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As per SPDC report (2003) , 70 % of Madrassas are run by Deobandi sect affiliated with Wafaq-ul-Madaris Al-Arabia (one of the five madrassah boards in Pakistan) despite the fact that Deobandis make up less than 10 % of Pakistan's (total) population. Shia on the other hand, while almost same in number as Deoband, run no more than 6 % of Madrassas in Pakistan. This however is not independent of the fact that Pakistani Shia are comparatively a rich and strong community. Research done by the Pakistan based Social Policy and Development Center (SPDC) revealed that only 6% of madrassa students cite religious reasons for attending madrassas, while 89% cited economic reasons (The State of education Report, 2002-03, SPDC, 2003, p.161).


But as for "foreign influence", 82% of those belonging to Deobandi Madrassas see the Taliban as a model for Islamizing Pakistan as per survey compared to 90% of those studying in Shia Madrassas who see Iran as their role model. (Ali, 2010) ... In other words, Iranian influence on Pakistani Shia is stronger than Saudi influence on Pakistani Deoband/hardliners ... So, my friend, it's not as simple as you are trying to present here.
 

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It's a shame that the pathetic Arabs are getting closer to "Israel". Pakistan is missing the boat here and needs to get closer to Israel diplomatically and militarily.
 

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if iran is invaded by israel and proxies they will also try to enter Pakistan as iran is sharing border with us
 

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It's a shame that the pathetic Arabs are getting closer to "Israel". Pakistan is missing the boat here and needs to get closer to Israel diplomatically and militarily.
Exactly. Pakistan needs to establish relations with Israel immediately.

#PakistansForeignPolicySucks
 

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if iran is invaded by israel and proxies they will also try to enter Pakistan as iran is sharing border with us
That would be strategically impossible for "Israel' who had trouble invading/occupying Lebanon and still has issues with occupying Palestinians. Iran has been invaded very few times in history.

And if that is your concern, "israeli" proxies invading Pakistan, then the solution is simple: Develop relations with "Israel". More than likely "israeli" proxies will just be pedophiles and rapists from saudi arabia, since that country is basically run by pedos and rapists.

Exactly. Pakistan needs to establish relations with Israel immediately.

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It's not that bad, but could be better. Pakistan's relations with "Israel" would be good for Pakistan.
 
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That would be strategically impossible for "Israel' who had trouble invading/occupying Lebanon and still has issues with occupying Palestinians. Iran has been invaded very few times in history.

And if that is your concern, "israeli" proxies invading Pakistan, then the solution is simple: Develop relations with "Israel". More than likely "israeli" proxies will just be pedophiles and rapists from saudi arabia, since that country is basically run by pedos and rapists.



It's not that bad, but could be better. Pakistan's relations with "Israel" would be good for Pakistan.
even if we develop relations with them they will not spare us until we become zionist and left Islam
 

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even if we develop relations with them they will not spare us until we become zionist and left Islam
Thats what nukes are for. Deterrent. Zios aren't looking convert us. Sure, they are liars, cheaters, and also engage in pedophilia like their new friends, the Saudis and Emiratis, but hey, this is the world we live in. We can't ignore them.
 

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if iran is invaded by israel and proxies they will also try to enter Pakistan as iran is sharing border with us
That would be strategically impossible for "Israel' who had trouble invading/occupying Lebanon and still has issues with occupying Palestinians. Iran has been invaded very few times in history.

And if that is your concern, "israeli" proxies invading Pakistan, then the solution is simple: Develop relations with "Israel". More than likely "israeli" proxies will just be pedophiles and rapists from saudi arabia, since that country is basically run by pedos and rapists.



It's not that bad, but could be better. Pakistan's relations with "Israel" would be good for Pakistan.
Iran wont be invaded by Israel, but by USA and I can guarantee you that Iran will be divided up like Iraq if it indeed will be invaded.

The Kurds will take over all the provinces close to Turkey with US permission In Iran. This is to prevent any direct contact between Iran and Turkey like they did in Iraq, any trade and gas supply will have to go through the kurds and so it will economically empower the Kurdistan movement in the whole region. Also Turkey will now be surrounded on another side and pkk/Pjak terrorists will have another front line into Turkey for their guerrilla warfare.

Iran's Sistan and Baluchistan Provence will quickly be taken over by Balochistan separatists with the backing of India and of course the permission of the US to weaken China. Just like the Kurds, The Balochis will sucede and have their own mini country In Iran, this will finally legitimize the Baluchistan movement globally which India has so desperately wanted to weaken Pakistan. Pakistan will now be surrounded on another side and balochi insurgents will have a safe haven and Pakistan will have 3 hostile countries on its border. China can also say goodbye to any one belt project going through Iran

 

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You are assuming many things, which is due to lack of information, and ofcourse not all information is public for you to consume on from the official media channels.

Saudis have been in bed with Zionists since they came in power and of course they were brought in power for that very reason and to end the Caliphate.

But your assumption that Pakistan has no or zero influence in middle east, or Pakistan doesn;t know what;s going on is pretty ignorant tbh.
You are trying to take the minds of an average Pakistani on the street who still feels Bashar is the bad guy in syria thanks to dependence on corporate media, and trying to link that with the mindset of the establishment, which is not accurate.

