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component of Yemen.

They are not recognized component nor will become they will exist in the same way.. Weapon smuggling is denied.. All ships entering it is monitored. There will be no recognition but they could exist in current condition.. Lol Iran has missile areas across the persian gulf.. KSA-Iran are few miles away from each other basically breathing at each others throat they know where the other party is always...

Iran is largely contained in the area..

Iran's military concept is flawed and always have been in regards to missiles. These will win absolutely nothing but you gotta get your hands dirty and push thru conventionally.
 
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I would rather have Iran gain nukes, as the ksa is not facing any intimidation or threats.

The Iran is, also Iran has much developed industrial complex. From diesel engines for trucks to drones.

It's is much more beneficial for the Muslims world for Iran, to get out of their stalemate.

So far ksa has bombed the s out poor Yemen as the people voted a Shia leader in power. Also that meant ksa could no longer steal oil from Yemen.


Yemen even though oil rich has been barred by ksa to selling its oil to the world.
Iran also has its hands risenwith blood of the middle east
 

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I mean Iranian military ships being permanently or for long periods docket at hodaida. And if you say saudi will not accept deep relation between Ansarallah and Iran, then I guess war will start again.

What makes you believe that Houthis will bet on the Iranian horse (with little long-term positives for them, returns or benefits) when they have a permanent neighbor (KSA) that the Yemeni peoples share almost everything with (unlike with Iran)?


There is a Yemeni cvil war that is taking place in Yemen, KSA and to a much bigger extend Iran, are just outsiders with limited direct involvement.

Your premise only works if Houthis win/get the overhand and KSA accepts this and recognizes the Houthis AND allows outside (direct) support in its immediate sphere (Yemen).

All very unlikely to occur.

I think that there is a much, much bigger chance of Houthis accepting friendship with KSA as they know, that they cannot (Northern Yemen) survive without KSA long-term. Even today, as I described, the entire limited Northern Yemeni economy runs on remittances from KSA and direct help from KSA.
 

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They are not recognized component nor will become they will exist in the same way.. Weapon smuggling is denied.. All ships entering it is monitored. There will be no recognition but they could exist in current condition.. Lol Iran has missile areas across the persian gulf.. KSA-Iran are few miles away from each other basically breathing at each others throat they know where the other party is always...

Iran is largely contained in the area..

Iran's military concept is flawed and always have been in regards to missiles. These will win absolutely nothing but you gotta get your hands dirty and push thru conventionally.

Yes, it makes no sense. KSA and Iran are located basically just across each other.In a few million years (I once read, people can freely google it) the Arabian Peninsula will collide with the Iranian plateau (lol) and create a new mountain range possibly taller than the Himalayas and make them both landlocked. Of course by that time the world is likely no longer inhabited by humans as we know it.

Both have Missiles that can reach each other plus KSA's Air Force. Not to mention that KSA will have the backing of several powerful regional nations (most Arabs) and most of the international community in case of such a war.

GCC states, for instance, are bound by law, to aid any attacked GCC member state (by an outsider). Now add the entire GCC arsenal (Air Force alone) and you realize that such a war would be destructive for any attacking party.

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Anyway KSA-Iran cannot afford a direct war (mutual destruction) and their leaderships are not stupid enough to start such a war as they will lose everything and all the other regional countries will benefit from it, unless they won't be sucked into the war (which most likely will).

Theft of Yemen Oil by Saudi goons is a well documented fact and should be addressed via an International court when the war is over and Saudi occupiers are fully kicked out of Yemen.
As for Nuclear bomb for the Saudis even their American friend know that you do not give dangerous weapons to a bunch of lazy and half civilized tribal people who chop heads of their enemies in diplomatic sites.
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Yes, they should learn from Iran how to be civilized, the great unsanctioned, well-respected and non-violent superpower of the planet whose regime (religious police) just murdered a 22 year old girl which caused protests in Iran, lol. How is that 40 + years of trying to acquire nuclear weapons going? Will the West sign a deal and later spit you in your face for the entire world to see, just for you to return begging?

Just test nuclear weapons, if you have any, and KSA, Turkey, Egypt, UAE and others will follow suit. Would be the best thing that could happen for the region. Only the West and Israel will be angry.

