep the concerns of our ally in mind. They do the same for us.

    Having said that, this thread asks a question that each Tibetan has to ask themselves. This is fundamentally an issue of realpolitik. The Tibetans were going no where under the Dali Lama, but the older generation knew only that, and it would be hard to make them accept the benefits of integrating into China. Now the younger generation is learning they would do best to develop while they have the chance, and form a stable relationship inside China, beyond that , it is an internal matter of China. my comments were an analysis of what the Tibetans have to think about and in no way meant to be anti-China.

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    Another senior party leader said, “The Chinese have signalled their intent to keep helping Pakistan avoid a crisis, a default.” But he added that Chinese officials have urged their Pakistani counterparts “to take steps to reduce the large deficit”.

    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/ft-p...hinas-financial-backing.572546/#post-10710495

    The Chinese want Pakistan to reform itself, I advocate the same thing.
     
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  13. AViet

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    A lot, if not majority of Vietnamese people are pro-China, and at least this government, led by General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong, is pro-China. The anti-China guys here are mostly oversea Vietnamese, many of them are anti-Vietnam as well.

    Currently we have conflict with China only about marine territory issue, not about other things like culture, religion, institutions etc.
     
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  14. Place Of Space

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    If just talking about culture, religion, institution etc, maybe we are cousins.
     
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    Is there any documentary about the lives of Tibetans in India? I am sure they are very unhappy.
     
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