The establishment has been in bed with the Americans for sure, but lately it's changed course and slowly drifting away towards better shores.
 

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if iran is divided then Pakistan may lose balochistan as it is difficultly controlled by army at present.china will not go beyond a limit for Pakistan as we see nkorea is stopping their nuke development because china tell them clearly that they are not going to protect them from u.s
Iran wont be invaded by Israel, but by USA and I can guarantee you that Iran will be divided up like Iraq if it indeed will be invaded.

The Kurds will take over all the provinces close to Turkey with US permission In Iran. This is to prevent any direct contact between Iran and Turkey like they did in Iraq, any trade and gas supply will have to go through the kurds and so it will economically empower the Kurdistan movement in the whole region. Also Turkey will now be surrounded on another side and pkk/Pjak terrorists will have another front line into Turkey for their guerrilla warfare.

Iran's Sistan and Baluchistan Provence will quickly be taken over by Balochistan separatists with the backing of India and of course the permission of the US to weaken China. Just like the Kurds, The Balochis will sucede and have their own mini country In Iran, this will finally legitimize the Baluchistan movement globally which India has so desperately wanted to weaken Pakistan. Pakistan will now be surrounded on another side and balochi insurgents will have a safe haven and Pakistan will have 3 hostile countries on its border. China can also say goodbye to any one belt project going through Iran

 

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Amazing, nobody even read any of of it. Still a grand total of 0 comments which hold any relevance to the topic whatsoever. The vast majority of you seem to not even have read the post. Why sit and refuse to get new knowledge and finally break through the barrier that is idiotic Pakistani mainstream commentary on the Middle East? Are you so emotionally attached to views that find no acknowledgment anywhere?

In other words, Iranian influence on Pakistani Shia is stronger than Saudi influence on Pakistani Deoband/hardliners
This isn't Middle East related, but is it Shia TTP/ISIS killing people in Pakistan?

The Kurds will take over all the provinces close to Turkey with US permission In Iran
Have you been paying any attention to what's gone on with the Kurds? Late 2017 saw their KRG referendum stamped out by the increasingly Iran-aligned Iraqis, with the subsequent takeover by Iraqi forces of Iraqi Kurdistan. The Syrian Kurds - and I believe this was intentional on the part of Trump - were declared a new 'border force' in a move that strongly provoked NATO member Turkey who then invaded and took them to the cleaners.

Kurds are in a state of disarray and neither Turkey, Iran, Iraq or Syria like them. By the way, fun fact: Israel was getting 80% of its oil from Iraqi Kurdistan prior to it being taken over (or taken back) by the Iraqi federal government.

As for the typical 'Pakistan should build relations with Israel'; no. Israel is not even a nominally normal state and they have a long history of false flags within allied countries as well. They also detest the idea of a strong Pakistan and would wish it to reach the levels of puppethood of Jordan etc.

But your assumption that Pakistan has no or zero influence in middle east, or Pakistan doesn;t know what;s going on is pretty ignorant tbh.
I'm referring to Pakistani intelligentsia and their absolutely horrible false dichotomies of conflicts in that region.

Arab nationalist government which Sunni majority armies, bolstered by SSNP Christian-Sunni militias, PMUs from Shia Iran, mixed Iraqi armed forces = 'Uhhh Shia Sunni war'. Stuff like that is what irks me because Pakistan should get it's ideas on the Middle East straight already.

Alright, got enough posts so I can provide the vital reading links: 1996 Israeli security strategy revision and analysis: https://www.irmep.org/PDF/3-27-2003_Clean_Break_or_Dirty_War.pdf

Wikileaks regarding targeting of Assad: https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html
 
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KSA's just a glove on the American hand, don't credit them with too much independance or sovereignty.
 

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Saudis have been in bed with Zionists since they came in power and of course they were brought in power for that very reason and to end the Caliphate.
Dear there's wasn't no caliphate in turkey to begin with. It was just another kingdom but friendly to subcontinental Muslims


@El Sidd what is the reason whenever some opportunity arises these mullah lobbyists kicks in with their bhaichara and social service ideas without pak getting any moolah in return?

Turki Iraq or Syria m natural resources ki mines p ja baytha Kea yeh behtar na hai k hm apnay itihadi or bhaio ka sath dy pulao khanay m?

Not that we should become greedy but in the process the region gets purged out of isis, peace and tranquility of life gets restored and we also earn some good headlines in the Maghrebi mumalik?

Aik division ki permanent deployment kr do to protect Shrines and crucial installations.

Baaki in return 6-7 oil wells lease p ly lo jaysay taysay - - - - - - - -?


Yeh Syrians b to Lebanon m army ly kr Chalay gy thy?
 

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While many Syrians regret Hafez al Assad's complicity in attacks on the Palestinians in Lebanon, although it's important to remember that Lebanon was more divided than Afghanistan today at that phase and the PLO was playing dirty politics of its own kind, the Syrian troops were present there as a deterrent to Israeli expansion.

Just read the OP for God's sake, I've put tons of highly crucial information there. Susti ki hadd hoti hai. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

Syria was initially just targeted for 'rolling back', i.e removing them as a deterrent for Israel in Lebanon so Israel could take over Lebanon. Thanks to Hezbollah and Hezbollah alone, Israel failed to do it in 2006 and the target was shifted to Syria itself in full force.
 

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