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THUNDER STRIKES IN MANY FORMS

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  1. Gryphon

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    The PAC/Chengdu JF-17 Thunder has not just worked wonders for the tactical needs of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), it has jump started the country’s aerospace industry. When building an aircraft, it is not only about creating the infrastructure – that’s the easy part. Educating and training a work force in the necessary skills is even more important.

    Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra has been building the JF-17 at its AMF (Aircraft Manufacturing Company) since 2007. Over ten years later, more than 100 have now been delivered.

    Five operational squadrons are flying the JF-17 – Nos. 2, 14, 16, 26 and 28, with No 2 Squadron taking on the anti-shipping role courtesy of its new Chinese built C802AK missile. The JF-17 Combat Commanders’ School, which could be described as running national ‘Top Gun’ courses, started its first class in July 2015. Another operational squadron will stand up next year. Today the JF-17 Block 3 is waiting for a decision on the new AESA (Airborne Electronically Scanned Array) radar and production is expected to start next year.

    The first two-seat JF-17B version arrived in Pakistan earlier this year and is now being evaluated by the JF-17 test and evaluation unit at PAF Base Minhas. There are thought to be three initial two-seaters, one for AVIC (Aviation Industry Corporation of China) and two for the Pakistan Air Force. A second is expected to arrive in Pakistan next year. The inclusion of a two-seater in the testing and development programme, will speed up the integration of more weapons according to CATIC (China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation). This isn’t necessarily for the Pakistan Air Force but for an export customer, neither PAF or CATIC have ever officially acknowledged.

    A two-seater serving the PAF will allow pilots to move from any of the PAF’s fighters or even straight from the PAF Academy, without having first go to the F-16. This is the procedure currently underway because the PAF wants its pilots to fly a high performance jet before getting into the JF-17.

    With the PAF know-how and the Chinese technological wizardry helping to shape the Thunder, it is heading into tactical capabilities that pioneers of the jet could only have dreamt of. As such, the export market is likely to be play a bigger part in the JF-17’s success. To get there, it will need the continued drive and vision of both Pakistan and China - great allies who trust each other implicitly.

    https://asianmilitaryreview.com/2018/12/show-daily-news-from-ideas-2018-day-3/




    AESA RADAR WILL EXTEND BLOCK 3 JF-17 CAPABILITY

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    With over 100 Block JF-17s built, attention is now being switched to the production of the more capable Block 3 jets. After starting production in 2008, PAC Kamra manufactures 58 percent of the JF-17 Thunder, while Chengdu Aircraft Corporation builds the remainder. The JF-17 Thunder started life as the Super-7 in the late-80s, but sanctions by the US and its allies delayed development of the aircraft for over a decade. That was until the decision was made by the late Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir in 2000 to decouple the development of the avionics from production of the airframe.

    With contracts for 50 Block 1 and 50 plus 12 Block 2s signed and almost delivered, attention is now being switched to a contract for 50 Block 3s. With production of the Block 3 being delayed until 2019, while the PAF searched for a new AESA radar, PAC opted to manufacture an 14 additional Block 2s this year to ensure production does not halt at the PAC’s Aircraft Manufacturing Factory.

    A decision on a new AESA radar for the Block 3s is expected to be made by the end of the year. There are now two Chinese contenders: one is the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology KLJ-7A being marketed by China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC). The second one, which was displayed at Zhuhai Air Show, China, in November by Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute (LETRI) is a new air-cooling AESA known as the LKF601E. CATIC has thrown its weight behind this option and claim that not only is it the first air-cooled radar, but replacing the JF-17’s original KLJ-7 is simply a case of taking out the old system and inserting the new one. Both radars are being evaluated by the PAF.

    Another improvement over the Block 1 and 2s is an air-to-air refuelling system. Trials and qualifications of a new Chinese inflight refuelling system, saw the first aircraft, Block 2 No. 29 being fitted in mid-2017.

    Block 3 enhancements will include new avionics, better electronic warfare systems, increased payload and more sophisticated weapons. It will be the ultimate JF-17 and with an AESA radar, will have the capability to employ longer range weapons and track multiple aircraft.

    https://asianmilitaryreview.com/2018/12/show-daily-news-from-ideas-2018-day-2/
     
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  2. salman-1

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    There's no Raad, so it confirms its not on strike menu.
     
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    Can carry two.
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    Sir its on the plan chart. But Raad not integrated yet. The chart also doesn't say it's Raad. It shows the option on that point for a fit to size cruise missile, but doesn't specify which one. Raad is bigger

    Remaining weapons are mentioned with thier names. Dedicated for those points
     
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    ain't that 300+ km range cruise missile?
    no one is supposed to export missiles of those ranges...
     
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    not yet.
     
  7. Taimoor Khan

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    Who told you that.
     
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    They were working on the software integration but no confirmation on whether progress; plus the size is a challenge as well; side by side is a possibility.
     
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    Other day told you thunder can carry 2 RA'AD. Why do you ask same question 30 times?
     
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    You don't sound as dismissive as you were in your last reply.
     
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    that is why i said not yet. You confirm if everything is complete including a test launch. The challenge is size. not enough clearance plus MIL bus is very different.
     
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    Jf-17 can carry and fire RA'AD since a long time.

    Jf-17 block 1 could carry RA'AD. and it was the first missile integrated on the jet. RA'AD has multiple variants now. The range of RA'AD has also been extended.

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    Jf-17 can carry GB-6 which is sat guided glide bomb. GB-6 is more bigger and heavier than RAAD.

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  13. salman-1

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    When Did I ask you sir. Raad if ever integrated will be displayed or will be confirmed by Paf. The chart Windjammer Shb has displayed states the real status till now of what's on the menu of thunder.

    The picture you show is a sujjested photo shop of thunder to be equipped. The one picture shows carrying two Raad on wings. The other shows dropping Raad from centre line, which is not possible with present size of Raad for thunder. I doubt both are not made possible till now.
     
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    Raad ALCM is carried by Mirages.
     
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    Other day two member told you Jf-17 has a RAAD pay load. Now why RAAD is not displayed in jf-17 munition is because RAAD cannot be sold as it is a nuclear capable cruise missile which exceeds the allowed range of weapons sales. No country can sell such weapons and if some country want such weapon it has to develop them so RAAD will never be displayed in international exhibitions. RAAD was only displayed in ideas 2008 after that missile was taken away from there as well. The current status of RAAD is fully classified so you will not probably see it much only if a newer version is tested you might get a glimps of it.
     
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