This to Generals for this !

[One_Nation]

To answer your question about the Police doing at my house what they did at Imran Khan's house, I being a Karachiitte would either have been shot dead by some LEA or would have been booked and sentenced by the Court if I had done 10% of what Imran Khan has done. Matter of fact, even Altaf Hussain at the prime of his power would have been shot dead. But all that is most likely because of the domicile.

Coming back to rule of law, there is no point in arguing. Non bailable arrest warrants were issued for an absconder and any other accused would have been arrested but Imran Khan being Imran Khan, ensured that he had hundreds/thousands of his supporters taking law in their own hands, setting police vans on fire, throwing petrol bombs at police along with other dangerous projectiles etc. Was that all legal?

Ever stop to think what could possibly have turned Bajwa against Imran? I mean, after all Imran has himself admitted that he was merely a pawn and that Bajwa was calling the shots. So what happened really? Just think about it for a moment, I mean Imran Khan has also accepted that he was even willing to give Bajwa an indefinite extension.....so what really happened which was so severe that the establishment decided to sever ties with Imran Khan after putting all that massive effort of manpower and years of hard work to ensure Imran Khan comes to power; what could have happened which was so horrific for the country that the Military had to decide that Imran Khan was 'dangerous' for the country? Think about it for a moment.

I have thought about it and people have been thinking about it for decades. It still means generals like Bajwa have committed treason punishable by death and also deceived the nation.
IK, by accepting generals hegemony which was established way before he came to power does not even make him a criminal in any court neither did he deceive people. Whether he did enough to put chaprasi generals in their place or not is a matter for people to judge him on in elections and not anyone else including courts.

 

[Imran Khan]

لال قلعے پر پاکستانی پرچم لہرانے والے فوجی آجکل زمان پارک پر اپنا پرچم لہرانے کے لیے مرے جا رہے ہیں

 

[Mav3rick]

I have thought about it and people have been thinking about it for decades. It still means generals like Bajwa have committed treason punishable by death and also deceived the nation.
IK, by accepting generals hegemony which was established way before he came to power does not even make him a criminal in any court neither did he deceive people. Whether he did enough to put chaprasi generals in their place or not is a matter for people to judge him on in elections and not anyone else including courts.

You have not even begun to understand the meaning of the word which you and many others flaunt daily. Bajwa may have committed illegal acts but he did not subvert the constitution and did not commit treason. Imran Khan grabbed and jumped into the Military's lap starting even before Raheel Sharif and continued until Bajwa dumped him. For his sake, Imran Khan would have made Bajwa the Army Chief for life if only Bajwa had allowed Imran Khan to continue to sit on the PM chair.

Imran Khan even today is crying about the incumbent not willing to meet him and even today expects the establishment to start helping him. But the saddest thing is, he is able to deceive you and millions of others, which is his true achievement.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You have not even begun to understand the meaning of the word which you and many others flaunt daily. Bajwa may have committed illegal acts but he did not subvert the constitution and did not commit treason. Imran Khan grabbed and jumped into the Military's lap starting even before Raheel Sharif and continued until Bajwa dumped him. For his sake, Imran Khan would have made Bajwa the Army Chief for life if only Bajwa had allowed Imran Khan to continue to sit on the PM chair.

Imran Khan even today is crying about the incumbent not willing to meet him and even today expects the establishment to start helping him. But the saddest thing is, he is able to deceive you and millions of others, which is his true achievement.

Agreed. Which is why we always need to have the zardaris/bhuttos and the not-so-sharrifs in power in Pakistan because they are the most honest and best leaders ever............

 

[Imran Khan]

*اداروں کی عزت نہیں، ذمہ داریاں ہوتی ہیں* *عزت قوم کی ہوتی ہے جِس کے ٹیکس پر ادارے قائم ہوتے ہیں* فوج اور عدلیہ ادارے ہیں انکی عزت نہیں ذمہ داریاں ہیں لہذا ادارے اپنی توہین توہین والا کھیل بند کریں اور عوام کیلیے عملی مثبت کام کریں جس کیلیے عوام نے آپکو اپنے ٹیکسوں سے پالا ہوا ہے

 

[Mav3rick]

Agreed. Which is why we always need to have the zardaris/bhuttos and the not-so-sharrifs in power in Pakistan because they are the most honest and best leaders ever............

