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US medical system sucks, take it from someone who is living in US and experiencing it first hand, yes they have good services and doctors but they will rip every penny off your skin, do you know that just make a 911 call and order an ambulance can cost you up to 1500$?

US spends a lot on the military because they have to and they have no choice, without Powerful military they lose their SUPER POWER Status, and that influence they enjoy over weak countries.
You reinforced my point in fact: "It would be better to restructure this sector and make it efficient."

They spend so much in the health domain (Medicare + Health), and still have a health system that is a lot to be desired. I am not sure how Americans are putting up with this rubbish.
 

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You reinforced my point in fact: "It would be better to restructure this sector and make it efficient."

They spend so much in the health domain (Medicare + Health), and still have a health system that is a lot to be desired. I am not sure how Americans are putting up with this rubbish.
That's the point, they don't... they try to buy generic pills from Walmart for normal sinus and flu, but everyone knows going to a hospitals means financial death, and omg don't even let me start on these insurance companies and how they rip Americans down to their bones.
Sorry why do they have to ? Why not they be a gentle country ?
Because the biggest and best drug in this world is Power, haven't you heard the Phrase " Taqat ka Nasha sab se zaida Powerful hota hai ", America is Power-hungry, and to maintain that they need a Powerful military, they need raw materials and resources to keep their huge industry working, hence they sell their military service to other rich countries, and also outsources their military to weaker nations if they don't than China or Russia will overtake their role/influence.

Let them put those resources on building an efficient welfare system and on building Mars settlements instead.
they are investing in almost every field, why do you think they are still the best in whatever they do? the only reason America doesn't get many voices of concern over their military is that their system keeps a nice balance between the Military and other social services which are still better than many countries.
 
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Because the biggest and best drug in this world is Power, haven't you heard the Phrase " Taqat ka Nasha sab se zaida Powerful hota hai ", America is Power-hungry, and to maintain that they need a Powerful military, they need raw materials and resources to keep their huge industry working, hence they sell their military service to other rich countries, and also outsources their military to weaker nations if they don't than China or Russia will overtake their role/influence.
Technically you are correct about America. But I wish the President of America stands in UN General Assembly and explains at length why America has to wage wars around the world, why it has to destabilize other countries.

the only reason America doesn't get many voices of concern over their military is that their system keeps a nice balance between the Military and other social services which are still better than many countries.
You yourself said that an American calling 911 has to shell out 1500 dollars to get treated. What if a homeless person is ill and cannot afford the treatment. Yes, Superpower America having homeless people who cannot afford treatment, yet the same Superpower America invading a welfare system country like Libya where there are no homeless and the healthcare system is free. Irony !
 

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very good to know they are everywhere to fight and kill terrorists .
So why doesn't USA and rest of NATO go to Syria and help the Syrian government forces in eliminating the tens of thousands of Al Qaeda and other terrorists rampaging through the country ?

Is it because these terrorists were created and inserted into Syria by the USA government and NATO ? Much like NATO did in Libya and is doing in Venezuela now ?
 

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So why doesn't USA and rest of NATO go to Syria and help the Syrian government forces in killing the Al Qaeda and other terrorists rampaging through the country ?

Is it because these terrorists were created and inserted into Syria by the USA government and NATO ? Much like NATO did in Libya and is doing in Venezuela now ?
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i am talking about those terrorists who attack india and america , they are common enemy of both countries .
 

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i am talking about those terrorists who attack india and america , they are common enemy of both countries .
Certain elements among India's Hindutva right-wing call India as having become a "Vishwa guru" ( World leader ). If that is so then India has to speak about events ( like terrorism ) in other countries too. Why selfishly be focused on India only ?

And why militarily ally with America only ? Why not with Russia which has boots on the ground in Syria, helping the Syrian government in eliminating the terrorists sent by America and rest of NATO ? Isn't Russia supposed to be a friend of India ?
 
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Certain elements among India's Hindutva right-wing call India as having become a "Vishwa guru" ( World leader ). If that is so then India has to speak about events ( like terrorism in other countries too. Why selfishly be focused on India only ?

And why militarily ally with America only ? Why not with Russia which has boots on the ground in Syria, helping the Syrian government in eliminating the terrorists sent by America and rest of NATO ? Isn't Russia supposed to be a friend of India ?
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we should first be safe from immediate enemies who are targetting us day and night , america is fighting those terrorists who are attacking india . russia can't be our ally because it is supporting china who vetos resolution on ban of terrorists like hafij seyed who attacked bombay .
 

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we should first be safe from immediate enemies who are targetting us day and night
Agreed.

But even better is do peace deal with that neighbor. In this thread I make such a peace proposal.

america is fighting those terrorists who are attacking india .
Who exactly is America fighting against ?

Russia can't be our ally because it is supporting china who vetos resolution on ban of terrorists like hafij seyed who attacked bombay .
Can you link me to such an article about Russia ?
 

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Agreed.

