The oil and gas reserves on the Arabian Peninsula contain more worth than many regions overall resources combined.What natural resources are we looking at except oil?
What about heavy industry?
KSA- assuming this is to be the major state needs to be a industrial giant like germany in EU to power this union.Otherwise the union's heavy industry will be largely dependant on outside sources and that will defeat its very purpose.
It is a viable plan but with significant economic and geopolitical obstacles.
I see what you did in your second argument.1- One language.
2- More than 80% belongs to 1 religion.
3- Most of the arabs belongs to same tribes.
4- All of them face same enemies.
5- There is no huge differences in cultures or opinions.
So , why not.
I think that will happen beginning by the GCC firstly.
Then it will attract the other countries gradually.
Let's start a discussion regarding the topic of the GCC or the Arabian Peninsula unifying into 1 big country. Notice that there is a difference between the actual political borders of the Arabian Peninsula and the geographical borders which also consists of Jordan, Southern Iraq and parts of Syria.
How foreseeable is it and what is needed in order for it to become a reality?
I will give my own opinion later if this discussion evolves into something serious or interesting. For now I will just leave it to others to comment on. I am mostly interested in hearing users from the Arabian Peninsula and their opinion regarding this. Which on PDF translates to users from KSA mainly as there are not many active Arab users on PDF to begin with let alone users from Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Yemen etc. I actually think that there is none.
In the meantime I will just write some short facts. Only based on the current POLITICAL borders of the Arabian Peninsula mind you.
If a country it would be the 7th biggest in the world.
Around 80,000,000 million as of 2014.
If a country it would be the 16th most populous country.
GDP (nominal) $1,800-1,900 billion as of late 2014.
If a country it would have around the 10th biggest economy (GDP nominal)
GDP per capita as of late 2014:
Around $35,000 excluding impoverished Yemen.
If a country, excluding impoverished Yemen, it would be in the top 30 and among the richest considering size and population.
Let's not even discuss oil and gas reserves, natural riches in general, the strategic location, access to the Red Sea, Gulf, Arabian Sea and wider Indian Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea through the nearby Suez Canal.
Let's not forget the economic prognosis that consistently place GCC economies as among the fastest growing and their GDP per capita as among the highest in the world a long time into the future.
Or the endless potential on almost all areas that are yet to even remotely be fulfilled due to political and social reasons mainly.
Try to look at this scenario not necessarily from the current glasses as of 2014 but in 10-20 years time for instance where political regimes, laws etc. can have changed tremendously.
This could also lead to regional unifications elsewhere in the Arab world. I think that this will be the way forward.
No trolling please as that's not the propose of this thread.
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Who says that a federal state would happen under a monarchial system? Nor me nor you know what will happen in let's say 30 years time. Also if we are talking about a federal state each current monarchy can retain the power in the various federal states of the country.Nobody willing to give up his monarchy and join under one leadership
Are those people of Turkish origin keep their Turkish identity ? is name Turki, al-Turki related to them ? although if I remember correctly I saw a Saudi family member with this name, no idea why.Arabs are by far the biggest ethnicity. Then you have Afro-Arabs, people of Turkish (as in people from modern-day Turkey not any Central Asian states or Azerbaijan), people of various South Asian origins (mostly Baluch), people speaking Southern Semitic languages (native to Southern Arabia), people of South East Asian origin (mostly Indonesia and Malaysia), some people of Persian and Lur origin and then you also have people of European descent who are mostly descendants of slaves or traders that settled. Nowadays all of those identity is Arab, they speak Arabic and are not any different from the native people. Also many people in the Arabian Peninsula, especially people from the cities are of mixed origins if you look back a few decades. Yet their identity is the Arab one.
The Afro-Arabs come from all kind of backgrounds. Horn of Africa, Western Africa and areas South of Congo. Many have nothing to do with slavery but just settled on the Arabian Peninsula as it lies strategically between Africa, Europe and the remaining Asia and is surrounded by seas connecting the world. For instance Hijaz, due to the pilgrimage, was the "New York of the East" for centuries and you have basically people from all over the Muslim world that settled in Hijaz and who are now Saudi Arabian citizens.
Let alone the migrant population that is from diverse origins as well.
As I explained then that is not even an big issue really either. See post 40 in this thread.
Al-Turki basically means "The Turk". The eldest son of Ibn Saud was named Turki but he died young. Since then a few Al-Saud members have been named "Turki". Or more precisely a part of their often very long names contained the name. That name is rare in KSA outside of Najd.Are those people of Turkish origin keep their Turkish identity ? is name Turki, al-Turki related to them ? although if I remember correctly I saw a Saudi family member with this name, no idea why.
About the union, it isn't a huge problem, peninsula countries are already fine with each other with some exceptions, union wouldn't make much of a difference, they should just focus on building industry etc.
In my opinion its better to stay seperate but close, there is a saying in Turkish "Nerde çokluk, orda bokluk"(wherever there is crowd, shit there is).
Also it isn't a far sighted idea to breed like rabbits, as technology advances, need for manpower decrease, world is already too crowded and natural resources are getting insufficient. I sometimes dream of creating new viruses to decrease population.
Actually , we need to choose 1 of those three countries .I see what you did in your second argument.
The only problem with that will be the political aspect and especially that involving the world powers (US, Russia and China). I am not sure that they would like to see such a potentially powerful country controlling most of the oil and gas in the world and major seas and points of trade etc.
Let's say that the GCC announced tomorrow that they would become 1 federal country and that no military bases (foreign) were to be allowed. Would US be happy about that? Of course not. So that's one of the obstacles.
This goes for the entire Arab world in terms of uniting. Not just the Arabian Peninsula as a whole.
Read my numerous posts on this topic. Most Arab users (vast majority in fact) agree with me as well as do most Arabs out there.
Who says that a federal state would happen under a monarchial system? Nor me nor you know what will happen in let's say 30 years time. Also if we are talking about a federal state each current monarchy can retain the power in the various federal states of the country.
Besides once again the monarchs of the Arabian Peninsula might by then only have a ceremonial role as they have in most European countries.
Yemen for instance was a monarchy for 3000 years and was ruled by 1 family for 1000 years (a branch of the Hashemites) until 50 years ago. Who in their sane minds would have believed that they would ever become a republic? Moreover at one point even becoming a communist ruled state (Southern Yemen)? The answer is almost nobody if anybody.
I sense a bit of trolling. Nefaq is seen in every ethnicity and person. At least Arabs were united for centuries which not many ethnicities of this size (none in fact) can say.NO,
What you have listed in your posts are reasons why such an integration may work out very well, because of common language, traditions etc etc etc.
I want to know, what is the reason for arab countries to form a union ? or to integrate ?
If history tells us one thing, then it is that arabs have had abundant "nefaq" .
why would that trend change now ?
Yes.Actually , we need to choose 1 of those three countries .
And I think you know which country can help us .
What the hell are you blabbering about? You are a Bangladeshi that has no clue about this region of the world or its politicies. Nor did you bother to read this thread. In short you are a clueless obviously.Saudi Arabia needs to become less of a dictatorship before anyone will be willing to join, it's got so many backwards laws and orders, it's pretty unbelievable but if this otherworldly 'Arab Unification' you speak of, allows democracy than why not? But I don't think UAE would want to join or any other country making money from tourism.Cause you best believe whatever happens in the real paradise on earth aint going to happen in SA under this leadership.
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