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I just saw the spread rate in the US, Trump screwed big time by wasting valuable weeks with denying that the virus even exists. And then couple more weeks with downplaying it.

It looks like to be the first country to surpass China even before Italy in a matter of hours, thats just crazy, UK following the same path. Once again we can see the effects of people in charge whose IQ is below the room temperature...
 
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I just saw the spread rate in the US, Trump screwed big time by wasting valuable weeks with denying that the virus even exists. And then couple more weeks with downplaying it.

It looks like to be the first country to surpass China even before Italy in a matter of hours, thats just crazy, UK following the same path. Once again we can see the effects of people in charge whose IQ is below room the temperature...
He is the same guy who says Global Warming is FAKE. :lol:
 

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No shit. Why did you post this depressing stuff here?
In my culture when someone dies they take the body to the burial ground with music which is called as "paraioli"....so even if you are say a km away you can still hear the sound of the procession ...this video is the "paraioli"... its a km away here in india and its getting louder by the hour.

 

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There were words that 100million people will get infected in america alone and that was when the cases were not even 100 in USA. So they knew something and did not let it slip. Intentionally not testing and containing people. Not isolating the travellers.

So they want to go for herd immunity at the expense of a few million people dying. Its like they want as many people to get infected as they can and then bring in the isolation or cure what ever suits the business interest.

Price will only rise if the scare is bigger
 

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This Indonesian who live in USA cannot get Covid 19 test although he got possibility to get it from conference that he attended (one of the participant is positive covid 19) and have had flu symptomp. Similar experience also happen with American actor who were interviewed by CNN just 2 days ago.

Listen at minute 1.58 when he called hospital to get the test and then get rejected. The ones who will get tested are old people and people who are suffering from serious disease. So the number of Covid 19 infection in USA is far from the reality.

 

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Trump screwed big time by wasting valuable weeks with denying that the virus even exists.
What he called a hoax was the media saying his administration is doing nothing...that too after he put the travel ban from China early (much earlier than most countries did)

Media of course distorted it to say he was calling the virus a hoax.

Trump to me has lot of problems and issues like any president/leader....but we have to keep the criticisms well reasoned imo.

And then couple more weeks with downplaying it.
Again that's the media take on it. The goof up mostly lay with the CDC/FDA bureaucracy regarding the faulty first test's reagent (even though a quick fix was found by local labs).

It looks like to be the first country to surpass China
I would trust China's numbers as far as I could throw Mr. Winnie the Poo. They kicked out US media journalists from China (including HK) completely for a reason...as much as they fight Trump back and forth, Trump criticized that decision by China severely.

They aren't even really testing anymore and have used co-morbiditiy to pass of deaths as non-covid (compared to other countries where they would count as covid related death in comparison)...all part of narrative to construct that the lockdown had a major brake effect...thanks to glorious CCP.

The big (more independent/neutral) remote sensing data on all of this will only come much later, esp as more information chains within china are opened up (i.e info flow in wechat between families regd their casualties etc and survey sampling there).

Going by US being 5 - 6 times the population of the average large developed+similarly transparent european/western country (italy, france, UK etc) sometimes even 10 times larger (like with Spain and Canada)...they aren't doing too different from average rearding caseload prevalence and mortality etc...especially if you factor in their high migration prevalence + travel rates from the entire world.

Most of the spike in US right now is basically the test rate catching up with previous undetected cases. Its why the mortality rate is pretty low (say compared to Italy which has the much trumpeted socialised healthcare model).

If we compare total deaths, US compares fine with western world overall....in fact the US total case number probably illustrates a better "actual" frontier for many countries with the same total death range, given its ramped up testing given its scale and resource (whereas other countries have to prioritise treating existing cases more like here in Canada):

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

US (right now afternoon of 26th march) is 1163 deaths, new deaths being 136 and caseload being around 80,000.

Compare with France which has 1700 deaths, new deaths (assuming same sample rate of time as US) of 365 and caseload being around 30,000.

One would think France actual caseload would be far higher than 100,000....they just havent detected them yet. Same with Spain and especially with Italy (there is no way a 10% mortality rate makes sense...there is just huge undetected cases out there)

It's also somewhat the net difference between closing down travel from the original hotspot China earlier in US case compared to France (just as an example)...at this downstream sampling+analysis time.


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What he called a hoax was the media saying his administration is doing nothing...that too after he put the travel ban from China early (much earlier than most countries did)

Media of course distorted it to say he was calling the virus a hoax.

Trump to me has lot of problems and issues like any president/leader....but we have to keep the criticisms well reasoned imo.



Again that's the media take on it. The goof up mostly lay with the CDC/FDA bureaucracy regarding the faulty first test's reagent (even though a quick fix was found by local labs).