But even better is do peace deal with that neighbor. In this thread I make such a peace proposal.
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peace with neighbour is good , but pakistan will not agree on peace without taking kashmir . we will never allow that . so there will never be peace with pakistan .
Agreed.

Who exactly is America fighting against ?
right now america is fighting china , we are forced to side with america .
Agreed.




Can you link me to such an article about Russia ?
i have no such article but
russia is in shanghai cooperation treaty , they are acting togather in central asian countries .
 
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peace with neighbour is good , but pakistan will not agree on peace without taking kashmir .
When President Musharraf met PM Vajpayee, Musharraf had his four point formula for Kashmir :
This four-point solution to Kashmir issue which includes demilitarization and “self-governance with joint supervision mechanism”. The four-point formula of Musharraf included a) Kashmir should have the same borders but free movement across the region be allowed for people on both side of LoC; b)There should be self-governance or autonomy but not independence e)Region should be demilitarized i-e phased wised withdrawal of troops from the region. d ) and a mechanism should be devised jointly so that the road map for Kashmir is implemented smoothly. Thus Pakistan’s President, Pervez Musharraf, had diluted the Pakistani position significantly. Musharraf 4 point formula brought five major shifts in Pakistan decades long stand on Kashmir. These five major changes are : 1) setting aside the U.N.’s resolutions on plebiscite; 2) self-governance substation for self-determination; 3) forsaking religion as a criterion; 4) Pakistan advise to Kashmiris to talk to New Delhi; and 5) accepting the Line of Control (LoC) provided it is combined with joint management, an issue pre-eminently liable to compromise.
Musharraf had come a way from the previous Pakistani stance on Kashmir. Sad that the then BJP government did not agree to this formula.

What I proposed is similar to Musharraf's formula but I also include a wider solution for the general India-Pakistan antagonism.

so there will never be peace with pakistan .
How long ? 20 years ? 50 ? More ?
 

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When President Musharraf met PM Vajpayee, Musharraf had his four point formula for Kashmir :

Musharraf had come a way from the previous Pakistani stance on Kashmir. Sad that the then BJP government did not agree to this formula.

What I proposed is similar to Musharraf's formula but I also include a wider solution for the general India-Pakistan antagonism.



How long ? 20 years ? 50 ? More ?
sir i respect your formula , but in present day pakistanis will not agree on peace formula of musharraf .
 

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sir i respect your formula
Thank you.

but in present day pakistanis will not agree on peace formula of musharraf .
In that case some top leaders from India must take up the formula and try to not only convince Indians about it but also remind Pakistanis that they ( Pakistanis ) had once spoken of a practical peace formula.

Like I asked, how long will the India-Pakistan antagonism be allowed to continue ? Next 20 years ? 50 ? More ?
 

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Technically you are correct about America. But I wish the President of America stands in UN General Assembly and explains at length why America has to wage wars around the world, why it has to destabilize other countries.
They won't, they don't see it as invasions, but necessary interventions for so-called Protecting American Interests or security, that's the same manjan they are selling since Afghanistan, and it will keep selling it as long as they hold the Power, or I should say Blackmailing Power and influence over the world, with of course their Powerful unmatched Military/economic might. Every empire and Powerful country becomes greedy once they know they can do things to smaller and weaker nations and get away with it, USA is no exception. Even Islamic empires have done it in the Past, except for Rashidun Caliphate. Obtaining power from various means is easy, but keeping your morals, ethics after getting that Power is hard, as Spiderman said With Power comes great responsibility and everyone fails at keeping that responsibility.
You yourself said that an American calling 911 has to shell out 1500 dollars to get treated. What if a homeless person is ill and cannot afford the treatment. Yes, Superpower America having homeless people who cannot afford treatment, yet the same Superpower America invading a welfare system country like Libya where there are no homeless and the healthcare system is free. Irony !
calling for an Ambulance might cost you based on the distance from where they pick you to the hospital, of course, you don't have to pay right away but it will be added to your bill once and if you are discharged from the hospital, why you think Americans buy generic pills from Walmart and do other things for flu, fever and other remedies rather than going to the hospital because they know it will break their budget and God forbids if someone gets a serious disease with a horrible Insurance than they are doom.

For the US invading other countries, let me tell you this US do things which they do because they know they can do it without facing the consequences, they know all they have to do is say Sorry, for no matter how many Civilians they blast in Drone strikes, no one can touch them, they control UN, IMF, and world bank and have military bases in every major economic chokepoint, who wants to go against the US? No one, and no one will because they know it's a battle they won't win.
 
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You reinforced my point in fact: "It would be better to restructure this sector and make it efficient."

They spend so much in the health domain (Medicare + Health), and still have a health system that is a lot to be desired. I am not sure how Americans are putting up with this rubbish.
As an American I agree with your take. We spend more then any nation on our healthcare. The care is mostly top notch, some of the greatest doctors and best tech. But goddamn the cost. A more efficient healthcare system would go a long way. However, we spend way to much on our military too. The military also need to be more efficient as well. To much money is being wasted for no gain. It's not easy to do but I have hope eventually we'll get there.
 

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