• Wednesday, September 18, 2019

There have been at least 19 deadly mass shootings in the US so far in 2019

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Omar Al-Deek, Sep 11, 2019.

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  1. Omar Al-Deek

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    Even worse than the mass shootings is the daily sporadic shootings in towns and cities e.g one not covered by international media:-

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-ci-west-baltimore-shooting-20190221-story.html
     
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    From what I understand that America don't have Mass shooting problem, America has a lot of different kinds of Problem For example .. America have Guns Problem , America has Mental health Issue Problem , America has Religious extremism Problem , America has Racial extremism Problem , America has Race Problem , America has a War problem , America has fear problem etc

    Alot of people might be thinking if America has so many problems how it is still one of the best country in the world ? how they still keep things quite peaceful ? Well all those problems i mentioned are interconnected to one another in one way or another , For example Guns Problem combine with Mental health cause shootings , Religious extremism with Guns cause Terrorism , Race Problem with fear cause Black people getting shot and killed ..

    So America has two images and people who lived in America or are currently living can confirm or deny it that there is one side of America which we see and which is portrayed things like American Dream , Land of Opportunity etc, but than there is another dark side where Racism dwells in the form of KKK and Neo NAZI , Where religious intolerance are rising , Where Police brutality are increasing , where more Guns in the hands of mentally sick people cause mass shootings .. So in the end one side is battling with another and they both will exists with each other for times to come .
     
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    folks up high in the chairs oughta do something about these crackers. it aint right to give whitey a free hand no more. oughta show a honkey how it turns out if a cracker gets all angsty @KAL-EL @Hamartia Antidote knowwhatimsayin
     
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    If you are talented there is no place in the world that can match America for Professional careers. Imagine all the companies and startups that took root in America that changed the world . No place is perfect . Despite its problems it continues to be the most sought after country where immigrants would like to settle.
     
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    u.s killings due to gun firing are due to the business of arms manufacturers that is why they not impose ban on guns and continue to give license for such weapons so people continue to buy their weapons and the arm manufacturers earn huge profits by selling their guns
     
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    Or maybe Americans don't want to lose their right of keeping guns that's why guns are not banned In USA
     
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    What is the score so far and what is the batting average?
     
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    I agree with this!- except the part about freedom and also somewhat about the money.

    I don't believe in or care about the US's idea of "freedom". I don't think humans should be free to do whatever they want. I don't think individual freedom is the highest, most important value and I think this is a fundamentally selfish view.

    I believe in the Sharia and I believe that we should follow whatever Sharia says. I don't believe humans have any right to insult Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) or Islam. I don't believe humans have any right to commit adultery. I don't think humans have any right to practice homosexuality or witchcraft. I think whatever the Sharia says should be applied and anytime there is a contradiction between Sharia and "freedom"- Sharia must win.

    I do want freedom to practice my religion, eat cow and freedom to do what is halal, though.

    Also, I think the government should stop with the socialist-style stealing from my paycheck!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    However, I believe the government has every right to extract zakat from me.

    I don't blame you for asking but to find out all the details I think would be too painful for me
     
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    Americans on this forum do not for a moment believe that anyone on this forum is genuinely interested in discussing -- not debating -- the 'gun violence' issue in the US.

    But for starter...

    Discussion -- a usually cooperative and mutually agreed upon intent to correlate different ideas that may not have been companions to each other.

    Debate -- a usually contestant event where different ideas attempts to supplant the others.

    Huge chasm between the two.

    How about I propose -- ban the Bible, the Quran, the Torah, and just about every 'holy' text in the US?

    The allowance to have the gun is enshrined in the US Constitution, which is as 'holy' to Americans as the Bible is to Christians, the Quran to the Muslims, and the Torah to the Jews.

    So if a Muslim objects to banning the Quran, then do not criticize US about the Second Amendment.
     
