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The U.S. defeat in Afghanistan is worse than the Soviet failure...how has this happened?

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I think US withdrawal is much better ...they didn't broke like USSR
..USSR had advantage of being neighbor and land route for continuous supply ..much easier for them to retreat
Putin did Jack in Afghanistan. Infact when Pakistan blocked the supply lines Russia helped. All the kaffirs of the world were united...this victory is Muslims victory over the combined armies of the world shayateen.

Gen Gull Hameed...May Allah have mercy upon him predicted this and they all laughed at him. Gen shahib...we salute your vision
Yes you right ...Russia did Help for supply route when Pakistan blocked it for a time ..and put it in simple words as u said ..all forces of kufr were combined in this somehow ..
 

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The story is not very different in Afghanistan and the 2011 Salala attack was the expression of the same frustration as the Vietnamese Turkestan incident in which many Pakistani soldiers were killed by USAF. In my mind the Salala incident = Turkestan incident.

It has more to with professionalism or lack of it.

What you think we didnt have the same fustration when TTP was using Afganistan as base and attacking our children and civilians?.. right under NATO's nose?

you guys were lucky Imran Khan wasnt in power but a CIA installed gangster Zadari as President.
 

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Mujahideen totally annihilated the Soviets
Yeah, "Mujahideen", created, trained, armed and assisted by the Crusader West, China and a few others ( ;) ). "Mujahideen" who caused the deaths of two million Afghan civilians and the misery that plagued Afghanistan for the next 30 years and continues now.
 

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The US lost in Vietnam because the US military was shackled by restrictions imposed by politicians in Washington and idiotic Washington notions such as graduated escalation

One outcome of the graduated escalation doctrine was that US fighters were not permitted hot pursuit of North Vietnamese fighters fleeing into neighboring Cambodia or China.
true but it is the half truth...


The fact is Vietnamese airforce quickly learned from their menators and with great courage rose to intercept and attack wave after wave of USAF attacks.. the same can be said about their foot soldiers.

If you had your hands tied, so did the soviets. If you escaled what makes you think the Soviets and Chinese wont escate?.. remember in Korea Soviet and Chinese pilots effectively ended day light USAF attacks.

the fact remains they out fought you with skill, improvisation and great courage. You people denying them of this wont change any thing.

In general there is very little US military can be proud of what they did in Vietnam... there was a reason why your own people were spitting on your soldiers as they returned.
 

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Yeah, "Mujahideen", created, trained, armed and assisted by the Crusader West, China and a few others ( ;) ). "Mujahideen" who caused the deaths of two million Afghan civilians and the misery that plagued Afghanistan for the next 30 years and continues now.
success has many fathers failure is an orphan...
 

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Yeah, "Mujahideen", created, trained, armed and assisted by the Crusader West, China and a few others ( ;) ). "Mujahideen" who caused the deaths of two million Afghan civilians and the misery that plagued Afghanistan for the next 30 years and continues now.

nope.

It was due to afgan character unwilling to compromise.... Neither faction is tolerant of the other.

This new generation taliban seems to have learned a few things
 

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success has many fathers failure is an orphan...
I will try to process that phrase in the context of my post. :D

nope.

It was due to afgan character unwilling to compromise.... Neither faction is tolerant of the other.
Progressive ideas spread through discussion, debate and preaching and I am sure the Afghan progressives tried reasoning for years with those among the Afghans who insisted on using and spreading traditional-local and foreign regressive ideas. It were these second Afghans who were unwilling to compromise.

This new generation taliban seems to have learned a few things
Let's see in a month.
 

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true but it is the half truth...
you want to talk about Vietnam then please make a thread to discuss it. The US enjoyed air superiority over Vietnam during the Vietnam war.Most US air losses were due to Soviet SAM but once we improved our jammers and refined our wild weasel tactics even Soviet SAM operators rarely targeted US fighters. So no the US air force and Navy could bomb whatever it wanted and it did towards the end to force Vietnam into the Paris accord.
 

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you want to talk about Vietnam then please make a thread to discuss it. The US enjoyed air superiority over Vietnam during the Vietnam war.Most US air losses were due to Soviet SAM but once we improved our jammers and refined our wild weasel tactics even Soviet SAM operators rarely targeted US fighters. So no the US air force and Navy could bomb whatever it wanted and it did towards the end to force Vietnam into the Paris accord.

yes... and few years earlier USAF had terrible ratio of 2:1 .... you learned lessons years later got new tactics and tech and had a temporay edge.

what makes you think soviets would not adapt and supply new tech and equipment to blunt your new found advantage?..
s. It were these second Afghans who were unwilling to compromise.
Yes people like Ghani who ran with cars full of cash...
Let's see in a month.
As if they care about your timeline.
 

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