As for oil, the INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED YEMENI GOVERNMENT that KSA is supporting asked for KSA/Arab support and since it is also their war, using their own oil and gas, to finance their own war, is completely legitimate. Keep crying.:)
 

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They are not recognized component nor will become they will exist in the same way.. Weapon smuggling is denied.. All ships entering it is monitored. There will be no recognition but they could exist in current condition.. Lol Iran has missile areas across the persian gulf.. KSA-Iran are few miles away from each other basically breathing at each others throat they know where the other party is always...

Iran is largely contained in the area..

Iran's military concept is flawed and always have been in regards to missiles. These will win absolutely nothing but you gotta get your hands dirty and push thru conventionally.
Then war will restart soon. It has no benefit for Ansarallah to stay in such position. While shipping is monitored, still large amount of weapons get smuggled in.
You were the one who was talking about Iranian drones, did you read the topics about Iranian drones in Ukraine?
 

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Yes, it makes no sense. KSA and Iran are located basically just across each other.In a few million years (I once read, people can freely google it) the Arabian Peninsula will collide with the Iranian plateau (lol) and create a new mountain range possibly taller than the Himalayas and make them both landlocked. Of course by that time the world is likely no longer inhabited by humans as we know it.

Both have Missiles that can reach each other plus KSA's Air Force. Not to mention that KSA will have the bagging of several powerful regional nations (most Arabs) and most of the international community in case of such a war.

GCC states, for instance, are bound by law, to aid any attacked GCC member state (by an outsider). Now add the entire GCC arsenal (Air Force alone) and you realize that such a war would be destructive for any attacking party.

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Anyway KSA-Iran cannot afford a direct war (mutual destruction) and their leaderships are not stupid enough to start such a war as they will lose everything and all the other regional countries will benefit from it, unless they won't be sucked into the war (which most likely will).



Yes, they should learn from Iran how to be civilized, the great unsanctioned, well-respected and non-violent superpower of the planet whose regime (religious police) just murdered a 22 year old girl which caused protests in Iran, lol. How is that 40 + years of trying to acquire nuclear weapons going? Will the West sign a deal and later spit you in your face for the entire world to see, just for you to return begging?

Just test nuclear weapons, if you have any, and KSA, Turkey, Egypt, UAE and others will follow suit. Would be the best thing that could happen for the region. Only the West and Israel will be angry.

As for oil, the INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED YEMENI GOVERNMENT that KSA is supporting asked for KSA/Arab support and since it is also their war, using their own oil and gas, to finance their own war, is completely legitimate. Keep crying.:)
I do not respond to a Saudi propaganda agent who is so coward that is hiding behind Pak flag....Put your real flag and do not be afraid .. We go easy on savages ..I can understand it is your day job and you are just doing your job in a place like this.:undecided::undecided:
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Saudi Troll Army and location of our PDF account "khan2727"
 
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I do not respond to a Saudi propaganda agent who is so coward that is hiding behind Pak flag....Put your real flag and do not be afraid .. We go easy on savages ..I can understand it is your day job and you are just doing your job in a place like this.:undecided::undecided: View attachment 880905

What a strong comeback by the 60 year old Arabized and Arab-obsessed grandpa sitting in Canada and not Iran.:lol:

You should start civilizing yourself and the Iranian Mullah's that rule you. I hear that there are widespread protests in Iran right now due to their murder of a 22 year old girl, now go focus on that, instead of bothering about the Saudi Arabian nuclear program and Saudi Arabian civil nuclear program.

BTW that photo is related to an computing conference in KSA.

On the other hand:

Revealed: Iran's 'clumsy' troll army pushed one million tweets in effort to destabilise region

Twitter releases extent of Tehran's Twitter activity, showing hundreds of accounts set up to spread regime's propaganda. But efforts were fairly crude and ineffective, analyst says


 

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What a strong comeback by the 60 year old grandpa.:lol:

You should start civilizing yourself and the Iranian Mullah's that rule you. I hear that there are widespread protests in Iran right now due to their murder of a 22 year old girl, now go focus on that, instead of bothering about the Saudi Arabian nuclear program and Saudi Arabian civil nuclear program.
Correction...you can not count properly I understand you are saudi!..I am 70 years old and will be around to ensure propaganda agents get exposed..!!
 

