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Tibet's GDP grows about 7 percent in 2021, Per captia GDP close to $9,000USD

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can someone interview a average Tibetan and ask them is this way they wanted ?

because those people like to live simple lives in the mountains

maybe they dont want mobiles and TV maybe they like their freedom and democracy more ?

maybe they dont want high speed railway maybe they are happy to travel on horses and donkeys

just because GDP has increased does not mean they are better off

But I think most Tibetans are wondering why won’t you admit that you are an Indian. Your posts are no different than how Indians would post here. And no Pakistani would post like you. You are clearly a Indian. But you put Pakistani colors on your avatar. why are you trying to deceive people here?
 

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But I think most Tibetans are wondering why won’t you admit that you are an Indian. Your posts are no different than how Indians would post here. And no Pakistani would post like you. You are clearly a Indian. But you put Pakistani colors on your avatar. why are you trying to deceive people here?

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can someone interview a average Tibetan and ask them is this way they wanted ?

because those people like to live simple lives in the mountains

maybe they dont want mobiles and TV maybe they like their freedom and democracy more ?

maybe they dont want high speed railway maybe they are happy to travel on horses and donkeys

just because GDP has increased does not mean they are better off
The "thinktank" has started to think again, gent, how old are you, talking about freedom and demo to an old serfdom Tibet?

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Tibetans had their arms cut off for even looking at their upper masters and chained by the neck outside in the freezing cold with no arms. Then Chinese liberated them. China should have changed Tibetan culture 800 years ago to be honest not just recently. It is the most brutal and unfair culture in the world.

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Tibetans had their arms cut off for even looking at their upper masters and chained by the neck outside in the freezing cold with no arms. Then Chinese liberated them. China should have changed Tibetan culture 800 years ago to be honest not just recently. It is the most brutal and unfair culture in the world.

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They also had a upper caste system like in India?

The fact that you claim to be Pakistani but post like Indians is the topic…. Why are you hiding your Indian heritage and pretend to be an Pakistani is what this forum wants to know.
he'll give you a negative rating lol...
 

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can someone interview a average Tibetan and ask them is this way they wanted ?

because those people like to live simple lives in the mountains

maybe they dont want mobiles and TV maybe they like their freedom and democracy more ?

maybe they dont want high speed railway maybe they are happy to travel on horses and donkeys

just because GDP has increased does not mean they are better off
There are many Tibetan vloggers have their youtube channels and post their everyday life, why don't you just ask themselves?

 

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They also had a upper caste system like in India?
Tibet Was No Shangri-La Under The Rule of the Dalai Lamas; It Was 'Hell On Earth' Before Revolution | Dailycensored.com

Tibet was a feudal society before the revolutionary changes that started in 1949. There were two main classes: the serfs and the aristocratic serf owners. The people lived like serfs in Europe Dark Ages or like African slaves and sharecroppers of the U.S. South.

Tibetan serfs scratched barley harvest from the hard earth with wooden plows and sickles. Goats, sheep and yaks were raised for milk, butter, cheese and meat. The aristocratic and monastery masters owned the people, the land and most of the animals. They forced the serfs to hand over most grain and demanded all kinds of forced labor (called ulag). Among the serfs, both men and women participated in hard labor, including ulag. The scattered nomadic peoples of Tibet barren western highlands were also owned by lords and lamas.

The Dalai Lama older brother Thubten Jigme Norbu claims that in the lamaist social order, There is no class system and the mobility from class to class makes any class prejudice impossible.But the whole existence of this religious order was based on a rigid and brutal class system.

Serfs were treated like despised the way Black people were treated in the Jim Crow South. Serfs could not use the same seats, vocabulary or eating utensils as serf owners. Even touching one of the master belongings could be punished by whipping. The masters and serfs were so distant from each other that in much of Tibet they spoke different languages.

It was the custom for a serf to kneel on all fours so his master could step on his back to mount a horse. Tibet scholar A. Tom Grunfeld describes how one ruling class girl routinely had servants carry her up and down stairs just because she was lazy. Masters often rode on their serfs backs across streams.

The only thing worse than a serf in Tibet was a slave who had no right to even grow a few crops for themselves. These slaves were often starved, beaten and worked to death. A master could turn a serf into a slave any time he wanted. Children were routinely bought and sold in Tibet capital, Lhasa. About 5 percent of the Tibetan people were counted as chattel slaves. And at least another 10 percent were poor monks who were really in robes.

The lamaist system tried to prevent any escape. Runaway slaves couldn't just set up free farms in the vast empty lands. Former serfs explained to revolutionary writer Anna Louise Strong that before liberation, You could not live in Tibet without a master. Anyone might pick you up as an outlaw unless you had a legal owner.

Born Female Proof of Past Sins?