Again, you fail to understand.

Factually, anyone who is opposing Imran Khan or refuting certain claims is not automatically a supporter of the opposition. The by-default relation is neither coherent nor applicable.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Again, you fail to understand.

Factually, anyone who is opposing Imran Khan or refuting certain claims is not automatically a supporter of the opposition. The by-default relation is neither coherent nor applicable.

So what is the way forward then?

 

[Mav3rick]

So what is the way forward then?

Now you ask me the toughest question to which I have no answer.

Ideally, all the political forces should converge on common goals and forget vendettas and personal agendas. Find the way forward but form strategies for high priority items. Economy should be the primary focus, then building of state institutions by making them independent, autonomous, strong and accountable for their actions to ensure that all institutions remain within their legal ambit.

 

[One_Nation]

You have not even begun to understand the meaning of the word which you and many others flaunt daily. Bajwa may have committed illegal acts but he did not subvert the constitution and did not commit treason. Imran Khan grabbed and jumped into the Military's lap starting even before Raheel Sharif and continued until Bajwa dumped him. For his sake, Imran Khan would have made Bajwa the Army Chief for life if only Bajwa had allowed Imran Khan to continue to sit on the PM chair.

Imran Khan even today is crying about the incumbent not willing to meet him and even today expects the establishment to start helping him. But the saddest thing is, he is able to deceive you and millions of others, which is his true achievement.

Nope, you lack basic understanding of laws and constitution. There is no provision of "illegal acts" by army in constitution that includes sabotaging democracy, parliament, holding judiciary hostage, political engineering and a lot more. All of this is treason punishable by death.
There is no such thing as "jumped into military's lap" in the eyes of law if IK did that. That doesn't make IK a traitor or even guilty of breaking any law. He can call for meeting with anyone including current chief chaprasi.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Well, we are still not at the end of the run yet. Things have yet to unfold, next year by this time we might have witnessed a few surprises or shocks depending on the side of politics one is.

So the 12 graders want more humiliation. Unless pak has financial stamina. Things won't go till next year.

 

[ziaulislam]

The army has removed its own, bypassing chain of command when necessary. Yahya Khan removed Ayub Khan. The establishment was involved in Zia Ul Haq's death. Kayani pressured Musharraf to relinquish power. Please feel free to add more examples.

There are no excuses. Chain of command constitutionally starts with the president. If tomorrow, COAS were to sign an agreement to hand AJK or Gilgit to India, should army follow chain of command and let that happen?

Actually in all these cases it was USA(mushi Zia ul Haq)
in case of ayub it was people throwing stones for 4 years

Nope, you lack basic understanding of laws and constitution. There is no provision of "illegal acts" by army in constitution that includes sabotaging democracy, parliament, holding judiciary hostage, political engineering and a lot more. All of this is treason punishable by death.
There is no such thing as "jumped into military's lap" in the eyes of law if IK did that. That doesn't make IK a traitor or even guilty of breaking any law. He can call for meeting with anyone including current chief chaprasi.

Let see what IK does when he comes to power

 

[Thevilone]

پہلے نعرے لگتے تھے



Now,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1637230974818713603

The BGM reminds me of this song by the rapper Naezy against the government.

 

[NA71]

huge damage to institution as whole. They still think that things will get back to previous course but reality is quite different .... i have seen people openly calling them .....what you can not even imagine couple of months ago.

 

[PakFactor]

Even the common solider getting abuse due to their top leaders.

It's not surprising. I'm more surprised at the person who's surprised this is happening.

The reaction you are seeing is anger and it'll continue unless we do the course correction.

However, I do believe the reputational damage to the institution is done. They've done what India couldn't do in 75 years.

 

[AlKardai]

It's not surprising. I'm more surprised at the person who's surprised this is happening.

The reaction you are seeing is anger and it'll continue unless we do the course correction.

with the course correction being?