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The number zero was invented in Ancient Pakistan

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  1. AgNoStiC MuSliM

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    Stick to the topic folks.

    Post deletion will follow if this starts becoming another ancient history thread.
     
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    Some more clarification on Brahmagupta:

    Brahmagupta, whose father was Jisnugupta, wrote important works on mathematics and astronomy. In particular he wrote Brahmasphutasiddhanta (The Opening of the Universe), in 628. The work was written in 25 chapters and Brahmagupta tells us in the text that he wrote it at Bhillamala which today is the city of Bhinmal. This was the capital of the lands ruled by the Gurjara dynasty.

    Brahmagupta became the head of the astronomical observatory at Ujjain which was the foremost mathematical centre of ancient India at this time. Outstanding mathematicians such as Varahamihira had worked there and built up a strong school of mathematical astronomy.

    Brahmagupta biography
     
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    Please stop leeching ancient Indian achievements!

    On the one hand many of you guys are happy disparaging all the achievements before Islam and attributing all scientific progress to Islam, trying to claim credit and reflected glory for what Arabs achieved at a certain period based on same faith.

    Then you start claiming the achievements of Pre-Islamic Hindu scholars on the basis of current geography! Some hypocrisy this!
     
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    I've made amends to my previous posts providing solid links to Brahmagupta being born in Multan, today's Pakistan, thereby making him part of Ancient Pakistan's heritage.

    You'll just have to stop posting nonsense, I can't answer all of you at once.
     
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    You have ONE source in French language (not that I have anything against the French), another "source" from "Blogspot.com".

    Aren't you ashamed to call these things sources?

    And even if, by the smallest chance, he was born in Multan, the number zero was STILL invented in India because he studied and wrote his findings in India.

    And apart from all of that, Brahmagupta was a Hindu, and therfore part of the Ancient Indian Civilization, so he is still an Indian.
     
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    • Even as per your source
      "Born in 598 in the north-west India"
     
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    Repeating as you seem to have missed the post.

    That makes him 100% Indian and of course he was a Hindu.
     
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    Same old agenda of cramming the term "India" into everything Pakistan with an intent of misleading people, discrediting Pakistanis, and promoting India.
    He was born in Multan, Indus Valley, Why use a colonial era term for the region?
     
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    With all due respect sir, are you blind? Didn't you see the numerous and highly credible sources citing that he either wrote the book in India and/or was born in India?

    Do you simply pretend that those sources do not exist, or do you have some supernatural source of information that we do not know of.
     
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    A source mentioned by a Think Tank member hosted on blogspot containing only 1 post and has Kiss Guru to give the claim company on that blog - do such sources merit any importance



    Absolute Astronomy
     
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    The reason, presumably, why he is somtimes (and very, very rarely) cited to have been born in Multan, is because his mathematical work was translated by the Persian scholar Alberuni who was employed at the court of Mehmud of Ghazni, who in turn had conquered Multan.
     
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    No one is leeching anythign from India - ancient India was a region, not a nation, and as a region, the lands and peoples inhabiting Pakistan were part of it.

    We are only trying to ensure that just becasue 'Hindustan' chose the official name 'India', the history of the peoples and lands comprising Pakistan is not usurped by India under the guise of 'ancient India'.
     
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    It is funny how the perception of history changes from thread to thread. In one thread (IVC) history is being claimed on the basis of geographical location ignoring cultural heritage or legacy. In another thread (Tipu Sultan), history is being claimed purely on the basis of legacy, a religious one at that, ignoring geography. Here, history is being claimed on some basis, which is still not clear, but it is neither on geography nor on legacy.

    Its like heads I win, tails you loose.

    Other than that, pretty informative thread.
     
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    I can't speak for the others, but unless it occurred on the lands comprising Pakistan, I have no interest in 'claiming it'. I believe the attempt on this thread as well is to stake a claim to the 'discovery' of the Zero by trying to determine whether the discovery took place on lands comprising Pakistan or India.

    My own knowledge about this is extremely limited which is why I am largely staying on the sidelines, and hoping to learn more by reading the arguments from both sides.

    Generalization such as yours are useless and wrong. If you feel a particular member has made arguments/comments or taken positions that are contradictory, make your case to that particular member, don't lump everyone else in.
     
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    IVC is being claimed on the basis of Pakistanis being native to Indus Valley and the civilisation is part of the Pakistani identity and history.
    Very little is known about IVC culture, language or religion, but its ignorant to claim that Buddhism and Hinduism didnt change the culture of Indus Valley people in the same way Islam changed their culture around 8th century AD.

    As for Tipu Sultan, nobody claimed he was a Pakistani ancestor.

    There is more to Pakistani identity than just 'geographical location'. If you have to make such mindless claims please also explain how Pakistanis are not native to the Indus Valley.
     
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