The Dalai Lama writes, In Tibet there was no special discrimination against women.The Dalai Lamas authorized biographer Robert Hicks argues that Tibetan women were content with their status and influenced their husbands.But in Tibet, being born a woman was considered a punishment for (sinful) behavior in a previous life. The word for woman in old Tibet, kiemen, meant inferior birth.Women were told to pray, May I reject a feminine body and be reborn a male one.

Lamaist superstition associated women with evil and sin. It was said among ten women you'll find nine devils.Anything women touched was considered tainted so all kinds of taboos were placed on women. Women were forbidden to handle medicine. Han Suyin reports, No woman was allowed to touch a lamas belongings, nor could she raise a wall, or the wall will fall.A widow was a despicable being, already a devil. No woman was allowed to use iron instruments or touch iron. Religion forbade her to lift her eyes above the knee of a man, as serfs and slaves were not allowed to life the eyes upon the face of the nobles or great lamas.

Monks of the major sects of Tibetan Buddhism rejected sexual intimacy (or even contact) with women, as part of their plan to be holy. Before the revolution, no woman had ever set foot in most monasteries or the palaces of the Dalai Lama.

There are reports of women being burned for giving birth to twins and for practicing the pre-Buddhist traditional religion (called Bon). Twins were considered proof that a woman had mated with an evil spirit. The rituals and folk medicine of Bon were considered witchcraft.Like in other feudal societies, upperclass women were sold into arranged marriages. Custom allowed a husband to cut off the tip of his wifes nose if he discovered she had slept with someone else. The patriarchal practices included polygyny, where a wealthy man could have many wives; and polyandry, where in land-poor noble families one woman was forced to be wife to several brothers.

Among the lower classes, family life was similar to slavery in the U.S. South. (See The Life of a Tibetan Slave.) Serfs could not marry or leave the estate without the masters permission. Masters transferred serfs from one estate to another at will, breaking up serf families forever. Rape of women serfs was common under the ulag system, a lord could demand temporary wives.
 

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What particular circumstances are limiting Gansu and Yunnan?

Tibet is only the third poorest province in China, and two provinces are poorer than Tibet. Because the central govt gives subsidies to Tibetans in order to reduce the loss of population in Tibet(Tibetans like to move to the eastern provinces), So Yunnan and Gansu provinces are poorer than Tibet, Yunnan and Gansu people have no subsidies.
Yunnan Province is full of mountains and virgin forests, and the transportation is particularly underdeveloped. Most roads in Yunnan Province are like this.
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Gansu Province is short of water. It is the province with the most lack of water resources per capita in China, so it is not suitable for the development of agriculture. Gansu Province also lacks other resources, no minerals, no business routes, no tourism resources and so on, Gansu even has a small population, so it's hard to attract investment here.
The per capita GDP of Gansu is about 8000 US dollars and that of Yunnan is about 8500 US dollars.
 
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The poorest are Gansu and Yunnan provinces, not Tibet.
I mean total GDP, Tibet is the bottom last by a huge margin, per capita wise Tibet is the 3rd last, one reason is because Chinese central government heavy subsidy, another is that Tibet barely has any people and this is the reason many people argue why China puts in billions to build world top class high speed railway in that very sparsely populated region.
 

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can someone interview a average Tibetan and ask them is this way they wanted ?

because those people like to live simple lives in the mountains

maybe they dont want mobiles and TV maybe they like their freedom and democracy more ?

maybe they dont want high speed railway maybe they are happy to travel on horses and donkeys

just because GDP has increased does not mean they are better off
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What particular circumstances are limiting Gansu and Yunnan?
Gansu is currently the poorest province in China, due to multiple reasons such as geographical, terrain, climate, and other reasons, from the video below by an Indian student studying in China, you can notice it is significantly poorer than other Chinese provinces:
But it is not too bad, as the infrastructure is already there, such as HSR, etc. It is a matter of time for the inner land provinces to reach the level of coastal regions:
 

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Gansu is currently the poorest province in China, due to multiple reasons such as geographical, terrain, climate, and other reasons, from the video below by an Indian student studying in China, you can notice it is significantly poorer than other Chinese provinces:
But it is not too bad, as the infrastructure is already there, such as HSR, etc. It is a matter of time for the inner land provinces to reach the level of coastal regions:
Is the cost of labor considerably lower in these provinces as compared to coastal provinces? What incentives do investors have that would make them move their factories to Gansu and away from the coast?

IMHO, if Pakistan and China find a way to build the Khunjerab Railway, it would make transporting goods and resources to and from the Middle East and Africa competitive with shipping all the way around to the Chinese coast. Then factories in areas of Xinjiang, Tibet, and Gansu could make products for the European market to be shipped via the rail corridor to Europe as well as back to the Middle East and Africa via the same Sino-Pak Direct Railway.

Otherwise, China would have to keep subsidizing these inland provinces. It wouldn’t be natural to expect these provinces to become as rich as the coastal regions (without subsidy) unless major natural resources were discovered there. Perhaps they can become in a few decades as good as coastal regions are today.
 

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