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I live fabulous life in Canada in a 55 acer ranch so do not worry about me..but you should try to find a real job and that does not mean pizza delivery!..:p:

Whatever, try to control your Arab-obsession. Whenever (once) KSA and Iran have cordial ties again, your likes will be praising them and singing songs of friendship. Maybe that will help cure your Arabophia as a partially Arabized person.;) Maybe they will give jobs to your people like other small GCC states already do (UAE) as well. l I hear that they pay way better than whatever they pay in Iran. No taxation either.
 

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Whoever wants to talk about the origin of Egyptian civilization, I will shoot him relentlessly
Whoever wants to falsify history, I will teach him what civilization and construction were like before they were even born in this world
 

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Iran and KSA both should have nukes, Iran paid the price just for having the program... Iran deserves it, and we need balance in ME, its time there is some power that challenge the dominance of Israel.
 

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Saudi Arabian Muslims want nuclear weapons to target Iranian Muslims. So religion doesn't come in to it.

I always thought of that. Pakistan may have been the only Muslim country to gain nuclear weapons that would NOT use it against other Muslim states.

States like Kuwait, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and even Turkey gaining nukes would, sadly, have it targeted against other Muslim states.


Even as Afghans behaving the way they are, no Pakistani would ever want to use weapons like those against them in case of a war.
 

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The Saudi path to nuclear weapons​

Posted on August 28, 2022 by beyondnuclearinternational

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Kingdom’s pursuit of nuclear power development should set off alarm bells


By Henry Sokolski

Iran’s nuclear program, oil, and human rights dominated Biden’s much-anticipated first presidential trip to the Middle East earlier this month. But there is one topic President Biden chose not to showcase during his visit with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman Al Saud—the Kingdom’s most recent interest in nuclear energy—and the nuclear weapons proliferation concerns that come with it.

Only weeks before Biden’s visit, Riyadh invited South Korea, Russia, and China to bid on the construction of two large power reactors. On that bid, Korea Electric Power Company (KEPCO) is the most likely winner. KEPCO has already built four reactors for Riyadh’s neighbor, the United Arab Emirates, and is the only vendor to bring a power reactor of its own design online in the Middle East. South Korea also is the only government to provide reliable, generous financing, free of political strings—something neither Moscow nor Beijing can credibly claim.

And then, there’s this: Any Korean sale would be covered by a generous 2011 South Korean nuclear cooperative agreement with Riyadh that explicitly authorizes the Saudis to enrich any uranium it might receive from Seoul. Under the agreement, Riyadh could enrich this material by up to 20 percent, without having to secure Seoul’s prior consent.

That should set off alarm bells.

Do the Saudis want a bomb?

In 2018, Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman announced that “if Iran developed a nuclear bomb, we will follow suit as soon as possible.” As if to prove the point, late in 2020, word leaked that the Saudis have been working secretly with the Chinese to mine and process Saudi uranium ore. These are steps toward enriching uranium—and a possible nuclear weapon program.

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What is the true nuclear agenda of Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman? (Photo: US Department of State/Wikimedia Commons)

Unlike the Emirates, which legally renounced enriching uranium or reprocessing spent fuel to separate plutonium, the Kingdom insists on retaining its “right” to enrich. Also, unlike most members of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Saudi Arabia refuses to allow intrusive inspections that might help the IAEA find covert nuclear weapons-related activities, if they exist, under a nuclear inspections addendum known as the Additional Protocol.

Saudi Arabia’s enrichment program and refusal to adopt the Additional Protocol, doubled with a possible permissive South Korean reactor sale, could spell trouble. South Korea currently makes its nuclear fuel assemblies using imported uranium, which mainly comes from Australia. This ore is controlled by Australia’s uranium export policy, which requires that the uranium be monitored by the IAEA and that materials derived from it not be retransferred to a third country without first securing Australia’s consent. Yet, if Seoul decides to pass Australian uranium on to Riyadh, the Saudis are free to enrich it up to 20 percent at any time without having to secure anyone’s approval. In addition, Riyadh could proceed to enrich this material without having to agree to intrusive IAEA inspections under the Additional Protocol, making it easier for Riyadh to enrich beyond 20 percent uranium 235 without anyone knowing.

Can Washington block the reactor export?