I would trust China's numbers as far as I could throw Mr. Winnie the Poo. They kicked out US media journalists from China (including HK) completely for a reason...as much as they fight Trump back and forth, Trump criticized that decision by China severely.

They aren't even really testing anymore and have used co-morbiditiy to pass of deaths as non-covid (compared to other countries where they would count as covid related death in comparison)...all part of narrative to construct that the lockdown had a major brake effect...thanks to glorious CCP.

The big (more independent/neutral) remote sensing data on all of this will only come much later, esp as more information chains within china are opened up (i.e info flow in wechat between families regd their casualties etc and survey sampling there).

Going by US being 5 - 6 times the population of the average large developed+similarly transparent european/western country (italy, france, UK etc) sometimes even 10 times larger (like with Spain and Canada)...they aren't doing too different from average rearding caseload prevalence and mortality etc...especially if you factor in their high migration prevalence + travel rates from the entire world.

Most of the spike in US right now is basically the test rate catching up with previous undetected cases. Its why the mortality rate is pretty low (say compared to Italy which has the much trumpeted socialised healthcare model).

If we compare total deaths, US compares fine with western world overall....in fact the US total case number probably illustrates a better "actual" frontier for many countries with the same total death range, given its ramped up testing given its scale and resource (whereas other countries have to prioritise treating existing cases more like here in Canada):

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

US (right now afternoon of 26th march) is 1163 deaths, new deaths being 136 and caseload being around 80,000.

Compare with France which has 1700 deaths, new deaths (assuming same sample rate of time as US) of 365 and caseload being around 30,000.

One would think France actual caseload would be far higher than 100,000....they just havent detected them yet. Same with Spain and especially with Italy (there is no way a 10% mortality rate makes sense...there is just huge undetected cases out there)

It's also somewhat the net difference between closing down travel from the original hotspot China earlier in US case compared to France (just as an example)...at this downstream sampling+analysis time.


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The number of “silent carriers” – people who are infected by the new coronavirus
but show delayed or no symptoms – could be as high as one-third of those who test positive, according to classified Chinese government data seen by the South China Morning Post.

That could further complicate the strategies being used by countries to contain the virus, which has infected
more than 300,000 people and killed more than 14,000 globally.

More than 43,000 people in China had tested positive for Covid-19 by the end of February but had no immediate symptoms, a condition typically known as asymptomatic, according to the data. They were placed in quarantine and monitored but were not included in the official tally of confirmed cases, which stood at about 80,000 at the time.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...virus-cases-may-be-silent-carriers-classified


China's "official" numbers are absolute horses**t.
 

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What he called a hoax was the media saying his administration is doing nothing...that too after he put the travel ban from China early (much earlier than most countries did)

Media of course distorted it to say he was calling the virus a hoax.
I have mixed feelings on Trump allegedly downplaying of the Coronavirus threat. I do know that he faces a very hostile media and outside of his supporters in a few countries like India and his Conservative base, he's constantly lynched. Too early for me to conclusively judge him on the Coronavirus preparedness. Honestly. At this point, its more negative toward him.

But here is an interesting related account: My neighbor Kevin, who is a very smart person and is a staunch Democrat, often comes over to my place for Desi food, some other goodies, and chats, had called Trump's response as Trumps's 'Katarina Moment', alluding to G.W.Bush's handling of Katarina. But a few days later, Kevin was fuming at Trump's Approval Rating actually shooting up because of his handling of C.Virus. Kevin called America 'the dumbest country in the world!'. Hmmm.

I try to resist my biases of party politics, especially in matters like C.Virus.
 

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What he called a hoax was the media saying his administration is doing nothing...that too after he put the travel ban from China early (much earlier than most countries did)

Media of course distorted it to say he was calling the virus a hoax.

Trump to me has lot of problems and issues like any president/leader....but we have to keep the criticisms well reasoned imo.



Again that's the media take on it. The goof up mostly lay with the CDC/FDA bureaucracy regarding the faulty first test's reagent (even though a quick fix was found by local labs).



I would trust China's numbers as far as I could throw Mr. Winnie the Poo. They kicked out US media journalists from China (including HK) completely for a reason...as much as they fight Trump back and forth, Trump criticized that decision by China severely.

They aren't even really testing anymore and have used co-morbiditiy to pass of deaths as non-covid (compared to other countries where they would count as covid related death in comparison)...all part of narrative to construct that the lockdown had a major brake effect...thanks to glorious CCP.

The big (more independent/neutral) remote sensing data on all of this will only come much later, esp as more information chains within china are opened up (i.e info flow in wechat between families regd their casualties etc and survey sampling there).