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    While I completely agree with you on what you said about the second amendment, as I feel that Gun culture is part of the USA, and not in a negative way at all. It is actually quite impressive how important it is there and how much of a positive community it has created as well.
    One does have to see that shootings are becoming common in the USA, even excluding ones caused by immigrants and such. I personally do not link them to an abundance of guns. Guns are even more abundant in Canada. Finland, and even Pakistan in some regions then they are in the USA. And anyone who solely says that gun violence is due to existence of guns is pretty stupid. That’s like saying obesity exists due to presence of food, and mind you obesity and health related issues kill more people than guns. And If people answer that with “just eat less” then you can answer shootings with “just don’t shoot at people” and call it a day.
    I relate it more to the social divide and mental health issues that are on the rise in the USA. With both increasing at an alarming rate. Other factors like religion, immigrants etc will influence it further.
    But all that aside, what do you think is actually the logical solution to this? Because people do notice these causes but the things done to combat them are making them worst.
     
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    You are free to believe and practice whatever you want, but you do not have the freedom to impose your beliefs on others, especially when they do not share your beliefs. And unfortunately for your feelings, when people do not share your beliefs, they will believe that they have the freedom to criticize and even mock your beliefs.

    Is this applicable globally? Or inside established borders?

    If you believe Sharia laws are global in scope, then inevitably, there will be conflicts -- ARMED CONFLICTS.

    Already, how we live in the US is in contradiction to Sharia laws. I have no problems with sex outside of marriage. Do you? If you do, what are you going to do about it? Beat me up? Kill me? I have no intention of changing my ways. So any effort of persuasion will be futile, which leave violence as your only recourse.
     
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    Too many Muslims fail to understand that their beliefs don’t work on the world. They think they do just because they feel Islam is “superior” where in fact Islam itself disregards any such practices. Sharia is law that applies in Muslim countries or areas controlled by Muslims. Regardless of the population (if applied by the rulers anyways).
    Islam is a religion which has no place in politics. Only in governance. Islam is considered a menace by half the world today because it was mixed with politics and turned into a tool for power. Like every other religion. Hence come the people who think religion shouldn’t exist at all. And when you look at it from this point of view. They start to seem sane because the believers brought this upon themselves, where they barely follow these laws themselves but force it upon others. but anyways. Back to the topic.
     
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    In the abstract, freedoms and rights are independent. But when they are APPLIED, then we have conflicts.

    FIRE...FIRE...FIRE...!!!...In a movie theater. But there is no fire.

    I have my freedom of speech, no?

    If I yell 'Fire' in the desert or the jungle, who cares?

    The gun is here to stay -- in the US. So as a gun owner, I should be cognizant of conflicting freedoms and rights when they are applied and found some measure of threats to public safety.

    When we demand 'solution', the implication is that we want a mathematical solution where everything canceled out and the solution is neat. That is not how freedoms and rights works when they are applied. If the gun is allowed, there will be deaths from guns, whether the person is suicidal or murderous. We can have background checks, which I do support, but that method will not prevent gun violence.

    Can we say that banning the Quran will solve the Islamic terrorism problem? Germany banned the public display of the Nazi salute, but white supremacy continues to exist, so all we can do is cope with the neo-Nazis. Coping is not a solution but an exercise of patience.
     
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    Again, completely true, but that is what I just said, especially the line of “if there are guns, there will be deaths due to them” and no one is denying that. It’s just what I said about obesity. I also agree that the gun is here to stay and Infact it should stay. Technically Banning both the Quran or the gun will further strengthen the issues that they’re trying to stop with either. It is also true that the world is not ideal and no perfect solution exists.
    But I link these mass shootings not to guns themselves but to the people that cause them, and my question was more along those lines. What do you as a gun owning American think of a possible solution, even if not a perfect one, when people say that the gun you have should be banned to reduce gun violence. Or is it just to stay quiet and go about your business knowing there is none. The violence itself is more related to mental health, which I believe is not any of our field and hence I won’t ask about.
     
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