In Washington, the US nuclear industry understandably is miffed that Riyadh excluded Westinghouse from bidding on the Saudi reactors. Meanwhile, State Department officials say that KEPCO can’t sell Riyadh its APR-1400 reactor because it incorporates US nuclear technology that is property of Westinghouse. KEPCO, they insist, would first need to secure US Energy Department approval under US intangible technology transfer controls (known as Part 810 authorizations). This requirement, they argue, gives Washington the leverage it needs to impose nonproliferation conditions on South Korea’s reactor export to Riyadh.

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During his recent visit to Saudi Arabia and his meeting with Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman, US President Biden chose not to showcase the Kingdom’s most recent interest in nuclear energy. (Photo: Gage Skidmore/Creative Commons)

This sounds fine. But there’s a catch. South Korean officials insist that its APR-1400 design, which uses a Combustion Engineering data package that Westinghouse now owns, is entirely indigenous. Focusing on the matter of technology transfer authority also begs a bigger question: Does the Republic of Korea need Washington’s blessing to begin enriching uranium itself or to transfer enrichment technology to other countries, such as Saudi Arabia?

The short answer is no.

South Korea has always been free to enrich uranium and transfer uranium enrichment technology to other countries so long as the uranium it enriched or the enrichment technology it shipped wasn’t of US origin. America’s veto over South Korean enrichment only applies to uranium that comes from the United States. As I learned from a recent interview of the two top negotiators of the 2015 US-Republic of Korea civilian nuclear cooperation agreement, Seoul has always known this. Yet, South Korea asked that Washington explicitly grant it authority to enrich uranium in the 2015 agreement—something Washington has yet to grant. According to the negotiators, South Korean officials preferred to have political permission from Washington to do so, even though they did not legally need it.

South Korea and the United States have a choice

South Korea’s previous administration under President Moon Jae-in announced in 2021 that South Korea would not export reactors to countries that had not yet agreed to adopt the IAEA’s Additional Protocol. Is this pledge one that President Yoon Suk-yeol will uphold? Or will Yoon reverse this policy in his effort to go all out to secure the reactor sale to Riyadh?

Similarly, how committed is the Biden Administration to prevent Saudi Arabia from enriching uranium and reprocessing spent reactor fuel? Previous administrations have tried to keep Riyadh clear of such activities. Will Washington keep Seoul’s and Saudi Arabia’s feet to the fire on this or will the administration’s desire to close ranks with South Korea and Saudi Arabia push these nonproliferation concerns to the sidelines? Anyone interested in preventing the further spread of nuclear weapons in the Middle East should want to know the answers.

Henry Sokolski is the executive director of the Nonproliferation Policy Education Center in Arlington, Virginia, and author of Underestimated: Our Not So Peaceful Nuclear Future (2019). He served as deputy for nonproliferation policy in the office of the US secretary of defense during the George H.W. Bush administration.

This article was first published by The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists and is republished here with permission of the author.

The opinions expressed in articles by outside contributors and published on the Beyond Nuclear International website, are their own, and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of Beyond Nuclear. However, we try to offer a broad variety of viewpoints and perspectives as part of our mission “to educate and activate the public about the connections between nuclear power and nuclear weapons and the need to abandon both to safeguard our future”.

Headline photo of Riyadh Ministry of the Interior building, Saudi Arabia, by IMP1/Creative Commons.


If we forget the fact that KSA already has access to nuclear weapons, such news is entertaining.

Just one teeny weeny little problem with all of this:
How exactly are the saudis going to enrich anything,much less uranium to 20%[or more],when they have no enrichment capability?,and for that matter neither do the south koreans,at least not outside of the laboratory.
Not to mention that even if say the pakistanis supplied the saudis with samples of p1/p2 centrifuges,tho that would probably be much,much harder to do these days after the aq khan scandal.It would likely take at least a decade to master the basic technology,and perhaps another decade to come up with a design efficient enough to be capable of enriching the 20-odd tons of leu per year that a gigawatt class reactor requires.
 

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I always thought Nuclear tecnology is a good idea in the Arabian Gulf countries. Saudi Arabia and the GCC would have to put a basic Space telescope satellite on the moon before attempting to target other plants themselves. You can also learn a lot from the James Webb Space Telescope orbiting a million miles away centred on lunar orbit. Even the moon is so far that if there was a technical problem it would take so long to get there so not feasible and learn from past mistakes and get full transfer of these future technologies!!!
 

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