Going by US being 5 - 6 times the population of the average large developed+similarly transparent european/western country (italy, france, UK etc) sometimes even 10 times larger (like with Spain and Canada)...they aren't doing too different from average rearding caseload prevalence and mortality etc...especially if you factor in their high migration prevalence + travel rates from the entire world.

Most of the spike in US right now is basically the test rate catching up with previous undetected cases. Its why the mortality rate is pretty low (say compared to Italy which has the much trumpeted socialised healthcare model).

If we compare total deaths, US compares fine with western world overall....in fact the US total case number probably illustrates a better "actual" frontier for many countries with the same total death range, given its ramped up testing given its scale and resource (whereas other countries have to prioritise treating existing cases more like here in Canada):

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

US (right now afternoon of 26th march) is 1163 deaths, new deaths being 136 and caseload being around 80,000.

Compare with France which has 1700 deaths, new deaths (assuming same sample rate of time as US) of 365 and caseload being around 30,000.

One would think France actual caseload would be far higher than 100,000....they just havent detected them yet. Same with Spain and especially with Italy (there is no way a 10% mortality rate makes sense...there is just huge undetected cases out there)

It's also somewhat the net difference between closing down travel from the original hotspot China earlier in US case compared to France (just as an example)...at this downstream sampling+analysis time.


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I dont know man looks pretty unresponsible to me.

The US wasnt really taking any serious precautions when Europe was already knee deep in it, US has extensive Airtravel with Asia and Europe so it was only a matter of time, i wonder what made them think they are safe over there.
So the point of wasted time still stands if you ask me.
 

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There is nothing scary here. That is how ER rooms look like all the time.

I just saw the spread rate in the US, Trump screwed big time by wasting valuable weeks with denying that the virus even exists. And then couple more weeks with downplaying it.

It looks like to be the first country to surpass China even before Italy in a matter of hours, thats just crazy, UK following the same path. Once again we can see the effects of people in charge whose IQ is below the room temperature...
We are blessed that US is being led by Trump.
 

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What he called a hoax was the media saying his administration is doing nothing...that too after he put the travel ban from China early (much earlier than most countries did)

Media of course distorted it to say he was calling the virus a hoax.

Trump to me has lot of problems and issues like any president/leader....but we have to keep the criticisms well reasoned imo.



Again that's the media take on it. The goof up mostly lay with the CDC/FDA bureaucracy regarding the faulty first test's reagent (even though a quick fix was found by local labs).



I would trust China's numbers as far as I could throw Mr. Winnie the Poo. They kicked out US media journalists from China (including HK) completely for a reason...as much as they fight Trump back and forth, Trump criticized that decision by China severely.

They aren't even really testing anymore and have used co-morbiditiy to pass of deaths as non-covid (compared to other countries where they would count as covid related death in comparison)...all part of narrative to construct that the lockdown had a major brake effect...thanks to glorious CCP.

The big (more independent/neutral) remote sensing data on all of this will only come much later, esp as more information chains within china are opened up (i.e info flow in wechat between families regd their casualties etc and survey sampling there).

Going by US being 5 - 6 times the population of the average large developed+similarly transparent european/western country (italy, france, UK etc) sometimes even 10 times larger (like with Spain and Canada)...they aren't doing too different from average rearding caseload prevalence and mortality etc...especially if you factor in their high migration prevalence + travel rates from the entire world.

Most of the spike in US right now is basically the test rate catching up with previous undetected cases. Its why the mortality rate is pretty low (say compared to Italy which has the much trumpeted socialised healthcare model).

If we compare total deaths, US compares fine with western world overall....in fact the US total case number probably illustrates a better "actual" frontier for many countries with the same total death range, given its ramped up testing given its scale and resource (whereas other countries have to prioritise treating existing cases more like here in Canada):

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

US (right now afternoon of 26th march) is 1163 deaths, new deaths being 136 and caseload being around 80,000.

Compare with France which has 1700 deaths, new deaths (assuming same sample rate of time as US) of 365 and caseload being around 30,000.

One would think France actual caseload would be far higher than 100,000....they just havent detected them yet. Same with Spain and especially with Italy (there is no way a 10% mortality rate makes sense...there is just huge undetected cases out there)

It's also somewhat the net difference between closing down travel from the original hotspot China earlier in US case compared to France (just as an example)...at this downstream sampling+analysis time.


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So just for transparency's sake, it's kind of a mixed bag of if Trump called the entire virus situation a hoax.

While it's TRUE that trump didn't directly call the coronavirus a hoax, he did down play it heavily and compared it to the common cold. Here's a snopes article about it...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

I'd liken the situation to it being a difference without a distinction, because in the end, the results wouldn't change, no matter which of the two narratives is true.
 

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